Mountaineer Center Console, Edge floor, Trip Computer
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Originally Posted by INT3RC3PTOR
heh yeah figured that much, i just have to be careful cause mine is grey and i dont want black carbon marks on it
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Originally Posted by ScottG
so would that work with any manual tranny linkage?
The linkage for the 1354 T/C used with the 4.0 transmission sits more on top of the tunnel than the linkage for a fullsize T/C. I think that would make it harder to package both together. Mine was just about at the limit for how far I could easily reshape it to clear the shifter.
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Originally Posted by rwenzing
I think you're talking manual transfer case shifter with the Ex floor console, right?
The linkage for the 1354 T/C used with the 4.0 transmission sits more on top of the tunnel than the linkage for a fullsize T/C. I think that would make it harder to package both together. Mine was just about at the limit for how far I could easily reshape it to clear the shifter.
The linkage for the 1354 T/C used with the 4.0 transmission sits more on top of the tunnel than the linkage for a fullsize T/C. I think that would make it harder to package both together. Mine was just about at the limit for how far I could easily reshape it to clear the shifter.
well,
id be looking at using a Bronco Manual t/c not sure which that is
but yeah, its with a 4.0 tranny
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Originally Posted by ScottG
well,
id be looking at using a Bronco Manual t/c not sure which that is
but yeah, its with a 4.0 tranny
id be looking at using a Bronco Manual t/c not sure which that is
but yeah, its with a 4.0 tranny
The F-series, F/S Bronco, Expedition, etc. that I've seen all use a larger 6-bolt pattern and a larger 31 spline input. Advance makes an adapter kit for a F/S transmission to a RBV transfer case but it sounds like you want to do the opposite. I think that would have to be custom made.
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Originally Posted by DerangedPony
How hard was it to recover the lid...how did you do it? I'm thinking about getting a console and painting it black like you did, but I didnt know how to change the color of the lid. Thanks
Problem 1: It is very difficult to staple and I have no idea how the factory get its thin staples to penetrate the the hard plastic - heat maybe.
Problem 2: The covers tear with age and the plastic in the lids is usually cracked or broken - very common. Because of this, good used lids on eBay usually go for $60~100.
To make matters worse, I used fabric-backed black Naugahyde (fake leather, lol) which is thicker and harder to work with than the factory vinyl. Several vendors sell vinyl recover kits on eBay but I couldn't find any made in black. Black was not a factory color for the Gen2 4-door Ex interior.
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Originally Posted by DerangedPony
How hard was it to recover the lid...how did you do it? I'm thinking about getting a console and painting it black like you did, but I didnt know how to change the color of the lid. Thanks
Clean the old vinyl & plastic well and wipe it down with an alcohol-drenched rag right before you paint, that will prep the surface very well. You can hide small nicks and blemishes too by lightly sanding them flat before applying the paint.
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So, sorry to bring this thread back from the dead. But today I was yarding, and I got my hands on one of those message centers. Do any of you have a thread of a link to the wiring for this thing. it has three plugs and one says ABS, do I need to have ABS on the truck? Any info thanks. Bob I can't send you an E-mail or a PM so I have to bring this back from the dead.
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Old Thread Dig up! I have a question for you Bob, about the message center. In the original post you wrote
"This is the Explorer/Mountaineer trip computer and systems monitor which Ford calls the "Message Center". I got it from Frank (Pastfinder) who stripped it from an Explorer console. This won't work on a stock Ranger because Ranger PCMs don't have a fuel flowrate output for the trip computer functions. Now that I'm installing the Explorer engine and PCM, I should be able to make it work in my truck."
Well I was looking through the Ranger Station and the have a tech write up on how to add a Tripminder computer. Very similar to the message center but an older relative. In the How To they splice into the ranger PCM and wire a signal for the fuel flowrate ouptut. I'm guessing that the computer is generating the signal but it is not being used by the ranger. Do you think the same thing could be done of taping into the rangers pcm for the fuel flowrate signal to be used with the Message Center? I was looking at this for 87 to 93 mustang wiring and their wiring harness does not utilize pin 34 just like the ranger.
"This is the Explorer/Mountaineer trip computer and systems monitor which Ford calls the "Message Center". I got it from Frank (Pastfinder) who stripped it from an Explorer console. This won't work on a stock Ranger because Ranger PCMs don't have a fuel flowrate output for the trip computer functions. Now that I'm installing the Explorer engine and PCM, I should be able to make it work in my truck."
Well I was looking through the Ranger Station and the have a tech write up on how to add a Tripminder computer. Very similar to the message center but an older relative. In the How To they splice into the ranger PCM and wire a signal for the fuel flowrate ouptut. I'm guessing that the computer is generating the signal but it is not being used by the ranger. Do you think the same thing could be done of taping into the rangers pcm for the fuel flowrate signal to be used with the Message Center? I was looking at this for 87 to 93 mustang wiring and their wiring harness does not utilize pin 34 just like the ranger.
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I don't know for sure if the output is there or not. Since it costs money for every feature included in the PCM, Ford usually only populates the PCM with those that will be used in a certain application. I don't have a vehicle here to look at but you could monitor the pin for frequency or voltage level to see if it is there.
Here's something else to think about though. Somewhere in the Message Center / PCM combo, it is calibrated for the injector size that was originally was fitted to the vehicle. Cylinder count may also matter - the Gen 2 Ex Message Center uses a ground wire to tell the MC if it is installed in a 6 or 8 cylinder Explorer - or perhaps that is just how the MC decides which of two internal calibration tracks to use. I don't know anything about the inner workings of the FE calculations or where the calibration is done. However, it seems to me that if you have a different injector size, different number of cylinders or a mismatched PCM and MC, then the FE and DTE calculations could be inaccurate.
Here's something else to think about though. Somewhere in the Message Center / PCM combo, it is calibrated for the injector size that was originally was fitted to the vehicle. Cylinder count may also matter - the Gen 2 Ex Message Center uses a ground wire to tell the MC if it is installed in a 6 or 8 cylinder Explorer - or perhaps that is just how the MC decides which of two internal calibration tracks to use. I don't know anything about the inner workings of the FE calculations or where the calibration is done. However, it seems to me that if you have a different injector size, different number of cylinders or a mismatched PCM and MC, then the FE and DTE calculations could be inaccurate.
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