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I gave them money cause i wanted to help the forum out. I wanted a place to go and learn about Rangers. Sure the perks are nice but thats not the sole reason i contributed...

Also i dont think anyone should be banned for asking questions. Oh wait but our government tries to do it, but everyone knows its wrong but they still do it.
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I would hate to see my almost "twin" leave
LOL!!! im not goin anywhere...(hopefully) LOL!!!

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We should contribute to help the forum, not because of what we get from it. The perks are just a "thank you" and aren't required. Although I completely see your point, especially if you contribute only to get those perks.
I didnt do it for the perks though it was nice, but its the principle of the matter.

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Whether your motivation is the perks or not I think it's the idea of being promised something and not having that person follow through with the promise...
excatly!! FREAKIN SMART WOMEN!!!!

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I gave them money cause i wanted to help the forum out. I wanted a place to go and learn about Rangers. Sure the perks are nice but thats not the sole reason i contributed...

Also i dont think anyone should be banned for asking questions. Oh wait but our government tries to do it, but everyone knows its wrong but they still do it.
TOTAL AGREEMENT!! DING DING!! LOL
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i look at the $15 or whatever i pay a year as payment for all the friends ive made on here (ok enough with the sob story)

but...can i have my big avatar back? ill trade you my PM box for the avatar...
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i look at the $15 or whatever i pay a year as payment for all the friends ive made on here (ok enough with the sob story)

but...can i have my big avatar back? ill trade you my PM box for the avatar...
LOL!! you silly ******!!
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I will have to agree as a contributer.. But then again, us giving our money to the site never ment we have any say so in what goes on..
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I will have to agree as a contributer.. But then again, us giving our money to the site never ment we have any say so in what goes on..
I agree and thats a good point many don't realize. But it would'a been nice for them to say HEY this is what we're gonna do so those who paid will still have those therin said "perks" until your renewale comes about. I just like to keep this fair and equal. I know rick bought this site with the intentions of makeing money. That is what makes the world go round and im not knocking him for that, It's just like i stated above though...
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I paid specifically for the avatar.. Other sites i contribute for the vendor giveaways and such.
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I asked this question before in another thread that you asked for questions to be asked and alot were answered expect for mine. I didnt wanna PM you because this is a public forum and i feel that it has to do with everyone...lol. I really hope this thread doesn't get closed like every other one has been. My purpose here is NOT to cause any trouble or ripples between me and anyone on here. But anyways heres my point and question!! LOL!

OK.....lets say you came into a dealer and i was goin to sell you a car/truck. I told you that you could have this brand new car/truck for $100/mth @ 0%apr for the 60mnths. Of course you'd be all over it as anyone would be!! SO now you've just gotten me paid for this vehicle that pay's for my employee's,lights, ect...NOW i come back a few mnths later and say "weeeeellllll, remember that deal we made? well now its gonna be $900/mth @12.9%APR for 84mths and there's nothing you can do about it!! WOW RIGHT!!?? So would you have bought that new car/truck to begin with if i had told you that up front!!?? ok now the point of this story!!

thats how the contributors (the ones that pay money here) were done!! We paid money and were told this is what you get for it. Then it was stripped away with no notice that I recieved or prior warning. Now as you can see on the left i have conformed to the new avatar size and yes i was FORCED because it was removed due to the new site outlay. I have no big issues over the different avatar size or smaller pm box, not like i need it anyways, but its the fact that we contributors (the ones that pay money here) were told that we would receive this service for the extra lil pymnt from our end. So do you kinda see why/where this is goin?

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Josh,

If I was that dealer I would certainly feel some obligation to refund you.

So here is what I am going to do for you and everyone that takes issue with the avatar changes - upgrades.

*posting this for transparency*

1) effective immediately your subscriber group is discontinued. A new subscriber group has been created, more stream lined and more inline with the features and functionality I feel should be here.

I have scaled back decals and the pm box space on the new group. All subscribers who wish NOT to renew should cancel immediately via paypal.

2) Josh, I am willing to refund you $1.70 and terminate your subscriber account. You may then re subscribe with your refunded money if you wish to do so.

I hope you find this to be a fair and reasonable response to your concerns.

To answer some of the questions, some of the changes included PM box increase, additional style, new custom coded attachment page, facebook addition, decals, Ranger vehicle posting form for better search etc.

I truly see the error in my ways and believe I should refocus, scale back the changes and consider the time, development a loss. I think the new Sub group will certainly be the clean slate that was needed and possibly what should have been used from the beginning.

Lord Of War, I understand youre disgruntled as well as the avatar was an important reason you paid your money to Christian. That is why I am willing to refund you $1.87 from my own pocket, I did not see any of the funds you sent Christian. I hope you feel this is a fair compromise and perhaps in the future you will resubscribe as I will cancel your sub once I refund you.

99ranger4x4, I see you only subscribed because of the large avatar and your contribution had nothing to do with in general supporting the site. I would be happy to refund you $2.33.

I am not asking any of you to return the decals Christian may or may not have sent you. Consider them a freebie at this stage.

All contributions I have seen in the past and future certainly will make R/F a better place as we will add more perks etc.

Feel free to PM me your paypal email addy and I will get that money out to you, all refunds though will result in your current subscriber account being closed.
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instead of offering to re-fund the money, and close the accounts, is it possible just to make the avatars bigger? Doesnt even have to be as big as before, just a little bit bigger? this is the main thing people have an issue with.. Just saying people will be alot happier with bigger avatars than $2 tops in refunds..
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instead of offering to re-fund the money, and close the accounts, is it possible just to make the avatars bigger? Doesnt even have to be as big as before, just a little bit bigger? this is the main thing people have an issue with.. Just saying people will be alot happier with bigger avatars than $2 tops in refunds..
I will look at the avatar sizing on the new subscriber group.

I wont be closing their accounts on refund, I will be dissolving their subscriber status, their accounts will continue to function minus any subscriber features.

They will then have the option to renew.
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Gotcha.. THanks for looking into the avatar sizing.. Like i said that in its self will make alot of people happy.
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Josh,

If I was that dealer I would certainly feel some obligation to refund you.

So here is what I am going to do for you and everyone that takes issue with the avatar changes - upgrades.

*posting this for transparency*

1) effective immediately your subscriber group is discontinued. A new subscriber group has been created, more stream lined and more inline with the features and functionality I feel should be here.

I have scaled back decals and the pm box space on the new group. All subscribers who wish NOT to renew should cancel immediately via paypal.

2) Josh, I am willing to refund you $1.70 and terminate your subscriber account. You may then re subscribe with your refunded money if you wish to do so.

I hope you find this to be a fair and reasonable response to your concerns.

To answer some of the questions, some of the changes included PM box increase, additional style, new custom coded attachment page, facebook addition, decals, Ranger vehicle posting form for better search etc.

I truly see the error in my ways and believe I should refocus, scale back the changes and consider the time, development a loss. I think the new Sub group will certainly be the clean slate that was needed and possibly what should have been used from the beginning.

Lord Of War, I understand youre disgruntled as well as the avatar was an important reason you paid your money to Christian. That is why I am willing to refund you $1.87 from my own pocket, I did not see any of the funds you sent Christian. I hope you feel this is a fair compromise and perhaps in the future you will resubscribe as I will cancel your sub once I refund you.

99ranger4x4, I see you only subscribed because of the large avatar and your contribution had nothing to do with in general supporting the site. I would be happy to refund you $2.33.

I am not asking any of you to return the decals Christian may or may not have sent you. Consider them a freebie at this stage.

All contributions I have seen in the past and future certainly will make R/F a better place as we will add more perks etc.

Feel free to PM me your paypal email addy and I will get that money out to you, all refunds though will result in your current subscriber account being closed.
Thank you rick for couteous professionalism!! I realize that this site may take may different directions in the future for the sake of making money, and for that i understand. It would just be a professional coutersy to let the contributors know whats goin to happen weather we like it or not...LOL!!! I also realize that contrtibutors DO NOT RUN THIS SITE!! There again my intensions of posting this was not to call anyone out or run there name in the mud. I love this site though its not my livelyhood, but i love the friends and great relationships i have made since i have been here. I look forward to being a contributor this site as long as the guidelines are followed in the protection of the members also, and not just whatever. I have the upmost respect for the admins and mods and would NEVER want there job!! LOL!!! Once again THANK YOU and look forward to to a long healthy relationship with this site!!
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Thank you rick for couteous professionalism!! I realize that this site may take may different directions in the future for the sake of making money, and for that i understand. It would just be a professional coutersy to let the contributors know whats goin to happen weather we like it or not...LOL!!! I also realize that contrtibutors DO NOT RUN THIS SITE!! There again my intensions of posting this was not to call anyone out or run there name in the mud. I love this site though its not my livelyhood, but i love the friends and great relationships i have made since i have been here. I look forward to being a contributor this site as long as the guidelines are followed in the protection of the members also, and not just whatever. I have the upmost respect for the admins and mods and would NEVER want there job!! LOL!!! Once again THANK YOU and look forward to to a long healthy relationship with this site!!
OOPS!! sorry just realized dustin was still logged in on my computer.....sorry for the error!!
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no worries, Josh -- we knew Dustin wouldn't write that! LOL
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no worries, Josh -- we knew Dustin wouldn't write that! LOL
LMAO!!!!
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i look at the $15 or whatever i pay a year as payment for all the friends ive made on here (ok enough with the sob story)

but...can i have my big avatar back? ill trade you my PM box for the avatar...
I completely agree this small avatar thing is enoying
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One last question rick. Do these refunds apply to everyone that falls into this catagory?
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1.50 refunds seriously haha
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One last question rick. Do these refunds apply to everyone that falls into this catagory?
I guess we can take it on a case by case basis.

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1.50 refunds seriously haha
Had I said tough luck I am sure I would have been raked across the coals. LOL
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IMO... not close enough... this is R-F... not Ranger Based Vehicle Forum, not Ford Trucks & SUV Forums....
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I don't have a rake, and don't make a habit of standing around glowing coalbeds, but just for the sake of argument, rick... since my post is the one that suggested it in this thread, what is the option on my "case by case" basis? ...with an account that expires in a year and a half, not in a month or two?
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I don't have a rake, and don't make a habit of standing around glowing coalbeds, but just for the sake of argument, rick... since my post is the one that suggested it in this thread, what is the option on my "case by case" basis? ...with an account that expires in a year and a half, not in a month or two?
turbo

I guess in this instance that changes things, that is a ton of support and I am sure Christian appreciated.

First off, I would say send me your receipt for payment to R/F.
Second, I would suggest you file a non receipt via your credit card or paypal (dispute it)

Shoot me a pm, let me know how it goes from there and I am sure we can get it sorted.

I hope that helps :)

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I don't know that it helps, as I wasn't seeking any help.

It did answer the question, though... and wasn't entirely different than the answer I was expecting.

as a business man, I'm sure you know that a) receipts were not generated for these purchases, and b) that you cannot do a chargeback after 30 days from the original purchase. I assume, by proposing two impossible avenues of approach, what you're really saying is that folks in my situation would not be getting a refund. appreciate your honesty, circumspect though it may be.

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as a business man, I'm sure you know that a) receipts were not generated for these purchases, and b) that you cannot do a chargeback after 30 days from the original purchase. I assume, by proposing two impossible avenues of approach, what you're really saying is that folks in my situation would not be getting a refund. appreciate your honesty, circumspect though it may be.
I am not sure how you paid, the system doesn't tell me that and I didn't look when you paid, only when it expired.

I only know that there are 2 ways to purchase a subscription on R/F right now. 1 is via paypal which always has receipts. 2 is via money order which you are given a receipt.

During times like this, it does seem that my responses do need to be cautious :)

Anyhow, with regards to the original question which I believe I have answered. Anyone who has concerns which follow the course of this thread, please PM me and we can go from there, I am closing the thread.
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