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Drag Truck
Ok, I have a dilema. I am wanting to build a drag truck, and of course, it will be a ranger. I am looking for a 93-97 2wd. Now, the question is, would an ext cab be the ideal truck, or the reg cab? I have built many cars, but never a truck for drag racing. It will NOT be a street legal truck, so the glass will come out, and get a full cage, 4 link rear with coil overs, tub the rear, gut the interior, etc.
I am starting with a 347 stroker, and a C6 tranny, and a narrowed 9" and going from there. I just dont know if a longer wheel base or a shorter one would be better. Also, when the truck is bought keep your eye on the project log portion of the forum, you will see lots of info and pics coming ya'lls way. Thanks for any and all help guys!!!!
I am starting with a 347 stroker, and a C6 tranny, and a narrowed 9" and going from there. I just dont know if a longer wheel base or a shorter one would be better. Also, when the truck is bought keep your eye on the project log portion of the forum, you will see lots of info and pics coming ya'lls way. Thanks for any and all help guys!!!!
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My vote is reg cab after seeing this truck run at a local track.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...c2017f917d.htm
Check out the Ranger at 3:05ish.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...c2017f917d.htm
Check out the Ranger at 3:05ish.
Last edited by 0RangerEdge2; 11-05-2007 at 10:56 PM.
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Originally Posted by 0RangerEdge2
My vote is reg cab after seeing this truck run at a local track.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...c2017f917d.htm
Check out the Ranger at 3:05ish.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...c2017f917d.htm
Check out the Ranger at 3:05ish.
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If I had to build a Ranger for strip use only.. and I had a choice of any out there.. It would be a 93, reg cab. Many v8 swaps have already been done to them and documented. They are pretty light compared to a reg cab. Stay AWAY from a ' splash ' as their beds weigh more then a regular tin/sheetmetal one.
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
Goes to show how little you homies know about dragracing.
An extended cab will allow you to place the engine/tranny/driver further rearward. And the longer wheel base will make the vehicle more stabil during the run.
But hey.. what do I know?
Rich
An extended cab will allow you to place the engine/tranny/driver further rearward. And the longer wheel base will make the vehicle more stabil during the run.
But hey.. what do I know?
Rich
I was thinking about weight distribution....but didnt mention it.
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If your building a track only truck. The weight differences between a reg and std cab are not much. A little I'll concede.. but moving the weight rearward is more important for getting those 60s down.
Now... if I were to build a fun DD type of ranger? It would be a std cab short bed. But only because I like the looks better. That and spinning the tires would be easier.
Rich
Now... if I were to build a fun DD type of ranger? It would be a std cab short bed. But only because I like the looks better. That and spinning the tires would be easier.
Rich
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
Goes to show how little you homies know about dragracing.
An extended cab will allow you to place the engine/tranny/driver further rearward. And the longer wheel base will make the vehicle more stabil during the run.
But hey.. what do I know?
Rich
An extended cab will allow you to place the engine/tranny/driver further rearward. And the longer wheel base will make the vehicle more stabil during the run.
But hey.. what do I know?
Rich
As far as being more stable, I agree with you, but unless he is planning on pumping out 1,000 HP I dont think 10 inches of wheel base is going to make a bit of diffrence if the truck gets sideways. I think he will gain more with saving the weight.
I think a boxed frame would keep the frame from twisting and a good suspension set up would keep the front wheels on the ground if you are looking for that much power.
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Originally Posted by firefighterjosh
I dont think 10 inches of wheel base is going to make a bit of diffrence if the truck gets sideways. I think he will gain more with saving the weight.
Now lets assume he does'nt want to change the firewall. (even though this is a race only truck with a full cage and you have no knowledge of what you are doing) Added weight towards the rear end will help to transfer weight to the tires.
It's called "CG" or "instant center" As the truck sits staticly the CG is not the same as when it's under full load (launching) Boxing in the frame and doing a 4link I assume is what he's going to do. If so a standard cab is not the way to go from a purely functional standpoint.
Guys it's simple science.
Rich
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
You address a "problem" before it happens not after it happens. You never want to get a drag race only vehicle sideways. The longer wheel base is indeed what he wants. IT ADDS STABILITY!
Now lets assume he does'nt want to change the firewall. (even though this is a race only truck with a full cage and you have no knowledge of what you are doing) Added weight towards the rear end will help to transfer weight to the tires.
It's called "CG" or "instant center" As the truck sits staticly the CG is not the same as when it's under full load (launching) Boxing in the frame and doing a 4link I assume is what he's going to do. If so a standard cab is not the way to go from a purely functional standpoint.
Guys it's simple science.
Rich
Now lets assume he does'nt want to change the firewall. (even though this is a race only truck with a full cage and you have no knowledge of what you are doing) Added weight towards the rear end will help to transfer weight to the tires.
It's called "CG" or "instant center" As the truck sits staticly the CG is not the same as when it's under full load (launching) Boxing in the frame and doing a 4link I assume is what he's going to do. If so a standard cab is not the way to go from a purely functional standpoint.
Guys it's simple science.
Rich
Anyways...
I guess I dont see any point of moving the engine. You should be able to get all the weight from the front of the truck to the rear tires by using suspension. Unless you have a Top fuel dragster you shouldn't need that long of a wheel base. Look at drag cars.... for example a mustang. There wheel base is shorter then a truck and they do just fine. Or a lingenfilter (sp?) Vete.
If your going to move the engine back then you are going to run the risk of having a wheelly machine.
But cowboy63645 has build other machines I am sure he knows how to build one.
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Originally Posted by firefighterjosh
If your going to move the engine back then you are going to run the risk of having a wheelly machine.
weight transfer is the key. if the weight is already closer to the rear tires, it is easier to handle.
for a dedicated machine, i would take a ex.cab as well.
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well, there will be a 4 link/coilover setup for the rear suspension, as well as a fullage, and the firewall is getting moved about about 6" to move the motor and the tranny back, in my reg cab, which is an 01, I have plenty of leg room, so I was thinking in either truck I would be fine with doing so. I am only 6' tall. Sounds like the majority is leaning towards a reg cab for looks and the ext cab for function....
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with the weight of the motor towards the rear and the right suspension... you can get the better take off ... and with the longer wheel base... granted it might only be 10 inches or so makes a noticable difference... like rich said ... it is science.. the same thing aplies to the tires you run.. .a friend of mine has a 600 hp.. single cam honda civic and just with the change between tires cut off fractions of a second to his track time.... YA I SAID IT PRACTICALLY 600 HP... IT IS THE FASTEST not so street legal car in washington... sorry it is so long.. IT IS SCIENCE..
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
It's called "CG" or "instant center" As the truck sits staticly the CG is not the same as when it's under full load (launching) Boxing in the frame and doing a 4link I assume is what he's going to do. If so a standard cab is not the way to go from a purely functional standpoint.
Guys it's simple science.
Rich
Guys it's simple science.
Rich
I've had an 84 regular cab with several different v8's in it and my present 03 Supercab. With the same axle, and LESS weight, a shorter wheelbase.. it STILL hooked better then my present ride.
Stability isn't a factor with our trucks.. .ther is no stability! They are bricks untill fully scrutinized.
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It would be cool to see a step by step thread with decisions being be made along the way.
I built an s-10 that is sooo close to being in the 12's with the stock short block 4.3 L v6. I made a lot of mistakes along the way. Some had to do with doing what you can with little money or doing what you can with what you have to barter with. A lot of it was simply not knowing.
I'd love to do it all over again with a Ranger and some good planning for the outcome. One being to keep it street legal. I blew that with my s-10 project. I'd use the square body cause they can be had for $200. Think about it, what all would you be using? Frame, body, some front suspension, steering?
There are a lot of v8 rangers and s-10's out there that run in the 14's and 15's cause they can't "hook up".
I built an s-10 that is sooo close to being in the 12's with the stock short block 4.3 L v6. I made a lot of mistakes along the way. Some had to do with doing what you can with little money or doing what you can with what you have to barter with. A lot of it was simply not knowing.
I'd love to do it all over again with a Ranger and some good planning for the outcome. One being to keep it street legal. I blew that with my s-10 project. I'd use the square body cause they can be had for $200. Think about it, what all would you be using? Frame, body, some front suspension, steering?
There are a lot of v8 rangers and s-10's out there that run in the 14's and 15's cause they can't "hook up".
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Maybe I am wrong, but from what i have learned quad and motorcycle wise, most of your transfer of weight will be threw the suspension.
If you have enough power to get the front wheels light then most of your power is being transfered to the rear tires.
You have a good set-up when your front tires are just barely touching the pavement.
My thinking is that if you move the engine back you are going to run the risk of pulling wheelies and then you need to extend the front end, which I would think would be harder then just messing with some suspension mods.
My friend has a 57 bel air drag/street. He has a 700HP 454. He has cheater slicks and has no problems with traction.
I could be way off but its just my thinking.
If you have enough power to get the front wheels light then most of your power is being transfered to the rear tires.
You have a good set-up when your front tires are just barely touching the pavement.
My thinking is that if you move the engine back you are going to run the risk of pulling wheelies and then you need to extend the front end, which I would think would be harder then just messing with some suspension mods.
My friend has a 57 bel air drag/street. He has a 700HP 454. He has cheater slicks and has no problems with traction.
I could be way off but its just my thinking.
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Graniteguy, as soon as the truck is purchased and brought home, there will be a build up thread as soon as park it in the drive way. Every decision I make, every part that is bought, every dollar spent will be documented right here, as well as when it is complete, the time slips will be posted as well.
As far as the body style, I have decide on the 83-92 square body style, in a single cab short bed. The truck will be purchased sometime in the next 3 weeks, so ya'll be prepared for an experiance LOL. Also, along the way with the build, as I post things, if any of you have a better idea on parts, a build technique, anything, please let me know. I am always looking for input on my projects and this one will be no different.
As far as the body style, I have decide on the 83-92 square body style, in a single cab short bed. The truck will be purchased sometime in the next 3 weeks, so ya'll be prepared for an experiance LOL. Also, along the way with the build, as I post things, if any of you have a better idea on parts, a build technique, anything, please let me know. I am always looking for input on my projects and this one will be no different.
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