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Absolutely right. The eternal "whoops" on some trails are the more significant issue.

Multiple small rate shocks are also less likely to blow out, prrovide some degree of redundancy in failure, and are cheap to replace if damaged.

There are still advantages.
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Those who run them down generally don't know how to size or set them up, and therefore don't understand how they can be of benefit.
Which is what I was getting at. Instead of looking for 'disco' or 'mall-rated' ideas, do some research and learn instead of asking 'if it would be cool.'

You don't find alot of 'whoops' sections on most trails. You just want the best articulation you can get. Multiple shocks would be counter-active in this case because you (generally) get a higher rate which means the shocks resist more, limiting your articulation. If he was gonna go romping in the dunes where he'd benefit from multiple shock setups, this wouldn't sound like such a rediculous set-up.

Also, since he's asked about double-shock set-ups before and found out that it was pretty much pointless, why ask about a triple-shock setup?
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sounds like it would be better in griggs and sawreds applications, (and myself) being 2wd means hitting chit faster and going over bumps faster, it seems like ya'lls description would helphere.. maybe just my thinking.
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Perhaps. But the "dismissive" way you ridicule people for just asking questions is counter-productive. I would wager most of the people who were most insulting about multiple shock setups, don't know spit about shocks anyway.

That's my point. And I AM educating him on why and what for he could use multiple shocks, not making fun of him and trying to force him into everyone's idea of 4x4 "fashion" as most of you are.

WHO CARES what most of you think? There are ways to engineer solutions that most of you wouldn't know if they bit you, yet you posture as "experts". I remember the cantilever dual shock setup discussion, where so-called "experts" couldn't understand that the leverage of the system would cause the shocks to have different travel and "effective rates".

A few of you really ought to take a valium or something.
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WHO CARES what most of you think? There are ways to engineer solutions that most of you wouldn't know if they bit you, yet you posture as "experts". I remember the cantilever dual shock setup discussion, where so-called "experts" couldn't understand that the leverage of the system would cause the shocks to have different travel and "effective rates".
I remember that discussion. It actually came to mind when I read this too. If I remember right, you and I were on the same side there.

What I was really chastizing was the fact that he's asked this question before in this thread:

https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...ht=dual+shocks

I don't think shock technology has changed that drastically in the past 3 months to warrant asking this question again. It's one thing when someone new comes and asks something someone else has asked a dozen times. It's a different thing when you ask the same question yourself twice.
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And I wasn't necessarily chiding YOU, more like the tone of the previous page of replies in general. He's pretty much a newbie in many ways, so questions like that come up. And sometimes people don't find the replies satisfactory, I suppose.

I do remember you and I could see how the cantilever worked! But I'm not sure that many people who make strong statements about certain designs, really understand the details. And that bugs me, as you can see from my response here.

But, in light of the repetition, I can better understand some of the impatience with the question, lol. Probably best in those cases to just ignore it!
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And I wasn't necessarily chiding YOU, more like the tone of the previous page of replies in general. He's pretty much a newbie in many ways, so questions like that come up. And sometimes people don't find the replies satisfactory, I suppose.

I do remember you and I could see how the cantilever worked! But I'm not sure that many people who make strong statements about certain designs, really understand the details. And that bugs me, as you can see from my response here.

But, in light of the repetition, I can better understand some of the impatience with the question, lol. Probably best in those cases to just ignore it!
Right you are!

This was the first thread I opened when I woke up this morning, and I guess I wasn't in the best of moods. Either way, seems silly to me to use triple shocks. If that's what you wanna do though, don't let me stop you.
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Shane is trying to figure out what's going to be safe, effective and prevent breakage. He's not real experienced or knowledgeable yet and so feels insecure about thrashing his truck without building it up, and he also doesn't yet know what "enough" is as far as build up goes.

So, perhaps it is annoying, but he'll learn -- particularly if we patiently teach him. I myself struggle with trying to find cost effective solutions that will allow me to operate the vehicle without spending a fortune.

I am always concerned about expensive, special service parts and would like to find ways to design effective systems whose component parts are cheaper to replace when damaged. Hard to do! Multiple shocks appeal to me in terms of redundancy, distributed load, etc. No, it's NOT a very attractive solution as people sometimes look at it -- but then, I'm not necessarily concerned about "looks" or "fashion" -- but more with function.

Those really expensive shocks are WONDERFUL. But I can not justify that expense, lol. I relocated my shock mounts on my axle to acheive two ends and kept my stock length shocks: I get the same travel range (adequate for my use for now), and I didn't have to get longer shocks when I lifted the truck. The amount of extra rear lift I got was exactly compensateed by the shock mount re-clocking -- AND I got less sticking down to snag stuff when I'm offroading.

That's the kind of cheap innovation I'm always seeking, lol.
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Those really expensive shocks are WONDERFUL. But I can not justify that expense, lol. I relocated my shock mounts on my axle to acheive two ends and kept my stock length shocks: I get the same travel range (adequate for my use for now), and I didn't have to get longer shocks when I lifted the truck. The amount of extra rear lift I got was exactly compensateed by the shock mount re-clocking -- AND I got less sticking down to snag stuff when I'm offroading.

That's the kind of cheap innovation I'm always seeking, lol.
I've been meaning to do that for so long! I hear what you're saying, I guess my patience was just very short this morning, and I started the snowball that rolled downhill.
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John I do understand what you are talking about with Multiple shocks but most people do not take the time to figure out the proper shock valving. As for those expensive shocks go, if you add up what you would spend for a multiple shock setup the cost is about the same. I do understand that most people cannot just run down to the local auto parts store and buy the 5150's that I posted and that would deter most with going with something like those, but think about it how often do you break a shock.

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True enough that! I just wanted to point out that there are multiple solutions to problems, and also to "defuse" some of the way this thing was going. Thanks guys for going along with that.

There are obviously reasons why those expensive setups exist, and I don't question that, and this thread has pointed out the strengths/weaknesses now of the approaches. Let's keep it in that direction.

Now that I think it's more "on track", I'll offer my opinion: I don't think for anything you'll be doing for awhile, you will need multiple shocks, Shane. You should explore your truck "one level at a time" I think. It will make you a better driver, more cautious, and you can explore finesse before you explore brute force and technical superiority.

The fact of the matter is: technology breaks, fails, or otherwise disappoints. Having real skill to DRIVE the vehicle under many conditions will serve you well. You don't necessarily have to build a rock-buggy right out of the box.

Impressive technical applications will be easier to figure out when you know you NEED them -- this will come with experience. In offroading, I am beginning to understand in PRACTICE the things I've only read about and known in THEORY. I find the understanding where both come together to be the place where actual wisdom about the subject begins.
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Perhaps. But the "dismissive" way you ridicule people for just asking questions is counter-productive. I would wager most of the people who were most insulting about multiple shock setups, don't know spit about shocks anyway.

That's my point. And I AM educating him on why and what for he could use multiple shocks, not making fun of him and trying to force him into everyone's idea of 4x4 "fashion" as most of you are.

WHO CARES what most of you think? There are ways to engineer solutions that most of you wouldn't know if they bit you, yet you posture as "experts". I remember the cantilever dual shock setup discussion, where so-called "experts" couldn't understand that the leverage of the system would cause the shocks to have different travel and "effective rates".

A few of you really ought to take a valium or something.
Agree !

Even if the intent was to have a "mall rated 4x4" the question was "could I use dual shocks" the answer is something like you really might not need them but either way i don't think anyone makes a kit you might need to have something custom made.

I honestly don't care what Jey is or is not running on his truck. Jey does a totally different type of wheeling then we do at wharton and other places. The type of wheeling Jey does no shocks makes sense.

The type of wheeling we do in wharton in the whoops I think dual shocks would be a good idea and proove useful.
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True enough that! I just wanted to point out that there are multiple solutions to problems, and also to "defuse" some of the way this thing was going. Thanks guys for going along with that.

There are obviously reasons why those expensive setups exist, and I don't question that, and this thread has pointed out the strengths/weaknesses now of the approaches. Let's keep it in that direction.

Now that I think it's more "on track", I'll offer my opinion: I don't think for anything you'll be doing for awhile, you will need multiple shocks, Shane. You should explore your truck "one level at a time" I think. It will make you a better driver, more cautious, and you can explore finesse before you explore brute force and technical superiority.

The fact of the matter is: technology breaks, fails, or otherwise disappoints. Having real skill to DRIVE the vehicle under many conditions will serve you well. You don't necessarily have to build a rock-buggy right out of the box.

Impressive technical applications will be easier to figure out when you know you NEED them -- this will come with experience. In offroading, I am beginning to understand in PRACTICE the things I've only read about and known in THEORY. I find the understanding where both come together to be the place where actual wisdom about the subject begins.
John I agree with what you are saying totally, there is no replacement for skill. but if he has the money to build whatever he thinks is the ultimante rig should he say no I have the money but i want to sit on it until i have the skill.
I sure wouldn't. If i was given the oppertunity to drive a monster truck or a top fuel dragster both of which are way beyond my skill I would jump at the chance. So long as he understand just because the rig is what it is that you need to get a feel for it and learn what it can do.
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But point being Ben, does he have enough money to build it, realize it's short comings and then build it again for what he wants it to do. If we go out in stock form, we quickly see there are things right off the bat that need improvement. But once the basics (lift, tires, recovery, etc) have been modded we see what other areas can be improved. And then can do it right the first time. Of course some things have to be done wrong to see what it right...at least that's the way some people learn sometimes the best way to learn but also the most costly at times.
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John, I know you're arguing that the shocks do have their use, which they do.

I only say what I said because he obviously doesn't need them. In his own words he said that he wanted them so ppl would think his truck was blingy and had money in it. I'm not doggin on shocks. I'm jus sayin thats a terrible reason to buy something. Cause any real offroader would think thats most likely overkill.


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True enough. But I do believe he wants to offroad also. When I was younger, bling appealed more than it does now (perhaps because in my physical being, at this age, I am sadly lacking in "bling" myself...)

I see what everyone's saying. I just thought it was getting uncivil.
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John, I know you're arguing that the shocks do have their use, which they do.

I only say what I said because he obviously doesn't need them. In his own words he said that he wanted them so ppl would think his truck was blingy and had money in it. I'm not doggin on shocks. I'm jus sayin thats a terrible reason to buy something. Cause any real offroader would think thats most likely overkill.


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thats your opinion, he thinks he needs them, for whatever reason he wants them, who are we to judge him or his truck. I might put them on my truck now and try them out. and ya know what if they don't work or i can't get them to work i will turn around and sell them like so many people do with everything.

This whole post totally reminds me of my post on the old GE about how to turn off the seat belt chime. 120 posts later one person made one post that answered my question.

i will jump for joy if the mods and the admins ever start putting an end to BS posting like this. If you are not helping a person answer a question then you are wasting cyberspace.

We really just don't need 150 post saying thats over kill your an idiot for even thinking it, and this coming from people who have no idea what they are talking about(excluding sawred and Griggs and maybe one or two others).

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How bout this guys!

SHAUN I THINK IT WOULD LOOK KICK *** AND WOULD PROBABLY BE KICK *** OFFROAD BUT DEFINITELY BE BUILT LIKE A TANK!!! IF YOU GOT THE MONEY AND YOU CAN SPEND IT..........

DO IT, DO IT
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I'll keep it short.. 3 shocks are useless... except for bling or monster truck action..
if you need more than one.. go bigger..

Also if you are lifting later you will just be replacing them then so wait on shocks
until after a suspension lift.
There is plenty of $$$ items to spend on .. I would advise on spending it wisely.

#1 item would be a locker.
#2 gears (after a tire size upgrade) Ideally at same time as locker
to save labor costs.
3# some sort of winch depending on what kind of trail riding/offroading
you do this might be a better or worse idea.

And just a note to everyone who posted... a good rule is .. if you cant say
something nice (or neutral) keep it to yourself.

I have typed in replys sooo many times then clicked the close box and
decided it wasnt even worth posting the reply.

If you want good ideas.. just look at the people who offroad
hardcore and check out their upgrades...
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thats your opinion, he thinks he needs them, for whatever reason he wants them, who are we to judge him or his truck. I might put them on my truck now and try them out. and ya know what if they don't work or i can't get them to work i will turn around and sell them like so many people do with everything.

This whole post totally reminds me of my post on the old GE about how to turn off the seat belt chime. 120 posts later one person made one post that answered my question.

i will jump for joy if the mods and the admins ever start putting an end to BS posting like this. If you are not helping a person answer a question then you are wasting cyberspace.

We really just don't need 150 post saying thats over kill your an idiot for even thinking it, and this coming from people who have no idea what they are talking about(excluding sawred and Griggs and maybe one or two others).

Blah blah blah? Dude if we disagree with what you think therefore we're not giving a good opinion?

It seems to not be sinking in.

He wanted them for the shiney look.
We thought they'd be overdone
We all gave our opinions
Thread done.


Oh by the way, shove a screwdriver into the door/seatbelt chime and it'll go away.

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I'll keep it short.. 3 shocks are useless... except for bling or monster truck action..
if you need more than one.. go bigger..
You obviously missed the technical discussion. You're wrong. 3 might be more than one needs, but they (multiple shocks) do have certain advantages. The word "useless" makes your sentence pretty much the same, Rand, sorry.
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Ok here we go. I am doing this for looks but also for off-road. I understand they are useless and im going to have a "mall truck" All I'm asking if they would work and if someone could help me find a kit to see if they even had one for my year truck? Yeah I asked about a double set up befor. but really who cares. Im someone who does off-road but not an "expert" like you all. Yeah there maybe stupid questions and such but big deal. Ya live and learn at one point in your life. Also my truck is probly staying on this lift. Once i throw my leveling kit on and wear my 33's out then I will be throwing the 35's on with 4:56gears, lockers and such. So until that time comes why not spend on other things? Why buy a winch also? True they are awsome as I saw! But as long as I have tow points and someone to pull me out why should I get one!? Im not too dumb when i go off road.

I see something i don't like I will not go through it! ask anyone i wheel with. Im not the one who is willing to catch 5 foot of air (John) lol and totally whale on this thing. But also I go through intense trails also. Call me "young and dumb" what ever ya want. No biggie, does no good here. Thats why most of the people i knew off of here left because on stupid **** like this. a simple ? asked and everyone like to put in their "expert" opinions in. I dunno maybe im talking dumb. who knows.


Edit: John and Ben, thanks for not blowing up on me. You guys understand. All in all im a good guy a love to wheel with you guys! If i find the kit i will be getting it!
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Why don't you call James Duff? They have kits for older Rangers and may have something you could use or adapt. They also have shocks designed specifically to work with their multiple shock setups and mountng hoops.

Mostly, I'm sure they are for TTB Rangers 1997 and previous. If they can't set you up, probably nobody has anything useful.

http://www.jamesduff.com

Here's a coil bucket replacement with dual shock mounts. Probably 3 IS excessive, but as I said, multiple shocks have redundancy and reliability advantages and can be cheaper than big "bling" shocks. Yes, fancy offroad shocks ARE better -- but really good ones are also really expensive.

Here's what their full replacement looks like:



Link here: http://www.jamesduff.com/broncoII/dualshock.html

Call them if you aren't sure if they'll work for you.
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Thanks John but if you click my link way at the beggining and scroll down on the "front parts" You'll see like a 88-97 triple set up. would that work. just scroll down you'll see what im saying.
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Of course it would. However, selecting the correct shocks is the issue. You should see if they have ideas on that. Duff definitely would since they are Bronco/BII/Ranger specialists.
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