12 valve swap
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^^And long. The last 2 cylinder are buried even in a superduty, The older dodges were a little better, but the last 1 or 2 are still a pain. You would need massive firewall mods. Why not build a 4bt to make some power with twins...You can have your cake and eat it too. There are 650+ HP 4bt's out there.
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That one 6bt on youtube, the front of the truck is stretched 6 inches.
Its a ridiculous amount of fab given that with about the same amount of money you would put in to the truck to get the 12 valve, which is limited in its modifications and thus power output as opposed to a 24 valve, you could swap in a 4bt and tune it to 500+ horsepower.
12 valves have no computer tuning availability like the 24 valve does. I'm not trying to be smart, as I assume you would already know this, but the amount of work that would be needed to fit the engine into the truck would outweigh its benefits. A tuned 4bt is the way to go.
Its a ridiculous amount of fab given that with about the same amount of money you would put in to the truck to get the 12 valve, which is limited in its modifications and thus power output as opposed to a 24 valve, you could swap in a 4bt and tune it to 500+ horsepower.
12 valves have no computer tuning availability like the 24 valve does. I'm not trying to be smart, as I assume you would already know this, but the amount of work that would be needed to fit the engine into the truck would outweigh its benefits. A tuned 4bt is the way to go.
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not what i have been told
i mechanic i talked to, the same computer controlled vehicle is in the shop almost every week
so he switched the engine over to the mechanical 1 , that same truck has never been back since
plus numerous headaches he has with other peoples comp controlled cummins engines
i mechanic i talked to, the same computer controlled vehicle is in the shop almost every week
so he switched the engine over to the mechanical 1 , that same truck has never been back since
plus numerous headaches he has with other peoples comp controlled cummins engines
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Then he must not be familiar with electronic controls. They're actually very simple to diagnose and repair. One of the things I do notice is most shops are afraid of them and will refuse to work on them, yet by some stroke of luck I can usually correct an issue quickly and permanently.
Not saying they dont' have issues, just saying there is a better solution then converting it back to mechanical.
Not saying they dont' have issues, just saying there is a better solution then converting it back to mechanical.
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That one 6bt on youtube, the front of the truck is stretched 6 inches.
Its a ridiculous amount of fab given that with about the same amount of money you would put in to the truck to get the 12 valve, which is limited in its modifications and thus power output as opposed to a 24 valve, you could swap in a 4bt and tune it to 500+ horsepower.
12 valves have no computer tuning availability like the 24 valve does. I'm not trying to be smart, as I assume you would already know this, but the amount of work that would be needed to fit the engine into the truck would outweigh its benefits. A tuned 4bt is the way to go.
Its a ridiculous amount of fab given that with about the same amount of money you would put in to the truck to get the 12 valve, which is limited in its modifications and thus power output as opposed to a 24 valve, you could swap in a 4bt and tune it to 500+ horsepower.
12 valves have no computer tuning availability like the 24 valve does. I'm not trying to be smart, as I assume you would already know this, but the amount of work that would be needed to fit the engine into the truck would outweigh its benefits. A tuned 4bt is the way to go.
Right Jake...lol
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I don't know much about 12 valves, but every time I've seen them race 24 valves, they've lost.
That's the mindset I'm going from and I figured that's what op was looking for since you can't pull too much with the Ranger no matter what.
I'm not going to argue with y'all though. I don't claim to know too much about these. haha
Just what I've looked in to and my buddies trucks.
That's the mindset I'm going from and I figured that's what op was looking for since you can't pull too much with the Ranger no matter what.
I'm not going to argue with y'all though. I don't claim to know too much about these. haha
Just what I've looked in to and my buddies trucks.
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it depends , did they properly match injectors
probably not.
a 12 valve diesel engine with properly matched injectors will smoke a computer controlled diesel any day
the problem with computer controlled diesels is: sometimes they pump too much fuel into the cylinders and overheat the injectors , that is where comp controlled diesels break down so much
the proper fuel/air mixture must be maintained for a diesel too work properly and for long term reliability
probably not.
a 12 valve diesel engine with properly matched injectors will smoke a computer controlled diesel any day
the problem with computer controlled diesels is: sometimes they pump too much fuel into the cylinders and overheat the injectors , that is where comp controlled diesels break down so much
the proper fuel/air mixture must be maintained for a diesel too work properly and for long term reliability
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The 12v head is still an air flow limiting factor. I've never seen/heard of an overheated injector, Proper air/fuel mixture is not important in a diesel like it is for gasoline engines. Idle mixture is very lean, on the highway cruising with light loads is near 40:1, right where you start to see smoke is about 20:1.... versus a gas, keeping it at the 14.4-14.7 or whatever it is.
Most guys who "tune" up their 12v are pushing way way more fuel then then need, I guess most 24v's are too, as they stack chips and waste money.
Most guys who "tune" up their 12v are pushing way way more fuel then then need, I guess most 24v's are too, as they stack chips and waste money.
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i have !
the owner did a pretty good job of it too.
even the mechanic was stumped as to how he was able to get the injector pressure up that high
it was the 1st version with the injector tip in the combustion chamber
he a hell of a time getting 4 of the 6 injectors out because of the melted tip
the owner did a pretty good job of it too.
even the mechanic was stumped as to how he was able to get the injector pressure up that high
it was the 1st version with the injector tip in the combustion chamber
he a hell of a time getting 4 of the 6 injectors out because of the melted tip
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I don't know much about 12 valves, but every time I've seen them race 24 valves, they've lost.
That's the mindset I'm going from and I figured that's what op was looking for since you can't pull too much with the Ranger no matter what.
I'm not going to argue with y'all though. I don't claim to know too much about these. haha
Just what I've looked in to and my buddies trucks.
That's the mindset I'm going from and I figured that's what op was looking for since you can't pull too much with the Ranger no matter what.
I'm not going to argue with y'all though. I don't claim to know too much about these. haha
Just what I've looked in to and my buddies trucks.
But anyway Jake, great idea. lots of money, lots of time, but very very possible
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Bingo! And don't do a 4BT, You saw what my ranger did to the 2500 with the 4BT when I pulled him. 4BT's are the new 302. Plus, trying to put 500 HP into a 4BT is near impossible. Remember Marcus Pelts Twin Turbo 4BT. It was still only pushing 275 hp. He is a Cummins God(haha) and he will say the same thing.