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WJ is grand cherokee i believe..

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I would find a high pinion d30 at least.
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Why would you say that?
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high pinion is stronger...
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what do they make hp 30s on?
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how is it stronger?

One of the guys I wheel with has a lp dana 30 in his tj, lifted with 35 and a locker. Even with a heavy foot he has never had a problem with it.
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think about the cut and rotation of the ring and pinion... they run low pinions in the rear and high pinions in the front for best strength as far as hp vs lp

ford developed the HP axle with Dana I think i read. a HP front turns the same way as a LP rear...

its all on how you land on the axle and they vehicle setup... its like anything else some people break them some dont
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what do they make hp 30s on?
TJs/XJs/MJs some of those might have a mixed LP in some years. some years the HP had vacuum disconnect...
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TJs/XJs/MJs some of those might have a mixed LP in some years. some years the HP had vacuum disconnect...
I know most if not all tjs are LP.
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really? for some reason i thought there were 3 different jeeps that had high pinion
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really? for some reason i thought there were 3 different jeeps that had high pinion
YJ's did.
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yeah thats it. i read it on a site for when i was trying to find my axle. YJ is leaf spring though...
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You need to finish welding all the way around the edge of the tabs, as seen in this picture. If not, they will start to tear right off of the housing.
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even with the welds on the inside and outside of the three edges?
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D30's are still weak for a Ranger. And you'll have a greater driveshaft angle with an LP axle. For a lifted vehicle a HP is better for that alone. On stock it doesn't matter so much, but when you push it up there it becomes more of an issues. Yes, the ring and pinion strength is enhanced with the HP configuration in the front particularly. In the rear, the longer driveshaft is less of an angle hit with low pinion.

You don't think Jeep designed the TJ with high lift in mind do you? No, the LP axle was a manufacturing decision more than a design decision I'm sure.

I absolutely would not put a D30 in the front of any Ranger that was going to be thrashed. Some guys who have are re-evaluating it for several reasons.

Jeeps, don't forget, are lighter than Rangers. Less sprung weight.

People argue all day that, "I know someone with a D30 who does so-and-so."

I know people who smoked all their lives and lived to be 90. I know more who ended up on oxygen in late life, and/or with emphysema and cancer.

Play the odds -- D30 is weaker than a D44. It's the easy way out but it's not a good solution no matter how you argue it. You can truss a D30 and buy alloy axles and so forth but by then you might as well have gotten a better axle to begin with.

My .02 and with that I'll scoot because I'm simply not engaging and discussion for which, as a famous television show used to say: "The proof is out there..."
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even with the welds on the inside and outside of the three edges?

yes..and when you can bevel the metal..grind like a 45 degree angle were the weld is going to lay..helps penetrate more which means stronger welds
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D30's are still weak for a Ranger. And you'll have a greater driveshaft angle with an LP axle. For a lifted vehicle a HP is better for that alone. On stock it doesn't matter so much, but when you push it up there it becomes more of an issues. Yes, the ring and pinion strength is enhanced with the HP configuration in the front particularly. In the rear, the longer driveshaft is less of an angle hit with low pinion.

You don't think Jeep designed the TJ with high lift in mind do you? No, the LP axle was a manufacturing decision more than a design decision I'm sure.

I absolutely would not put a D30 in the front of any Ranger that was going to be thrashed. Some guys who have are re-evaluating it for several reasons.

Jeeps, don't forget, are lighter than Rangers. Less sprung weight.

People argue all day that, "I know someone with a D30 who does so-and-so."

I know people who smoked all their lives and lived to be 90. I know more who ended up on oxygen in late life, and/or with emphysema and cancer.

Play the odds -- D30 is weaker than a D44. It's the easy way out but it's not a good solution no matter how you argue it. You can truss a D30 and buy alloy axles and so forth but by then you might as well have gotten a better axle to begin with.

My .02 and with that I'll scoot because I'm simply not engaging and discussion for which, as a famous television show used to say: "The proof is out there..."
x2 this guy seems to know what hes talkin about i hang out with a buch of yota guys that are even lighter than jeeps and wouldnt even put 44s let alone a 30 under it
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yea but a front 60 can get kinda pricey
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that and IMO on 35s.. with the little engine we have if you can hurt a D60 you should find a new hobby lol

thats the motto i'm going to live by when i get done
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yea but a front 60 can get kinda pricey
very true or u can go to a pick and pull and get one for a couple hundred
and if u can hurt a 60 then go to a rockwell and if u hurt that just give up theres no hope
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naw... if you manage to mess up a 60 you should stop there.. unless your jumping it and w/e

a 4.0 has no chance of turning rocks haha
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very true or u can go to a pick and pull and get one for a couple hundred
and if u can hurt a 60 then go to a rockwell and if u hurt that just give up theres no hope

#1....pick-n-pull's KNOW what they have. They usually pull the D60s and put them on axle racks.
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theres a place south of denver, my friends know the owner.. any axle for $100

get the LP D44 setup, cruise down and hopefully have the first fully-ish 1 ton ranger on here heh
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theres a place south of denver, my friends know the owner.. any axle for $100

get the LP D44 setup, cruise down and hopefully have the first fully-ish 1 ton ranger on here heh
Great for your friends. And for the rest of the natural 4x4'in world Front D60s go for $800+ if not closer to $1200 for one in good shape.

That's why I chose a D44. I got my D44 and a 9" Rear for $225 bucks. And the guy cut it off the Bronco for me. Haha...

Just seems like for what I'm going to be doing a D44 with $1k worth of upgrades seemed like a better option then a stock D60.
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D60 front...never. Do you realize how much ground clearence that thing takes. I wouldn't wheel anything less than 42 or 44 inch tires on a 60.

A full width 44 is the best bet for a ranger. In all reality a D30 is weaker than a 40, mostly due to the size of the R/P. The axle shafts themselves are pretty much the same dia and a set of alloys will go a long way.

Still best to build a 44. I'm on a D30 in the front of my jeep but I don't plan to build that. It is just a stepping stone.
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