removing a rack and pinion unit from a torsion bar suspension
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Removing a rack and pinion unit from a torsion bar suspension is a nightmare.
I think everything is tougher to repair on a T-bar suspension but the rack and pinion is the worst because it's enclosed in a cage. I looked at the rack on my 2004 Ranger with the coil spring suspension and it's right out in the open. It looks like it would be a breeze to remove. Well, I learned the hard way how to remove one of these b*tches maybe someone could tell me an easier way to install one. Here's some pics if anyone ever wanted to see what the inside of a rack looks like. Attachment 97128 Attachment 97129 Attachment 97130 The cage that this thing was stuck in. Attachment 97131 |
what in hell did you do....
Remove the outer tie rods,(optional) remove the inner tie rods, remove the sway bar, undo the cooler, you unbolt it, undo the lines, undo the steering shaft from the pinion, . take the rack and rotate it so the pinion is pointed at you and you can see threw the bolt holes, move it towards the passanger side it will drop down in that hole. then the driver side of it will be out of the hole in the c-member, then you can just pull it out.. dont forget to replace the nylon o-rings on the lines. you can place them in a glass of hot tap water and it will soften them up some Edit: just realized it did the removal just reverse that lol |
Originally Posted by Redneckstone
(Post 1754801)
what in hell did you do....
Remove the outer tie rods, remove the sway bar, you unbolt it, undo the lines/cooler, undo the steering shaft from the pinion, (optional) remove the inner tie rods before unbolting. take the rack and rotate it so the pinion is pointed at you and you can see threw the bolt holes, move it towards the passanger side it will drop down in that hole. then the driver side of it will be out of the hole in the c-member, then you can just pull it out.. dont forget to replace the nylon o-rings on the lines. you can place them in a glass of hot tap water and it will soften them up some I posted a question about how to remove one a couple of days ago and Trent said he would give me some instructions, but he never did.(I guess he got busy with something else) If I knew how to remove the inner tie rods it would have fell right out.(Can you tell me how to do this? I heard you need a special tool) Why are you saying that unbolting the steering shaft from the pinion is optional? How would you get the thing out without unbolting it from the steering shaft. |
i said removing the inner tie rods is optional.
ya how in hell did you bust it. when you flip it up and slide it over then out you honestly do not need to remove the inner tie rods it does help but its not needed at all i have done it with out and with. yes there is a special tool heck i think even harbor freight sells them but I have heard if you leave the rack bolted it and turn the wheel all the way you can get a wrench on the inner tie rod. i personally have never tried i have always borrowed the tool from Justin he has one. |
Originally Posted by Redneckstone
(Post 1754826)
i said removing the inner tie rods is optional.
ya how in hell did you bust it. when you flip it up and slide it over then out you honestly do not need to remove the inner tie rods it does help but its not needed at all i have done it with out and with. yes there is a special tool heck i think even harbor freight sells them but I have heard if you leave the rack bolted it and turn the wheel all the way you can get a wrench on the inner tie rod. i personally have never tried i have always borrowed the tool from Justin he has one. I only would have needed to remove one of the inner tie rods to get it out easier. When you reinstall the inner tie rod, is there a torque spec on it? What nylon rings are you refering to and where would I get new nylon rings? |
If I can ever stay in the office longer than 10 minutes I can get you all the torque specs. Its on my work computer and I had to go to court all day today. I'll hopefully have it in the morning though.
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on the low and high line that goes into the rack there is nylon seals that you have to slide over the threads when you order a new rack it should come with them and it also comes with new inner tie rods. try installing it with the tie rods on first being it has the nice clamps if you can get it in you will save those you HAVE to rotate the whole rack 90deg to install it its the only way to get it to drop into that hole in the passenger side of the c-member
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Originally Posted by 04blackedge
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If I can ever stay in the office longer than 10 minutes I can get you all the torque specs. Its on my work computer and I had to go to court all day today. I'll hopefully have it in the morning though.
I hope you were in court all day because of jury duty :laughing: |
I need to do this. Been putting it off because it looks like such a ***** to replace.
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Originally Posted by BlackRanger04
(Post 1755059)
Hey Trent,
I hope you were in court all day because of jury duty :laughing: Power Steering Torque Specifications Steering Gear - Torsion Bar Steering Gear - Coil Sprung Inner Tie Rod |
Hey Trent,
Thanks for all the documents. This is going to help out a lot. I just have a few more questions: 1. Will I be using MERCON Auto trans fluid for the power steering fluid? 2. Can you tell us why they want you to remove the front stabilizer bar? Lines 10,11 and 12 explain how how to remove the front stabilizer bar. 3.Can I rent the inner tie-rod socket tool (211-D029) at a parts store? |
Originally Posted by seed60
(Post 1755158)
I need to do this. Been putting it off because it looks like such a ***** to replace.
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the sway bar is in the way when removing/install it just makes life 10x easier to remove it
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Yeah, I had to remove the sway bar. I can't believe Ford designed a set up like that and even after removing the stabilizer bar it was still a absolute b*tch to install.
I'll gladly pay someone $400 to install another rack and pinion unit on a torsion bar suspension if it ever needs to be done again. |
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why are you bumping this, you just said you installed it is there another problem i am not noticing
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Yeah, there is another problem, I need to find a good chiropractor now.
Do you know of any? |
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Thanks Zack
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i cant open the links cause im on my phone but is that info regarding to the `04 only or is it good for my `98? ill look at it when i get to my pc
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if you have torsion bars yes if you're coil sprung no
just click the appropriate link that 04blackedge posted when you get on a computer lol |
yes im torsion on both my trucks.
i got them. this is great thanks trent. do you have anymore of these guides? i would like one of everything plz and thank you. the more the better right? |
Can you remove the rack without totally removing the studs from the bottom of the crossmember?
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6500/78852138.png I was looking at my truck and there are no holes in the RCD crossmember to get to the nuts/studs out. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2315/img0078la3.jpg I'm gonna be pissed if I have to take the drop bracket off or drill big holes in it!! :headache: |
No way it will come out. It's nuts on the bottom and that's a huge bolt that goes threw it on top
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Now that just sucks!! WTF RCD!!!
Looks like it'll have to keep on leaking because I'm not taking the whole thing apart just to replace that. Maybe I'll start collecting sas parts. |
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