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why do you use a yota box

im just wondering is there any other options like a waggy.........
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I think they're inherently weak. I will be using a 1978 F-150/250/Bronco box which is much heavier duty -- though they are harder to come by. I did find one in good shape for a reasonable price though.

I think the main reason for the Toyota box, and by the way this has already been discussed if you were to search, is because it can be ported easily for hydraulic ram assist.

However, the boxes being used are from IFS systems which don't require the steering box to be as strong in certain ways. I know generally NO manufacturer designs something to be stronger than it needs to be, lol.
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I think they're inherently weak. I will be using a 1978 F-150/250/Bronco box which is much heavier duty -- though they are harder to come by. I did find one in good shape for a reasonable price though.

I think the main reason for the Toyota box, and by the way this has already been discussed if you were to search, is because it can be ported easily for hydraulic ram assist.

However, the boxes being used are from IFS systems which don't require the steering box to be as strong in certain ways. I know generally NO manufacturer designs something to be stronger than it needs to be, lol.
thanks so which are other good options but can be found anywhere

that waggy had dana 44's front and rear so do you think that is good enough
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your best bet would be a '77-'79 F-Series steering box.....they are super strong and can take a beating.....

i think most people use Yota because they are cheaper and a lot more compact than any other box......

you have to use a steering box that sits on the outside of the frame rail.....there isn't enough room on the inside of the frame rail on the '98+ trucks to have one on the inside....... (ha ha ha my '97 already has one inside the frame rails.....SAS would be easy for me and i already have the coil buckets!)
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I think they're inherently weak.
Only problem is there isnt very much data to support this....So far I have seen at least 3 different Rangers have absolutly no problems, along with the countless Yotas, as the IFS box is prolly one of the top mods to do to a SA toy.
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There have been reports on here of sector shaft bearing failures, which is exactly the kind of failure I would expect.

Go examine the geometry of the Toyota IFS and the geometry of a standard long-draglink system. Now think about the angles/vectors of the forces applied to the two.

The question becomes: would you design the IFS box and the older style box the same? There is actually more stress on the traditional steering type than on the IFS.

I doubt that Toyota built the box the same as for the conventional style system. I don't trust it as a primary without the hydraulic assist.

That's my word on it and I've made my decision. Everybody else will have to make theirs.
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Here's a thread where it was discussed somewhat. Note that there are two different types of Toyota boxes, and the older style is preferred. It appears Toyota thought the older one was overdesigned and dropped the specs on the later box.

https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...t=36299&page=2

Maybe the older boxes are "strong enough". But just because they're being used a lot doesn't make them the best choice if you're aren't going hydraulic assist -- and I have no intention of doing that for awhile. When the time comes I'll figure out how to port the Ford box -- which is mongo heavy duty IMO.
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http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142138

Toyota IFS box is a popular swap for EB guys too
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thanks on the feed back
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I am pretty happy with the box i have. works pretty good.

only thing i dont like is how it mounts on the outside of the frame... would be a lot nicer on the inside but good luck finding room!
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I am pretty happy with the box i have. works pretty good.

only thing i dont like is how it mounts on the outside of the frame... would be a lot nicer on the inside but good luck finding room!
what about a cherokee box
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what about a cherokee box
does it mount on the outside of the frame?

if your answer is "NO" then it will not work because there is not enough room inside the frame.......

ANY steering box will work that mounts OUTSIDE the frame.....
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does it mount on the outside of the frame?

if your answer is "NO" then it will not work because there is not enough room inside the frame.......

ANY steering box will work that mounts OUTSIDE the frame.....
kool kool kool just asking q's
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kool kool kool just asking q's
i know but it has been stated a million times in this and other threads lately that the box has to be on the outside of the frame...
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What would be wrong w/ using a stock Ranger box other than the F series boxes being stronger? I've had 37's or 36's on my truck for about 2 1/2 years now and never ran into any problems...
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What would be wrong w/ using a stock Ranger box other than the F series boxes being stronger? I've had 37's or 36's on my truck for about 2 1/2 years now and never ran into any problems...
the problem lies with there not being enough room inside the frame of a '98+ Ranger for a TTB Ranger steering box.........since yours already has one on it, then don't change it......it is actually a stronger box than a lot of people think, just wont fit inside the frame on '98+ Ranger....
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does it mount on the outside of the frame?

if your answer is "NO" then it will not work because there is not enough room inside the frame.......

ANY steering box will work that mounts OUTSIDE the frame.....
I don't know if Explorer's are any different, but Jey's friend has done a SFA on his Explorer & is running a box mounted inside the frame.

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the problem lies with there not being enough room inside the frame of a '98+ Ranger for a TTB Ranger steering box.........since yours already has one on it, then don't change it......it is actually a stronger box than a lot of people think, just wont fit inside the frame on '98+ Ranger....

Ahhhh.... makes sense... didnt think about that...
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