98 2.5 4x4 conversion and sas help needed.
#1
98 2.5 4x4 conversion and sas help needed.
I've done a lot of research and I've defiantly used the search function. My problem is this. There isn't much information about doing a 4x4 conversion-sas-on a 98-2000 single cab with a 2.5 and 5 speed. I know that the best choice for a front axle is a d44 out of a wagoneer but I'm not sure which year range I need. Im also considering a d30 from a newer jeep simply for cost. Its going to be driven often and not strictly a toy. I just want it 4x4. I'm also having a hard time deciding how to make it 4wd since they don't make a 4x4 transmission for my engine. I know I could do a motor and trans swap but I kinda want to keep the 4 banger. I also know I can have a 4wd tail shaft put in my Trans but that would make future repairs a nightmare. Would I have enough room to run a divorced tcase like a Dana 300 considering the truck is so short? Sorry for all the stupid questions but I know you guys have some great knowledge to share. Thanks in advance for any help.
#2
This is very unlike me, but I would suggest wholeheartedly that if you want 4x4 that badly you should sell that truck and get something else. To be honest you have the worst model/engine/frame configuration for what you're wanting to do.
It can absolutely be done, however you'd be able to go buy a Jeep with what you'll have into this swap once everything is functional and dialed in well enough to drive often and drive well.
It can absolutely be done, however you'd be able to go buy a Jeep with what you'll have into this swap once everything is functional and dialed in well enough to drive often and drive well.
#3
Lol. I knew this suggestion would come up. I'm well aware that this project is a rather silly idea but I'm extremely attached to this truck. I've had it a long time. Plus I like the idea of doing something that not many people have. I'd love to hear about the setbacks I may run into. Any information at all is more than welcome. Also I plan on running a coil spring setup if that helps.
#4
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I think I answered you at another forum.
2.5l is the same engine as 2.3l, both Lima engines so have the same trans bolt pattern.
2.5l has longer stroke.
Ford built Ranger 2.3l 4x4's until around 1997, so you just need the 4WD trans from/for one of those, 2.3l's, they are the same trans, M5OD-R1, you have in the 2.5l
The transfer case can be from any Ranger 1983 until 1995, for manual shift, hard to find but out there
1996 and up were all electric shift, but could still be used just have to add the electrics for it.
Ranger FX4 level IIs had manual shift but also hard to find
2.5l is the same engine as 2.3l, both Lima engines so have the same trans bolt pattern.
2.5l has longer stroke.
Ford built Ranger 2.3l 4x4's until around 1997, so you just need the 4WD trans from/for one of those, 2.3l's, they are the same trans, M5OD-R1, you have in the 2.5l
The transfer case can be from any Ranger 1983 until 1995, for manual shift, hard to find but out there
1996 and up were all electric shift, but could still be used just have to add the electrics for it.
Ranger FX4 level IIs had manual shift but also hard to find
Last edited by RonD; 04-25-2016 at 01:51 PM.
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Well if you've come this far and you're still interested I would not go with a waggy d44 or a d30. They are simply not wide enough to use on a 98+ frame without making you go insane trying to fit everything where you want it. Full width or nothing. A big problem that you're going to have with your truck, because its a factory coil truck, is how the frame is set up to be an integrated coil bucket. The only people with your frame that I've seen do a SAS used leafs because of this. It will be a much bigger job for you fabrication wise to use coils or coilovers. It would be best in the end to use coilovers IMO. Carefully consider what you'll be doing about the frame situation before deciding on anything.
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#8
^I have to disagree with you.
The track width is correct, but that's all. There is not enough room to mount your brackets because the frame is as wide as the axle tubes. That's why you have to notch the frame to integrate a coil bucket or you end up with bowed out coils that rub the frame, even with a notched frame you get bowed coils. This will only be further complicated on his truck since it has those goofy in-frame factory coil buckets.
And don't go looking for a D44 out of a ZJ, they didn't have them. You could probably find a rubicon donor D44, but it'll cost ya, and you'll still have a huge problem with the width.
Go full width, you'll have room for your bracketry and you can offset some of the width with different wheels. Figure out what you'll be doing about that frame first though.
The track width is correct, but that's all. There is not enough room to mount your brackets because the frame is as wide as the axle tubes. That's why you have to notch the frame to integrate a coil bucket or you end up with bowed out coils that rub the frame, even with a notched frame you get bowed coils. This will only be further complicated on his truck since it has those goofy in-frame factory coil buckets.
And don't go looking for a D44 out of a ZJ, they didn't have them. You could probably find a rubicon donor D44, but it'll cost ya, and you'll still have a huge problem with the width.
Go full width, you'll have room for your bracketry and you can offset some of the width with different wheels. Figure out what you'll be doing about that frame first though.
#9
Good Info!
I am planning a SAS on my 98 Ranger as well. Difference being it is an ext cab and has the 3.0. Not the greatest engine but it is getting replace with a 5.0 so im not worried.
I had planned on using a classic bronco dana 44 but considered the FW axles as well. Might have to get a set from an old F Series if I can find some! Not sure about the coils or coilovers. I have heard that the Coilovers are easier to work with but the FW should help with alot of the problems using coils I would think! As for the 4wd Crossmember, it is gonna get removed and replaced if that is possible!
I had planned on using a classic bronco dana 44 but considered the FW axles as well. Might have to get a set from an old F Series if I can find some! Not sure about the coils or coilovers. I have heard that the Coilovers are easier to work with but the FW should help with alot of the problems using coils I would think! As for the 4wd Crossmember, it is gonna get removed and replaced if that is possible!
#12
Same boat, man. I like the little engine too. Considering building the 2.5 for turbo because it is relatively easy and a lot of the 2.3t parts are interchangeable with the 2.5l.
You can't deny, the little 2.5 can take a beating.
#13
it can take a beating because the block is made with high nickel content
just watch the size of the turbo though , too much and it will snap the connecting rods in 2
although not on this forums
this cj7 builder has welded on the coil over shocks to the upper inner C`s
Magnum CJ Build - Page 2 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
scroll down to just before the halfway point ,,, you will see the picture
this is the correct place to mount coil overs ( it properly supports the weight load of the vehicle front end )
without bending the axle tube which will happen if too much weight is placed upon the axle
just watch the size of the turbo though , too much and it will snap the connecting rods in 2
although not on this forums
this cj7 builder has welded on the coil over shocks to the upper inner C`s
Magnum CJ Build - Page 2 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
scroll down to just before the halfway point ,,, you will see the picture
this is the correct place to mount coil overs ( it properly supports the weight load of the vehicle front end )
without bending the axle tube which will happen if too much weight is placed upon the axle
#14
Hi, ive got a 98 ext cab with the 5.0 already done. this will sound nuts but I'm not doing the sas but want to switch it to steering box with the box on outside left frame rail to get the steering shaft out of the way for shorty headers on the 5.0....my question is should I get an f150 box..like 79 or so or is there a better choice. I'm also wondering if the drag link from a ranger will fit the pitman arm from f150? any input would be appreciated
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