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My "member review": Shady.

Talked with mark about getting the rollpan that scott gave to him, and he changed his story and put a price tag on the pan(CLue #1).Decided he'd make a buck I suppose. Well I sold the pan that was on my truck to make room for this pan, cause mark told me it was a compound curve rollpan, to match the curve of the tailgate. It wasnt. He deceived me and when i bought it up his solution was that he didn't want it back, it was my problem, that he didnt have a use for the rollpan so he wasnt going to refund my money, he didnt care about the fact that he bs-ed the item description. (Clue #2). The rollpan is NOT a compound curve rollpan like I've been wanting, instead it's a straight pan, no curve at all. What good does this do me? I had a pan just like it but sold it for this "compound curve" pan. So instead I'm out 50 bucks that i couldve put towards a curved rollpan.

OBVIOUS clue #3: Be warned potential buyers, he openly admitted to me he's not going to disclose any information about the frame being cracked on the 98, which he plans to sell. He said he's going to play ignorant/stupid or however you want to describe it, with a "what do you mean the frame is cracked????" response if/when the buyer discovers the crack.

I used to consider this member as a buddy of mine. That's not the case anymore. I really hate to post all this, but maybe it'll influece him the next time he decides to sell any parts, or the truck, or at least maybe members will have a little more caution than I did. Mark refuses to refund my 50 bucks for this rollpan that is not curved as he told me. I realize I can sell the pan, and now I plan on it, but I would've preferred to not have to deal with it at all.
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Wow, he has been on here for a long time. I didn't see this coming....
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Me neither. I've known him for a year or 2 as well, talked on aim, hung out at a meet, etc.

I can sell the rollpan but i dont know why I should have to do it, he could've at least told me what it REALLY was and then sold it to someone else. Its a waste of my time and money.
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Me neither. I've known him for a year or 2 as well, talked on aim, hung out at a meet, etc.

I can sell the rollpan but i dont know why I should have to do it, he could've at least told me what it REALLY was and then sold it to someone else. Its a waste of my time and money.
Waste of time and money? I would like for you to find a better deal I messed up on the compound curve part and was mis informed It was never my intention to rip you off.

How I got the pan was never any of your buisness scott gave me the pan to do whatever with in his own words so if it was given to me to bad dont expect me to just give it to you ive only known you what a year and met you once? I have know scott since 2003 and met him over a dozen times over the years no wonder he would give it to me as a friend.

You never had to pay shipping or gas to drive and pick it up I basically delivered it to you off the highway even though you had to wait lets see you get a pan shipped to you that wont get damaged or cheaply to you for under 100 bucks.

I want you to remove your info you have posted in your first post about my 98 that has nothing to do with situation remove it or I will have the mods remove it

I also want to know why this information is posted on here, there was never a classfied for this item posted on this site. Just remember you contacted me asking to sell the pan I never asked or begged you to buy it. You looked at the pan before i got money then i received it.

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Mark, its still a member review on a "transaction", regardless of whether it was listed in the classifieds at all.

Waste of my time is correct, here I had been waiting on this free compound curve rollpan, and the price didnt go to 60 bucks until thursday or friday of this past week. Thats when you changed your mind and decided it wasn't going to be passed on, free. I couldve put that 50 bucks towards a grant kustoms pan that Illusive Fabrications had on sale for less than 100 bucks not long ago, but I thought I just had to pick up this compound curve pan for free, so I passed on that sale.

Have a mod remove it. Its only part of my reasoning to support the conclusion of my review. I think it is fair, seeing as to how it supports my conclusion. If a mod elects to remove it, so be it. Until then, there it is.

I HAD a nice pan before hand but got rid of it for the compound curve pan. THEN you argued with me about it, sayin it was a compound curve pan and refused to work towards any solution other than me dealing with it myself. I would not have had a problem, and I said i could return it to you, as early as this weekend, while I am up at the lake. Instead you told me you wanted nothing to do with the pan.

I find it extremely hypocritical that you would rip dan for contemplating selling the clear corners that 96violet3.0 gave him, then scott gave you the pan, and you sell it. You even told me he gave it to you, then you told me you'd give it to me, and then when it comes to time for me to get it, the price goes up.

Also, I was around the lake more than once and never coudl get ahold of you to pick the pan up myself. Shipping has nothing to do with my review.

I posted the member review, and i posted my reasons for that review. I'm not going to argue over the reasons, you won't change my mind.
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if you guys met up to give him the roll pan you should of paid then -- so you could of been hey this isnt what i want sorry for the time wasted no thanks!

you didnt ask for pics? i mean yea take a friends word for it but i always ask for pics
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Mark, its still a member review on a "transaction", regardless of whether it was listed in the classifieds at all.

Waste of my time is correct, here I had been waiting on this free compound curve rollpan, and the price didnt go to 60 bucks until there was a chance I was gonig to get it. Thats when you changed your mind and decided it wasn't going to be passed on. I couldve put that 50 bucks towards a grant kustoms pan that Illusive Fabrications had on sale for less than 100 bucks.

Have a mod remove it.

I HAD a nice pan before hand but got rid of it for the compound curve pan. THEN you argued with me about it, sayin it was a compound curve pan and refused to work towards any solution other than me dealing with it myself.

I find it extremely hypocritical that you would rip dan for contemplating selling the clear corners that 96violet3.0 gave him, then scott gave you the pan, and you sell it. You even told me he gave it to you, then you told me you'd give it to me, and then when it comes to time for me to get it, the price goes up.

Also, I was around the lake more than once and never coudl get ahold of you to pick the pan up myself. Shipping has nothing to do with my review.

I posted the member review, and i posted my reasons for that review. I'm not going to argue over the reasons, you won't change my mind.
I never said i was going to give it to you and I never begged you to buy it. I never told you to sell your other rollpan just to buy mine I was going to sell it to the other guy but had no time to do the actual shipping so you sold him yours and said you would buy mine.

Shipping has all to do with your review again lets find a price on the pan you want for 50 bucks.

It was my never my intention to rip you off but when I wake up to several pm's and text messages saying basically "screw you, you ripped me off" What makes you think I want to deal with that go on slam me all you want Every person I have met on here knows Im not a shady guy and honest.

You just want your money back to pay for your court costs because you got an underage drinking ticket friday night at the meet.
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You just want your money back to pay for your court costs because you got an underage drinking ticket friday night at the meet.
Ohhhh BURRRRRNNNN. Not.

Yeah, I drank underage everyone. I broke the law. It happens, and I guarantee many people on here have done the same. I was not drunk, nor loud, nor disruptive whatsoever. I was casually drinking quietly at 2am when the Park officer decided to go around and check on all campsites. Does this have anything to do with the member review? Lol NO. So be it, I drank underage. I can understand an underage ticket if I were loud and disruptive, or drunk, or in a open public place. But given the situation, I'm not exactly worried about it, nor am I ashamed. It happens, it is not relevant to this thread at all, if you'd like we can open another thread to discuss it? I don't see what the point of it is though?

No, I dont want my money back for the court costs, i'm writing a check for the costs, I'm not hurting for money Mark, I just hate the fact you had to bs me, then you elected to "stick me with it" instead of just letting me return it for the 50 bucks.

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I never said i was going to give it to you and I never begged you to buy it. I never told you to sell your other rollpan just to buy mine I was going to sell it to the other guy but had no time to do the actual shipping so you sold him yours and said you would buy mine.

It was my never my intention to rip you off but when I wake up to several pm's and text messages saying basically "screw you, you ripped me off" What makes you think I want to deal with that go on slam me all you want Every person I have met on here knows Im not a shady guy and honest.
1. I wish I could save AIM conversations. When you told me about the pan you told me scott gave it to you for free, and you said I could have it for fifty bucks. THEN you said I could have it for free, that you'd pass it on since you werent using it. I know for a fact this was the case... if only I had saved the conversation for some reason.

2. wake up to several PM's and texts? I PMed you one message which was EXTREMELY polite, just stating that I checked and the pan is not curved, and I'd like to bring it bak to you for the 50 bucks. Then you texted me telling me I was wrong adn that the pan was curved. This is when I replied saying that it was BS. Slam you? Ha What a waste of time. I have not slammed you. I've just posted about our transaction, and my member review.
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You just want your money back to pay for your court costs because you got an underage drinking ticket friday night at the meet.
As you pointed out... Some of his comments have nothing to do with the roll pan, and neither does this....
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that rollpan is not a compound curve rollpan... i didnt think it looked like it was when i bought it, so i went home and checked it out, it is not the compound curve rollpan like you said.

I'd like to bring it back to you and get my 50 bucks back.

I might be up that way on saturday, what are you doing saturday?
Here is that PM that you woke up to. Did I say you ripped me off? No. I didnt say you ripped me off until you refused to figure something out, due to the fact the pan was not curved as you told me.
Mark I wasnt even suspicious until you talked about your 98 on sunday, and selling it like that. It was then that I became suspicious. Then I checked the pan out and sure enough.. it wasnt what you said it was.
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Lol I never said i was going to give it to you, I dont know where you made that up or got that but it was always $60 bucks since I was basically delivering it to you.

Yes I got the pan for free, thats really none of your business how I got the pan but whatever I'm already planning on sending Scott half of what I sold it for. He gave it to me because he could not sell it and basically to do whatever with go on ask him I spoke to him last night again and those were his words and I do have the conversation saved.

Yes I told you i didn't get it free but that was a story I did make up because it was truly none of your business.

Your the reason why I dont sell stuff to people off the internet in fear of them *****ing saying I ripped them off Im glad I never pulled the radio out to sell to you either because you would find a way saying I ripped you off or it wasnt what you expected.

I tried being a nice guy but sell the pan and buy another your attitude towards the situation saying I ripped you off discouraged me to even deal with you again and take the pan back, your words were harsh and I never forced you to buy it.
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Your the reason why I dont sell stuff to people off the internet in fear of them *****ing saying I ripped them off Im glad I never pulled the radio out to sell to you either because you would find a way saying I ripped you off or it wasnt what you expected.

I tried being a nice guy but sell the pan and buy another your attitude towards the situation saying I ripped you off discouraged me to even deal with you again and take the pan back, your words were harsh and I never forced you to buy it.
Open up a member review about me then..Maybe some of the members I've bought from and sold to will post reviews on me. I guarantee there isn't any problem with any of them.

It doesnt bother me if i'm the reason you dont sell stuff, I mean, if you had had an accurate description of the pan, AND/OR offered to take it back and admit there was an error with the description, this thread wouldnt exist, this situation wouldnt exist. I wouldn't have *****ed about the radio, as long as your desciption was accurate.

And you bring up the whole free thing again. Yes, Mark, you told me I could have it for free. I really really wish I had the IM conversation. You know it, I know it. Its irrelevant anymore though. And also, if it is not my business regarding you getting the pan for free, then why did you mingle in Dan's business and b***h at him about the clear corners he thought about selling, which were given to him. Either way it's hypocritical.

This isnt a pissing match. Its a member review. I have posted my review, and supporting reasons for my review.
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lol k

Enjoy the pan.
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As you pointed out... Some of his comments have nothing to do with the roll pan, and neither does this....
X2 Way to step to his low!
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You guys, the reason I posted about the frame, like it or not, was because it supports my member review. When he was talking about selling it I thought to myself it was a shady move. Well I got home, the pan wasn't a compound curve pan, and I let mark know, and he was not willing to even let me drive up and return it, while I'm up that way. And his story about the pan had changed a few times as well. So.... though you call it taking the low road Roach, I viewed the mention about the frame as part of the supporting reasons behind the whole review. If a mod deems that it shouldnt be mentioned they can edit the post or delete the whole thread, but I wont let pressure from other people influence me enough to change my opinion.

Just an FYI..I wouldnt have a problem if I had paid 50 bucks for at least the compound curved pan. Its the fact that it wasnt the curved pan like he said, and he was not willing to just refund my money.



Thanks for the pan.
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You guys, the reason I posted about the frame, like it or not, was because it supports my member review. When he was talking about selling it I thought to myself it was a shady move. Well I got home, the pan wasn't a compound curve pan, and I let mark know, and he was not willing to even let me drive up and return it, while I'm up that way. And his story about the pan had changed a few times as well. So.... though you call it taking the low road Roach, I viewed the mention about the frame as part of the supporting reasons behind the whole review.

Just an FYI..I wouldn't have a problem if I had paid 50 bucks for at least the compound curved pan. Its the fact that it wasn't the curved pan like he said, and he was not willing to just refund my money.
I know where you are coming from but that is a totally different topic. What he did was a totally ***** move and you didn't need to "support" it with showing how shady he is in selling his truck.
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Fred if I was honestly trying to rip you off on purpose do you think I would purposely mention that stuff to give away that Im a shady person? No

I thought scott told me it had the compound curve, I never knew he made a thread when he first got it I messed up

Either way you still got a deal I never forced you to buy it or give it to you for free.

Its the fact that you harassed me on aim, leaving shady away messages, shady text messages and even having your friend josh harass me online is the fact i wont deal with you.
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Me neither. I've known him for a year or 2 as well, talked on aim, hung out at a meet, etc.

I can sell the rollpan but i dont know why I should have to do it, he could've at least told me what it REALLY was and then sold it to someone else. Its a waste of my time and money.
So.. you picked up this roll pan and didn't check it out to see if had this ' curve ' to it?
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So.. you picked up this roll pan and didn't check it out to see if had this ' curve ' to it?
Oh he picked it up and looked at it for about a minute before the words "ok" came out of his mouth and then proceeded to hand me the money.

I was in no rush to get rid of the pan and run, i stopped and bull****ted with him for 10 mins let him look at it then he paid
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So.. you picked up this roll pan and didn't check it out to see if had this ' curve ' to it?
I looked at it, and wasnt sure, I wanted to take it home and slap it on the truck to see. It didnt look like it, but I just wasn't sure.. I just didnt think I'd have a problem returning it..

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I thought scott told me it had the compound curve, I never knew he made a thread when he first got it I messed up

Its the fact that you harassed me on aim, leaving shady away messages, shady text messages and even having your friend josh harass me online is the fact i wont deal with you.
See you could've admitted it may have been a mistake, but instead you insisted that it was curved, even after I offered pictures.

I didnt harrass you on aim, I IMed you asking "wtf is up". There was nothing shady about my away message or text messages, how were they shady? Josh IMed you about it after I was telling him about the situation.. I don't know how he harrassed you, I dont knwo what he said to you. However, I do recall hearing Trepaul and others mention you and yoru friends harrassing them on AIM, and I witness it in posts all the time as well.
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Anyways, that's my member review. And if anyone has any problem with anythign I have said or mentioned, feel free to PM me. Otherwise this thread will just go into the archives as another pointless thread of endless argueing.
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This sounds like a real shame. One member assuming a stage 5 member would be knowledgeable enough to sell what he had and then to either not know or insist something otherwise IMO is borderline deceiving. Regardless of how mark got it, he should it under false pretenses and if he had said I dunno what is is but for $50 you can have it and figure it out yourself, that would have been legit. It would seem as if mentioning the frame was a little not-important to the review at hand, but none-the-less it was the fact that mark keeps saying he did not force you to buy it, that line means nothing and makes no sense. I am not here to argue with anyone or take sides but to offer my 3rd party opinion on the pan transaction. Sucks that it ended up this way.
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I looked at it, and wasnt sure, I wanted to take it home and slap it on the truck to see. It didnt look like it, but I just wasn't sure.. I just didnt think I'd have a problem returning it..



See you could've admitted it may have been a mistake, but instead you insisted that it was curved, even after I offered pictures.

I didnt harrass you on aim, I IMed you asking "wtf is up". There was nothing shady about my away message or text messages, how were they shady? Josh IMed you about it after I was telling him about the situation.. I don't know how he harrassed you, I dont knwo what he said to you. However, I do recall hearing Trepaul and others mention you and yoru friends harrassing them on AIM, and I witness it in posts all the time as well.
Those posts have nothing to do with sales and actually Im friends with him now and it wasnt like he wasnt arguing back to me om aim.

There is no rear bumper on my 98 at the moment due to being worked on and i put the pan up to it quickly and it looked as it it matched the curve of the gate with no issue thats why i was stunned when you had your temper tantrum saying I was a liar.

I wont deny it that i was mis informed on the pan but in the end you still got a deal and a nice pan out of it and it was as described in perfect condition.

I had no clue it wasnt a compound curve and it wasnt my intention to rip you off and get rid of it quickly knowing it wasnt what I said it was.

Before you start saying Im a shady person and dishonest, just think of how many ohio guys I have dealt with buying or selling stuff if I was a shady person you would of been notified or heard of it, In the 6 years I have been on rps and here I have never ripped anyone off and people know Im an honest guy.

I hate to be the guy to say oh well all sales are final but your words and harassment have given me the attitude of not caring.
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but none-the-less it was the fact that mark keeps saying he did not force you to buy it, that line means nothing and makes no sense. .
I never made a classified for it or said it was for sale, fred asked if he could buy it I dont know where he got the free thing from.

I never forced the sale saying BUY MY PAN

I had a deal with a member to sell it to him but due to being busy that fell through and fred went behind my back and sold the guy a pan then assumed I was going to sell him my pan.
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Well I thought you were done with this? I just PMed you to take it up in PM's and you said you were done...?

LOL ROFL LMFAO at YOU mentioning harrassment. That is all I have to say. Play innocent and lets pretend you havent harrassed so many members. Gee, one name really comes to mind. Trepaul. Shall we ask him if he was ever harrassed by you?

PM's mark, PM's.
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