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Old 09-30-2007
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suspension lift+torison keys=new shocks? HELP!!!

hey guys! i've already done a fabtech spindle kit w/ fabtech shocks on my 2002 ford ranger edge. i found torison keys, which will give me 3 inches w/out cranking out my stock keys. and 3-4" blocks added to the rear with the AAL i already have(from fabtech). the questions is, if i get the new keys, and add 3-4" blocks the the rear, will i need to replace the shocks i JUST put on a few months ago?!?!

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these are the torsion keys i found. (american READY LIFT doesnt make keys for rangers)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-Lif...spagenameZWDVW

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I don't think torsion keys are a good idea, i havent heard of anyone running them. Why not just get a body lift?
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i've got a prerunner bumper that is bolted onto the frame.

would look like crap, and wouldnt be worth fab'ing like a brushguard
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Ah good point, hopefully some one with more suspension knowledge then I have will chime in.
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torsion keys do exactly what cranking the bar would do....repositioning the the "spring" of the bar. waste of money, imo. If they were the shiznit, why aren't like half of the people on here runnign them. honestly, no one here runs it. 3" for only like $150???!?!?? I believe a crap load of folks would have them on their rig....such as myself.

But to answere your question...yes. If you want to do it right, yes you will need to get new shocks. But, you'd be able to run the current shocks, but they won't last as long....possibly overextending them past their limits.
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take it from me i have the torsion keys and they kind of suck, it dosnt give you the as much lift as you want and it puts alot of stress on your front end. plus puttin them on you have to have a torsion key puller and i had to cut some of the metal from around were they go. i would try and go a diffrent way if i were to do it again.
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Those keys will bind your balljoints.......not a good idea unless you wanna be replacing them twice a year. Keys do the same thing as cranking your bars, its just more work and it costs money.
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dang... i was all excited about fiting 37's too. way to s*** on my parade.. lol maybe i need to research my options... body lift is definitly out becausee of the from bumper. thanks for the input guys!
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Ryan, since you say that they will bind up your ball joints...im assuming you have those installed on your truck? I dont understand why ppl are knockin on em when nobody has auctually installed them. Its just all here-say. I have been told the exact oppisite on what I have been reading. The whole difference in the aftermarket keys is that they lift the truck with the same spring rate as the factory keys, thus the ride quality stays unchanged. Ibet im gonna get all kind of ppl telling me im some kind of idiot for this. I have even called the manufactor and from what they told me these aftermarket keys do not "bind up" any of the suspension parts. But like I said, that was what I was told so dont hold me to it. By the way Tim I was told that it is recommended to replace your front shocks if you do decide to install aftermarket keys. I have already purchased some very similar to those, im just waiting on my tires to wear out before I install them so I can go bigger. I have stock 16x8 wheels, so im running a 265/70/r16 now, plan on going up with a 285/75/R16.

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No I don't have them installed. Go to your local ford dealer and look at the angle of the upper ball joints and then take a look at the upper balljoint angle on a truck with the keys installed. By putting longer shocks and re-indexed torsion keys on your truck you are putting the suspension compononents (mainly the upper balljoints) outside of the specs they were designed to operate at. This WILL cause premature wear and failure of said parts.

BTW spring rate has nothing to do with the angle those keys will put your balljoints at.
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Like I said chief that is what I was told. It'll be another 6 months before I can git new tires so once I install everything i reckon i'll be the only idiot that has these keys. I'll let everyone know at that time what really goes on as for wearing suspension parts.
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From what ive heard is that these keys give you the same lift as a tbar crank but does not put as much pressure on the torsion springs as cranking the tbars.
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the guy i talked to at truck & trailer USA look for READYLIFT keys. but dont make 'em for rangers. that WHOLE company is mostly based on torsion lifts... thus NOT voiding a lease vehicles suspension/ other warrentees. by just CRANKING the t-bars, the front suspension becomes a ROCK. with after market keys, it is repositioned w/out putting the extra stress, so they still continue to work their purpose. thats how is was explained to me!
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Old 10-03-2007
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Well said Mr. Schloesser...
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thanks. so i guess the answer to my original question is... i'm going to use my current shocks, which will be maxed out, until they break? then replace for bigger ones?

does anyone kno ANYTHING about reservoir shocks? i searched this website and cardomain, and can't find fabtech DIRT LOGIC shocks on a ranger. i'm OBVOUSLY gonna need to replace the new shocks!
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Tim unless you do SERIOUS offroading,(in my own opinion) reservior shocks will do ya no good bro. I had just spoken to a guy from Truxxx and he told me that if u use the aftermarket keys then you will not need new shocks. Were you gonna replace the shocks anyways? Bout everyone here on this forum will tell ya to git either bilstiens(monotube design) or ranchos(twin-tube design). You will have better handling with a monotube shock like a bilstien, kyb, and I think monroe offers a monotube shock. Remember ya git what ya pay for, monotube shocks aint cheap...
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good news!! i wont be replaing the shocks. the most offroad i do is a lawn job every now and again. my buddy sold his lifted 250. so i'll be on the road til a 4wheeler trip to L-Cross next month. thanks for the help ben! i'll post an update when i get the tires/keys in a couple wks.
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Cool man I look forward to seeing ya truck after ya install them. As soon as I get new tires im installing my keys. Have fun on your 4 wheeler trip!!
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I got them installed on my truck. I bought them from chassistech for $85 and installed at a shop down the road for $80. I like the lift they will give you at the cost and if your daring you can crank the torsion bars up all the way and fit 40's (with a 3'' bl). I did but it will drive like crap, no down travel at all. I turned the screw back to stock and it rides like it did before i lifted it. I did have my shop customize my upper control arms (3") to keep from wearing out the ball joints, Since then I havn't had to replace them. Only thing is it will wear your outer wheel bearings out faster. I didn't have to buy new shocks, they work fine as long as you don't turn your torsion bars up all the way, they will top out and wear out real quick.
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I got them installed on my truck. I bought them from chassistech for $85 and installed at a shop down the road for $80. I like the lift they will give you at the cost and if your daring you can crank the torsion bars up all the way and fit 40's (with a 3'' bl). I did but it will drive like crap, no down travel at all. I turned the screw back to stock and it rides like it did before i lifted it. I did have my shop customize my upper control arms (3") to keep from wearing out the ball joints, Since then I havn't had to replace them. Only thing is it will wear your outer wheel bearings out faster. I didn't have to buy new shocks, they work fine as long as you don't turn your torsion bars up all the way, they will top out and wear out real quick.
do you have pictures of your upper arms?

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I will take some tomm and post them. It cost me around $200 for all the fab work they had to do.
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right on man
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hey micheal-
looks like shes grinning with those fender flares!

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if all you do is drive in the lawn, why would you worry about fabbing up a bracket to lift up the pre runner bumper for a BL?

its not like you have any extreme amounts of stress on it..
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truthfully? i'm not a fan of that gap. i kno they make gaps covers and such, but i'd have to fab the hitch as well. i think it'd be easier, less money, and less stress to replace torsion keys and lift blocks.
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