Ball Joint Questions
#1
Ball Joint Questions
I have a 2000 Mazda B3000 2wd with torsion suspension.
My ball joints need replacing and I am short on cash. I have the lowers and am looking for uppers. Autozone says they can get me uppers with out a control arm. Advance only carries ball joints with control arms. The price difference is nearly $100. So, is there a reason Advance doesn't have them with out control arms or did the guys at Autozone (and Advance discount for that matter) put something in the computer wrong?
Also, how long does it normally take you guys to do your ball joints? I have limited time so if I end up having to order parts I will need them here ASAP (I live in Tampa for school and am home for 5 days to do this).
Thanks!
PS
I need to check, but if I have the better torsion bars that dont sag after your crank them I may add an inch or so to my front end before I go get it aligned and yes, I will have pics.
My ball joints need replacing and I am short on cash. I have the lowers and am looking for uppers. Autozone says they can get me uppers with out a control arm. Advance only carries ball joints with control arms. The price difference is nearly $100. So, is there a reason Advance doesn't have them with out control arms or did the guys at Autozone (and Advance discount for that matter) put something in the computer wrong?
Also, how long does it normally take you guys to do your ball joints? I have limited time so if I end up having to order parts I will need them here ASAP (I live in Tampa for school and am home for 5 days to do this).
Thanks!
PS
I need to check, but if I have the better torsion bars that dont sag after your crank them I may add an inch or so to my front end before I go get it aligned and yes, I will have pics.
#3
Read the first sentence in the first real paragraph. lol
The moogs were $130 each....I have $340 total to do this including alignment afterwards. If I cant do them myself now I am going to work to save and then I'm going to take them to the shop in Tampa.
I live in an apt that does not allow major vehicle repairs in the parking lot.
The moogs were $130 each....I have $340 total to do this including alignment afterwards. If I cant do them myself now I am going to work to save and then I'm going to take them to the shop in Tampa.
I live in an apt that does not allow major vehicle repairs in the parking lot.
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CBF
It normally takes me about six hours to do Ball joints on a vehicle but this is a snails pace taking a break everytime I acomplish something. lol
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check rockauto. Moog has some "problem solver" upper balljoints that may fit upper arms that can use replaceable balljoints.
The OEM upper balljoints were not intended to be replaced without the arm.
Problem is that if you have OEM you can't just buy the $20 balljoint, you have to get the whole arm....unless those Moogs work, but IIRC the balljoint is not at all serviceable on the Ford arms.
If you buy the whole Moog arm, you only need to buy the 20-30 balljoint in the future.
The OEM upper balljoints were not intended to be replaced without the arm.
Problem is that if you have OEM you can't just buy the $20 balljoint, you have to get the whole arm....unless those Moogs work, but IIRC the balljoint is not at all serviceable on the Ford arms.
If you buy the whole Moog arm, you only need to buy the 20-30 balljoint in the future.
#10
Just FYI (and speaking from experience) everyone said the balljoints on my truck had to replaced with new arms. I found out they didn't.
Please post a pic of your upper control arm and we can tell you if it needs to be replaced or not.
Ford was a little weird when it came to balljoints, some trucks needed the entire arm, where as others didn't. The same goes for the adjustable control arm as well on the passenger side. Some trucks needed them, others didn't. It's a truck by truck basis, so give us a pic and we'll tell you what you need. As long as you get balljoints with greasable zirk fittings you should be good.
Please post a pic of your upper control arm and we can tell you if it needs to be replaced or not.
Ford was a little weird when it came to balljoints, some trucks needed the entire arm, where as others didn't. The same goes for the adjustable control arm as well on the passenger side. Some trucks needed them, others didn't. It's a truck by truck basis, so give us a pic and we'll tell you what you need. As long as you get balljoints with greasable zirk fittings you should be good.
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Technically the uppers are replaceable you just have to grind out the weld holding the ball joint in and re weld the new one into place. And the only reason christian is so fast is because hes had everything go wrong that could have lol.
But yes uppers are replaceable just to what extent are you going to go to save money.
But yes uppers are replaceable just to what extent are you going to go to save money.
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Really? hmmm, I'm gonna pull the tire off today and have my dad and my neighbor look at it.
Those $20 ball joints are greaseable along with the lowers I already have. If I just grease my joints every time I change my oil I should be good until the day that I do a long travel kit....unless that is never haha.
Those $20 ball joints are greaseable along with the lowers I already have. If I just grease my joints every time I change my oil I should be good until the day that I do a long travel kit....unless that is never haha.
#17
Oh, and the haynes manual has **** for ball joint instructions. lalalalame.
I've been driving around with a squeak or grind every time anything in the front suspension moves for about 6 weeks now. It's been squeaking for some time with any decent articulation. I noticed the torn boots about 1.5 years ago. Still no play in the spindle, though. However crappy, they're tough. I've also stayed out of the mudd and water as much as possible since I found the torn boots also, so that has helped a lot I think. BTW, nice truck you got there.
I've been driving around with a squeak or grind every time anything in the front suspension moves for about 6 weeks now. It's been squeaking for some time with any decent articulation. I noticed the torn boots about 1.5 years ago. Still no play in the spindle, though. However crappy, they're tough. I've also stayed out of the mudd and water as much as possible since I found the torn boots also, so that has helped a lot I think. BTW, nice truck you got there.
Last edited by CBFranger; 05-04-2009 at 10:02 AM.
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They dont have anything but a driver's side lower for my truck... neat catalog, though.
edit: Found passenger upper for a damn good price under the Ranger Edge (basically what my truck is, only a year before the edge came out). Still no Moog driver side. If I find the drivers side and it is as cheap as the passenger side I am going to return the lowers that I have and order everything from that site and I'll have to drive back home one weekend to do it or find someone in Tampa with the tools and a place to do it. In tampa will be harder because I'll have to rent a press. My neighbor here at home already has a C clamp press that he uses to fix the U joints on his '67 Barracuda race/show car.
BTW, you guys have been a boat load of help as expected. It's very much appreciated!
edit: Found passenger upper for a damn good price under the Ranger Edge (basically what my truck is, only a year before the edge came out). Still no Moog driver side. If I find the drivers side and it is as cheap as the passenger side I am going to return the lowers that I have and order everything from that site and I'll have to drive back home one weekend to do it or find someone in Tampa with the tools and a place to do it. In tampa will be harder because I'll have to rent a press. My neighbor here at home already has a C clamp press that he uses to fix the U joints on his '67 Barracuda race/show car.
BTW, you guys have been a boat load of help as expected. It's very much appreciated!
Last edited by CBFranger; 05-04-2009 at 12:18 PM.
#22
You've got the nice Moog lowers, and the ****tiest uppers that you can buy. The Moog uppers are like $100 a pop if I remember right?
#23
speaking all rangers or explorers and rangers? some rangers use an adjustable upper control arm, others don't need them. there are also different torsion bars (different spring rates).
Damn, there is a TON of mis-information on this site from people who just post what they "think" is correct.
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speaking all rangers or explorers and rangers? some rangers use an adjustable upper control arm, others don't need them. there are also different torsion bars (different spring rates).
Damn, there is a TON of mis-information on this site from people who just post what they "think" is correct.
Damn, there is a TON of mis-information on this site from people who just post what they "think" is correct.
I am well aware about the different torsion bars but that has nothing to do with ball joints.
And just because you were here a bit longer than some of us doesn't mean you know everything.
Last edited by whippersnapper02; 05-04-2009 at 03:08 PM.