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#76
I do believe I answered you about 40 post up....somewhere around 8am this morngin that was answered....here let me quote it again for the people who CAN'T read...
It really takes posting something 3 times for you to read it
Originally Posted by lifted97ranger in post #38 and quoted in post #43
If the engine is running and you are getting a 12.3v reading at the battery, then your alternator isn't putting out its capacity.
#77
Why did you evade the question.....because you knew you were WRONG?
The correct answer is BATTERY!
#78
Bob is trying to take me to task. But yet completely ignores questions put to him. Come on Bob.
My e-fans both have a much tighter shround around thier OD. This greatly improves the delta P vs the stock ford design. When you have an axial flow pump (no matter what the media) the blades almost never overlap. This is why axial flow types are kept in realms where high rates of flow but not much pressure is called for. The only way to build pressure is to add stages like in a jet engine, or to overlap the blades. (some turbo jets do this)
Besides Bob. If you don't understand what blade over lap is or does.. what would showing you calcs do? What would you want to see? Blade surface area? That's no biggie. Number of blades? No biggie. The bleed on the I.D. and O.D. on the blades? No biggie. You ask for math to what end?
Yes I do get the CFM "claim" from flex-a-lite. So what?
At the end of the day Bob. My truck stays cool, I've freed up TQ, and get better MPG mileage. At some point in time my investment of money will pay for itself in MPG gained. Besides.. this stuff is just fun to me. And.. it lowers my ETs.
Rich
My e-fans both have a much tighter shround around thier OD. This greatly improves the delta P vs the stock ford design. When you have an axial flow pump (no matter what the media) the blades almost never overlap. This is why axial flow types are kept in realms where high rates of flow but not much pressure is called for. The only way to build pressure is to add stages like in a jet engine, or to overlap the blades. (some turbo jets do this)
Besides Bob. If you don't understand what blade over lap is or does.. what would showing you calcs do? What would you want to see? Blade surface area? That's no biggie. Number of blades? No biggie. The bleed on the I.D. and O.D. on the blades? No biggie. You ask for math to what end?
Yes I do get the CFM "claim" from flex-a-lite. So what?
At the end of the day Bob. My truck stays cool, I've freed up TQ, and get better MPG mileage. At some point in time my investment of money will pay for itself in MPG gained. Besides.. this stuff is just fun to me. And.. it lowers my ETs.
Rich
#79
Alright, let me say this one last time since you are too freakin stupid to understand it...
IF YOUR VOLTAGE READING WITH THE TRUCK RUNNING IS 12.3v, THEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR ALTERNATOR. A WAY TO FIX THAT WITH THE UDP's IS TO INSTALL A SMALLER PULLEY ON THE ALTERNATOR. THAT WILL SPIN THE ALTERNATOR BACK UP TO NORMAL SPEED AND YOU WILL GET THE VOLTAGE BACK UP TO AROUND 14.5v WITH THE TRUCK RUNNING.
Do you understand now
IF YOUR VOLTAGE READING WITH THE TRUCK RUNNING IS 12.3v, THEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR ALTERNATOR. A WAY TO FIX THAT WITH THE UDP's IS TO INSTALL A SMALLER PULLEY ON THE ALTERNATOR. THAT WILL SPIN THE ALTERNATOR BACK UP TO NORMAL SPEED AND YOU WILL GET THE VOLTAGE BACK UP TO AROUND 14.5v WITH THE TRUCK RUNNING.
Do you understand now
#80
Bob doesn't understand that. He comes to a site where people MODIFY their truck and bashes EVERY modification. I have even seen him bash a modification to a Ranger where the parts were stock on another Ford (that would be the Taurus efan mod by the way).
He wants to bash efans, yet manufactures put them on NEW vehicles every day; even Chevy is putting efans on their 1500 Silverado's with a towing package.
He wants to bash efans, yet manufactures put them on NEW vehicles every day; even Chevy is putting efans on their 1500 Silverado's with a towing package.
#81
Here is the thing though. Who in thier right mind would argue that it's a problem with the typical ranger running a UDP? As soon as the rpms go over 900-ish the battery is now being charged. Don't know about you guys.. but I drive everywhere I go at more than 700-850 rpms.
Rich
#82
Bob is trying to take me to task. But yet completely ignores questions put to him. Come on Bob.
My e-fans both have a much tighter shround around thier OD. This greatly improves the delta P vs the stock ford design. When you have an axial flow pump (no matter what the media) the blades almost never overlap. This is why axial flow types are kept in realms where high rates of flow but not much pressure is called for. The only way to build pressure is to add stages like in a jet engine, or to overlap the blades. (some turbo jets do this)
Besides Bob. If you don't understand what blade over lap is or does.. what would showing you calcs do? What would you want to see? Blade surface area? That's no biggie. Number of blades? No biggie. The bleed on the I.D. and O.D. on the blades? No biggie. You ask for math to what end?
Yes I do get the CFM "claim" from flex-a-lite. So what?
At the end of the day Bob. My truck stays cool, I've freed up TQ, and get better MPG mileage. At some point in time my investment of money will pay for itself in MPG gained. Besides.. this stuff is just fun to me. And.. it lowers my ETs.
Rich
My e-fans both have a much tighter shround around thier OD. This greatly improves the delta P vs the stock ford design. When you have an axial flow pump (no matter what the media) the blades almost never overlap. This is why axial flow types are kept in realms where high rates of flow but not much pressure is called for. The only way to build pressure is to add stages like in a jet engine, or to overlap the blades. (some turbo jets do this)
Besides Bob. If you don't understand what blade over lap is or does.. what would showing you calcs do? What would you want to see? Blade surface area? That's no biggie. Number of blades? No biggie. The bleed on the I.D. and O.D. on the blades? No biggie. You ask for math to what end?
Yes I do get the CFM "claim" from flex-a-lite. So what?
At the end of the day Bob. My truck stays cool, I've freed up TQ, and get better MPG mileage. At some point in time my investment of money will pay for itself in MPG gained. Besides.. this stuff is just fun to me. And.. it lowers my ETs.
Rich
I'm not surprised you would believe the CFM claim from a efan MFG!!!
#83
I'm not impressed with your BS. That "shroud" you are talking about on your e-fan is used to keep the plastic blades from flapping around, it serves no useful purpose as a shroud for pulling air through the radiator like the mechanical fan has!!!
I'm not surprised you would believe the CFM claim from a efan MFG!!!
I'm not surprised you would believe the CFM claim from a efan MFG!!!
Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
Here is the thing though. Who in thier right mind would argue that it's a problem with the typical ranger running a UDP? As soon as the rpms go over 900-ish the battery is now being charged. Don't know about you guys.. but I drive everywhere I go at more than 700-850 rpms.
#84
Rich
#85
I'm not impressed with your BS. That "shroud" you are talking about on your e-fan is used to keep the plastic blades from flapping around, it serves no useful purpose as a shroud for pulling air through the radiator like the mechanical fan has!!!
I'm not surprised you would believe the CFM claim from a efan MFG!!!
I'm not surprised you would believe the CFM claim from a efan MFG!!!
As far as the claims of flex-a-lite. I've not tested them. Neither have you. So who's got proof it's accurate or not? Neither one of us.
Rich
#86
#87
The fan blade is a single molded piece that has a "shroud" on it. The fan assembly also has a shroud. Both act as bleed limiters. Bob, I'm tellin ya just like I told you before. I learned from the best. Dr Korst at UI. He opened my eyes an awfull lot about pump design.
As far as the claims of flex-a-lite. I've not tested them. Neither have you. So who's got proof it's accurate or not? Neither one of us.
Rich
As far as the claims of flex-a-lite. I've not tested them. Neither have you. So who's got proof it's accurate or not? Neither one of us.
Rich
The OEM mechanical fan/clutch, and pulley design are plenty robust to handle extreme conditions, which you have limited by the UDPs, and e-fan!
#88
Your point has some merrit Bob. But I did'nt do this because I'm "worried" about the tranny temps. I did it because I'm a gear head and like to modify cars. This is just "fun" to me. I find it "fun" to modify cars and then post about it on car forums. In a way.. kinda like you think it's "fun" to not modify cars and then post on car forums putting down the idea of doing such.
So... we are no different than two dogs barking at each other. Except.. I'm barking with science on my side. And you.. your barking with gut instinct on yours.
LOL..
Later,
Rich
So... we are no different than two dogs barking at each other. Except.. I'm barking with science on my side. And you.. your barking with gut instinct on yours.
LOL..
Later,
Rich
#89
Your point has some merrit Bob. But I did'nt do this because I'm "worried" about the tranny temps. I did it because I'm a gear head and like to modify cars. This is just "fun" to me. I find it "fun" to modify cars and then post about it on car forums. In a way.. kinda like you think it's "fun" to not modify cars and then post on car forums putting down the idea of doing such.
So... we are no different than two dogs barking at each other. Except.. I'm barking with science on my side. And you.. your barking with gut instinct on yours.
LOL..
Later,
Rich
So... we are no different than two dogs barking at each other. Except.. I'm barking with science on my side. And you.. your barking with gut instinct on yours.
LOL..
Later,
Rich
I remember a post or PM from you sometime ago, when their was a debate about K&N air filters, or intakes, you admitted that the gains simply weren't there.
I hate to see these youngsters with no technical savy at all be sucked into believing the aftermarket product marketing BS, and wasting what little money they have on
their useles products!
I also appreciate quality machinery, and hate to see it botched up!
Last edited by Takeda; 06-16-2008 at 02:47 PM.
#90
Bob doesn't understand that. He comes to a site where people MODIFY their truck and bashes EVERY modification. I have even seen him bash a modification to a Ranger where the parts were stock on another Ford (that would be the Taurus efan mod by the way).
He wants to bash efans, yet manufactures put them on NEW vehicles every day; even Chevy is putting efans on their 1500 Silverado's with a towing package.
He wants to bash efans, yet manufactures put them on NEW vehicles every day; even Chevy is putting efans on their 1500 Silverado's with a towing package.
#91
Actually Bob, If my memory serves me right, I do recall someone on TRS telling and SHOWING you pictures of their '06 1500 w/ tow package has an electric fan....You just got owned.
#92
Check it back out......I showed a GM parts site, calling out a mechanical fan clutch for his truck!!!
As usual, you are WRONG!!!!
#93
*if* you think your going to gain MPG. Think again. It doesn't decrease delta P across the throttle body unless the TB is at least 50% open.
*if* you think it filters better. Wrong again. There have been many independant test to prove such.
I think that too often people have a "bandwagon" that they jump on board with. Then they selectively pick out facts that back up thier agenda. Bob I respectfully feel that you fall into that category. I try pretty hard to let the chips fall where they may.. based on measured results.
Bob I'd hate to hear your comments on my 800hp fuel injected, supercharged, and direct port nitrous injected Lightning. I'm afraid that level of modifying a modern ford would send you into convulsions. LOL..
Take care,
Rich
#94
"I'll definately agree that there is not a big gain to be had with these things. Not much of a gain at all really.. unless you spend time at 4000+ rpms you won't even see any. Like I've stated before this stuff is just fun. Especially in a internet enviromnent where *nobody* seems to use factual data."
#95
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Gee, if it existed, you should be able to see the part listed somewhere??
You mean you couldn't find it in your tranny kits anywhere???
You previously claimed that the "thermo fluid valve" existed in a tranny kit!
Here is the link you posted, where is it?
http://www.superior-transmission.com...tion/4r44e.htm
You mean you couldn't find it in your tranny kits anywhere???
You previously claimed that the "thermo fluid valve" existed in a tranny kit!
Here is the link you posted, where is it?
http://www.superior-transmission.com...tion/4r44e.htm
part numbers 29-36
i'll go out to the garage and find the instructions for the shift correction kit and scan them later.
you have been owned!
#96
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now back on topic!
now that bob has been put in his place we can move on.
so rich you see the fluid flow is controlled by a thermostat type valve and no mater what you do the fluid will still run hot. installing a fan and using additives will help a little but if you want real results this valve will have to be dealt with.
now that bob has been put in his place we can move on.
so rich you see the fluid flow is controlled by a thermostat type valve and no mater what you do the fluid will still run hot. installing a fan and using additives will help a little but if you want real results this valve will have to be dealt with.
#97
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Just talked to a local tranny rebuild shop, there isn't a tranny that changes ATF flow to the cooling lines based on temp....the flow to the cooling lines is constant. The guy did verify, however, that the pump high pressure is controlled by the PCM in modern tranies.......
not a shop i want rebuilding my transmission !!!!!!!
your such a BSer bob.
#98
now back on topic!
now that bob has been put in his place we can move on.
so rich you see the fluid flow is controlled by a thermostat type valve and no mater what you do the fluid will still run hot. installing a fan and using additives will help a little but if you want real results this valve will have to be dealt with.
now that bob has been put in his place we can move on.
so rich you see the fluid flow is controlled by a thermostat type valve and no mater what you do the fluid will still run hot. installing a fan and using additives will help a little but if you want real results this valve will have to be dealt with.
You better dig a little deeper, the parts you called out aren't even in the cooler line circuits!!!!
Call up your tranny kit folks, and they will set you straight!!!!