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Since we are already off topic, from one B-body owner to another, buy some Monroe Severe Service shocks for an early 90s Caprice 9C1 (Police Interceptor). Poor man's Bilsteins is really what they are. On my Bonneville, it went from a boat, sloshing side to side in the turns and front end picking up anytime the throttle was stabbed to solid and it was nothing more than just replacing shocks. The 9C1 steering box is also a great upgrade, better ratio.
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like i have said the 3.0L duratec can make "cheap" 400whp reliable. turbo and slight head build. that's about it....which isnt bad. get a good 3.0L for around 800 bucks used. slap a turbo on it and slightly build the heads. many people are getting close to 380-400whp reliably in the cougars. they get around 22-25mpg to. im sure you could get 13 second quarter out of it. the stock Taurus SHO only has 365 crank horsepower and it runs 14.2's stock. and weighs over 4000 pounds
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like i have said the 3.0L duratec can make "cheap" 400whp reliable. turbo and slight head build. that's about it....which isnt bad. get a good 3.0L for around 800 bucks used. slap a turbo on it and slightly build the heads. many people are getting close to 380-400whp reliably in the cougars. they get around 22-25mpg to. im sure you could get 13 second quarter out of it. the stock Taurus SHO only has 365 crank horsepower and it runs 14.2's stock. and weighs over 4000 pounds
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It is a Gen II small block so it is about as built as you can get and still be somewhat reliable. I alsways liked that gen Pontiac. I almost bought a coupe before the I made the deal on the lesabre. https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...new-car-i.html
^ You might like to see my Lesabre (It is in storage, makes me want to cry!)
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11-25-2009
Why don't you just go ahead and do the engine swap and use the 4.6 liter V8 instead. The reason I suggest this is because by the time you finish the engine work required you could've gone to a salvage yard and done the swap I suggested for a alot cheaper and get some really good power numbers. I would like to see how this project turns out though. Plus you forget one thing. The new Sho engine is DIRECT INJECTED which means a different intake manifold, ECU and alot of other things.
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Dude Im not talking about the 3.5L when did i say 3.5L i said 3.0L duratec. and if a 365hp car that weighs 4000+ pounds which in a rwd even thought the (SHO is AWD) application would put down 320-330 whp running 14.2's. now if you can't get a 4000pound vehicle that is making 400whp into the 13's then you suck. the 3.5L SHO is twin turboed making power from at 5500 rpm and tq from 1500 all the way up. it peaks at 3500 rpm but since the twin turbos spool quickly then it has pretty much full boost fairly early. Twin turbos reduce lag and therefore before you even hit 2 grand you pretty much have all the tq you need.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ower-curve.jpg
2010 Taurus SHO w/ TT V6 - Ford Mustang Forums
The 3.0L duratec twin turbo version used in the noble m400 and rossion q1 has tq from 1500-5500,6000 rpm like the 3.5L... the rossion q1 produces 450 crank horsepower and 400 tq. this motor can be tuned for 500 crank hp and will produce 450tq. from 1500+
so yes a 400whp version of this car would make 13's.
Im sure it gets better then 20mpg depending on the driver. a turbo car if you dog it all the time of course you will burn some gas. The 3.5TT is capable of using regular gas but premium is recommended. tune it up for premium only and this this will easily go past 400 cranks horsepower stock. My truck is rated for 18 mpg in the city and 22-23 hwy. I actually get 21-22 city and 25 hwy. so yes you can get more MPG then what paper says.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ower-curve.jpg
2010 Taurus SHO w/ TT V6 - Ford Mustang Forums
The 3.0L duratec twin turbo version used in the noble m400 and rossion q1 has tq from 1500-5500,6000 rpm like the 3.5L... the rossion q1 produces 450 crank horsepower and 400 tq. this motor can be tuned for 500 crank hp and will produce 450tq. from 1500+
so yes a 400whp version of this car would make 13's.
Im sure it gets better then 20mpg depending on the driver. a turbo car if you dog it all the time of course you will burn some gas. The 3.5TT is capable of using regular gas but premium is recommended. tune it up for premium only and this this will easily go past 400 cranks horsepower stock. My truck is rated for 18 mpg in the city and 22-23 hwy. I actually get 21-22 city and 25 hwy. so yes you can get more MPG then what paper says.
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11-26-2009
Dude Im not talking about the 3.5L when did i say 3.5L i said 3.0L duratec. and if a 365hp car that weighs 4000+ pounds which in a rwd even thought the (SHO is AWD) application would put down 320-330 whp running 14.2's. now if you can't get a 4000pound vehicle that is making 400whp into the 13's then you suck. the 3.5L SHO is twin turboed making power from at 5500 rpm and tq from 1500 all the way up. it peaks at 3500 rpm but since the twin turbos spool quickly then it has pretty much full boost fairly early. Twin turbos reduce lag and therefore before you even hit 2 grand you pretty much have all the tq you need.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ower-curve.jpg
2010 Taurus SHO w/ TT V6 - Ford Mustang Forums
The 3.0L duratec twin turbo version used in the noble m400 and rossion q1 has tq from 1500-5500,6000 rpm like the 3.5L... the rossion q1 produces 450 crank horsepower and 400 tq. this motor can be tuned for 500 crank hp and will produce 450tq. from 1500+
so yes a 400whp version of this car would make 13's.
Im sure it gets better then 20mpg depending on the driver. a turbo car if you dog it all the time of course you will burn some gas. The 3.5TT is capable of using regular gas but premium is recommended. tune it up for premium only and this this will easily go past 400 cranks horsepower stock. My truck is rated for 18 mpg in the city and 22-23 hwy. I actually get 21-22 city and 25 hwy. so yes you can get more MPG then what paper says.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ower-curve.jpg
2010 Taurus SHO w/ TT V6 - Ford Mustang Forums
The 3.0L duratec twin turbo version used in the noble m400 and rossion q1 has tq from 1500-5500,6000 rpm like the 3.5L... the rossion q1 produces 450 crank horsepower and 400 tq. this motor can be tuned for 500 crank hp and will produce 450tq. from 1500+
so yes a 400whp version of this car would make 13's.
Im sure it gets better then 20mpg depending on the driver. a turbo car if you dog it all the time of course you will burn some gas. The 3.5TT is capable of using regular gas but premium is recommended. tune it up for premium only and this this will easily go past 400 cranks horsepower stock. My truck is rated for 18 mpg in the city and 22-23 hwy. I actually get 21-22 city and 25 hwy. so yes you can get more MPG then what paper says.
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11-26-2009
Plus I'd do alot more than just cylinder head work as well. Anytime you go to turbocharge something you just about have to rebuild the engine from the ground up. I'm talking forged Internals, Fuel pump, transmission, Injectors, radiator and rear ends as well. Now some cars and trucks you can get away with it because some of them use forged internals and other tough equipment. But a stock 3.0 you'll be doing good to get more than 4 lbs of boost max which is all that the stock 3.0 duratec can handle. but it doesn't mean you can't try though. try going to the following sites Turbonetics, Inc. | Industrial and Performance Turbochargers, Intercoolers, Boosting Systems, Controls and more | Keeping You Cool Under Pressure and here's what I'd recomend for the pistons and rings as well as the Compression ratio. Probe Industries - High Quality Forged Pistons, Shaft Rockers, Main Girdles, Stud Girdles, Engine Kits, Crankshafts and Connecting Rods for Buick, Chevy, Ford, Chrysler, Pontiac, Oldsmobile and Sport Compact Applications. - 866-718-6267 and the the CR 8.5:1 to help handle the abuse of the turbos. Plus don't forget to reflash the ECU. Turbonetics is one of the best you can get within the industry period. They carry alot of extras for that specific purpose. So check them out. Let me know how it's turns out because an OHC engine tends to produce more torque on the bottom end than the OHV engines for some reason.
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I don't know, mine still has duratec written all over it........
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This is at around 10psi
Maybe more STOCK than most!
Yeah, I'm bummed because my homemade boost controller is **** and it would spike up towards 12psi for a sec and the keep dropping right back down to around 10psi maximum no matter how much I would adjust it up.
I wanted to dyno at 12 psi and contemplate 14psi but since I couldn't get a solid 12psi run I decided to stop right there.
I drove about 80 something miles, rolled right in for my dyno appointment, strapped down and did 5 runs in 20 minutes. It was bascially as standard day of about 70 degrees and almost normal atmosphere pressure with low humidity.
BTW, the intercooler water never got more than luke warm, but then I didn't try a run with iced up water either!
Oh yeah, for all you catalytic converter haters out there....that was still pushing through a catalytic converter, a 2.5" main cat. The wastegate is atmospheric vent though.
Last run of the day I pulled the boost controller off and made 250/220 HP/Tq to the wheels on about 3.3 to 3.4ish PSI.
The spring I have in my wastegate right now is a 3.83psi spring but then I have about a 0.5psi pressure drop through the intercooler. Well it may be closer to 3.4 psi because I bet the pressure drop is lower at lower pressure and rises as pressure increases.....drag you know.
Oh yeah, Air fuel was measured at the tailpipe after the catalyst. I measure my own A/F with my wideband and it is spot on until you get up top where it gets a bit rich. Good safety though, but hey, I'm also loosing anywhere from 15-20 horespower with the air fuel dipping down so rich at the top end.
We estimate this engine at that boost level to be around 375-380 by just cleaning up the air fuel while it is on the dyno.
So 14psi is definitely 400 at the wheels......
:rofl:
This is at around 10psi
Maybe more STOCK than most!
Yeah, I'm bummed because my homemade boost controller is **** and it would spike up towards 12psi for a sec and the keep dropping right back down to around 10psi maximum no matter how much I would adjust it up.
I wanted to dyno at 12 psi and contemplate 14psi but since I couldn't get a solid 12psi run I decided to stop right there.
I drove about 80 something miles, rolled right in for my dyno appointment, strapped down and did 5 runs in 20 minutes. It was bascially as standard day of about 70 degrees and almost normal atmosphere pressure with low humidity.
BTW, the intercooler water never got more than luke warm, but then I didn't try a run with iced up water either!
Oh yeah, for all you catalytic converter haters out there....that was still pushing through a catalytic converter, a 2.5" main cat. The wastegate is atmospheric vent though.
Last run of the day I pulled the boost controller off and made 250/220 HP/Tq to the wheels on about 3.3 to 3.4ish PSI.
The spring I have in my wastegate right now is a 3.83psi spring but then I have about a 0.5psi pressure drop through the intercooler. Well it may be closer to 3.4 psi because I bet the pressure drop is lower at lower pressure and rises as pressure increases.....drag you know.
Oh yeah, Air fuel was measured at the tailpipe after the catalyst. I measure my own A/F with my wideband and it is spot on until you get up top where it gets a bit rich. Good safety though, but hey, I'm also loosing anywhere from 15-20 horespower with the air fuel dipping down so rich at the top end.
We estimate this engine at that boost level to be around 375-380 by just cleaning up the air fuel while it is on the dyno.
So 14psi is definitely 400 at the wheels......
Yeah i understang the 10% ethanol. i get the above stated mpg in my truck with the 10% ethanol and 90% gas mix that most places carry now. back when it used to be 100% gas i would get close to 23mpg city.
Another reason why a lot of people wont swap in the 4.6L mustang motor is because it is a 90 degree V therefore serious mods have to be done in the ranger to get it to fit... A guy around here is going to be doing it to his ranger but i dont like the idea of hacking my truck up when i can have plenty of usable power with a turbo v6.
Whenever i get the chance to swap motors i will be going with a local buisness Topendusa. they deal with borg warner turbos and so on. I can get a really good turbo at a decent price from them. Turbonetics run good setups but it would be easier to get the stuff that people around here use. wastegate and all that i pretty much have an idea what im going to run as far as that. probably a racegate. pistons will be weisco and rods will be pauter i could throw a stock 3.0L with the stuff that the guy above me did and get 400whp but im gonna run forged pistons and rods just incase i wanna crank up the boost a bit.
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11-26-2009
This is a guy from the NECO forums running this setup. Plus my friend which me and my brother installed the turbo on. is running a scion TC running 10psi. everything is stock except for the piggyback and injectors and the tutbo kit. he is running 270whp. and we beat a ls1 camaro the other day in it. and it still gets about 20-25mpg.
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yeah oh yeah i told the guy that owned the scion that if Toyota didn't over build that motor the most id push would be 7 psi. but when i was looking his motor up they beef it up a bit. uh the injectors are 550cc? or something maybe im not quite sure but ill find out here soon. my brother is building a screamer honda i think he will be using 1400-1600cc injectors. I have decent amount of knowledge when it comes to turbocharging. i have only done one turbo kit though. i mostly know theory but theory and reality are two different things. we were going to do a 240sx but the guy didnt have anything so we told him what he needed and he hasnt been back. I was going to turbo the vulcan but ill just slap a m90 on it and maybe put a grand into the heads till i can get the 3.0L duratec and all built up for the swap.
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warmonger's setup is nothing, IIRC suneil's Contour is still King of the Hill and he was using the 2.5L block.
Turbo charging results:
401fwhp,
381 ft/lbs of torque at 17psi
1. T3/T4 Dual ball bearing liquid cooled
2. Headers-321 Stainless headers, 304L downpipe and intake pipes
Downpipe includes flex and 3" high flow cat
3. Filter-7" K&N
4. Intercooler-Spearco Liquid to air
5. Blow Off Valve-Turbo XS type H-RFL (Functional and sound/vid clip available)
6. Wastegate-Tial 35mm divorced wastegate by Garrett
7. Heat Exchanger-8 pass 1/2"
8. Reservoir Tank-4 gallon aluminum reservoir tank, with aviation style lid
9. Intercooler pump-198 gph
10. Injectors-6 42# Ford
11. Spark plugs-6 NGK gapped at .03
12. Engine Management-Custom dyno tuned ADC chip
13. Ventilation-Catch can with breather
14. Battery hold down kit-0 gauge battery line, eyelets and hold downs
15. Optima 34R Yellow Top Deep Cycle Battery
The engine upgrades include:
Cylinder Head has been P&P for turbo app, fit with 3L valves
and ST220 Valve Springs complete with ARP Head Bolts
Diamond Piston Forged Flat Top, 9:1 CR
Pauter 4340 Chrome-Moly Forged Rods complete with 220k psi steel rod bolts
Fed-Mogul Main Bearings
Clevite 77 Rod Bearings
Fel-Pro Complete Gasket Kit
Upgraded 3L Oil Pan and Windage Tray
Magnecor 8.5mm Wires
Triple-EH SVT UIM rated at ~190cfm
34/35mm SVT LIM
70mm GT Throttle Body
Ford Lightning 80mm MAF
ADC-Custom 3" Catback with Magnaflow mufflers, all stainless steel
with TIG welding.
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Sadly, he sold the car.
Turbo charging results:
401fwhp,
381 ft/lbs of torque at 17psi
1. T3/T4 Dual ball bearing liquid cooled
2. Headers-321 Stainless headers, 304L downpipe and intake pipes
Downpipe includes flex and 3" high flow cat
3. Filter-7" K&N
4. Intercooler-Spearco Liquid to air
5. Blow Off Valve-Turbo XS type H-RFL (Functional and sound/vid clip available)
6. Wastegate-Tial 35mm divorced wastegate by Garrett
7. Heat Exchanger-8 pass 1/2"
8. Reservoir Tank-4 gallon aluminum reservoir tank, with aviation style lid
9. Intercooler pump-198 gph
10. Injectors-6 42# Ford
11. Spark plugs-6 NGK gapped at .03
12. Engine Management-Custom dyno tuned ADC chip
13. Ventilation-Catch can with breather
14. Battery hold down kit-0 gauge battery line, eyelets and hold downs
15. Optima 34R Yellow Top Deep Cycle Battery
The engine upgrades include:
Cylinder Head has been P&P for turbo app, fit with 3L valves
and ST220 Valve Springs complete with ARP Head Bolts
Diamond Piston Forged Flat Top, 9:1 CR
Pauter 4340 Chrome-Moly Forged Rods complete with 220k psi steel rod bolts
Fed-Mogul Main Bearings
Clevite 77 Rod Bearings
Fel-Pro Complete Gasket Kit
Upgraded 3L Oil Pan and Windage Tray
Magnecor 8.5mm Wires
Triple-EH SVT UIM rated at ~190cfm
34/35mm SVT LIM
70mm GT Throttle Body
Ford Lightning 80mm MAF
ADC-Custom 3" Catback with Magnaflow mufflers, all stainless steel
with TIG welding.
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Sadly, he sold the car.
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yeah oh yeah i told the guy that owned the scion that if Toyota didn't over build that motor the most id push would be 7 psi. but when i was looking his motor up they beef it up a bit. uh the injectors are 550cc? or something maybe im not quite sure but ill find out here soon. my brother is building a screamer honda i think he will be using 1400-1600cc injectors. I have decent amount of knowledge when it comes to turbocharging. i have only done one turbo kit though. i mostly know theory but theory and reality are two different things. we were going to do a 240sx but the guy didnt have anything so we told him what he needed and he hasnt been back. I was going to turbo the vulcan but ill just slap a m90 on it and maybe put a grand into the heads till i can get the 3.0L duratec and all built up for the swap.
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yeah my bro is planning on running 800-900 horsepower. there is gonna be about 4 700-900 hp hondas around here pretty soon. we got a couple 1000hp mustangs and Camaro's that hang around here. and 1500Rwhp on a crx? at 10psi what turbo were yall running and what motor?. yeah the one dude that sounds like the fast and furious guy will probably do what you mentioned.
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11-27-2009
yeah my bro is planning on running 800-900 horsepower. there is gonna be about 4 700-900 hp hondas around here pretty soon. we got a couple 1000hp mustangs and Camaro's that hang around here. and 1500Rwhp on a crx? at 10psi what turbo were yall running and what motor?. yeah the one dude that sounds like the fast and furious guy will probably do what you mentioned.
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11-27-2009
I think we had put almost $100,000 into that car over all. Sadly the man that paid us to do this died of lung cancer and when he was told he had lung cancer he only had 2 months to live he sold that car and died a month later. That car was bought by a Teenager and alcohol got involved. That teenager died in the hospital down in Mobile,Alabama.
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wow seriously holy crap thats a lot of cash! man that sucks. yeah some teenagers think they can drive whatever you throw at them. I personally am a teenager but i would work my way up power wise. no way would i go from a stock car to a 1500 horsepower car. that's just asking to get killed! yeah fast and furious is cool and all that but it also makes people think that you can throw "NOS" on a motor without consequences. turbos and all that take a lot more knowledge then hey put this on!!!!
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11-27-2009
wow seriously holy crap thats a lot of cash! man that sucks. yeah some teenagers think they can drive whatever you throw at them. I personally am a teenager but i would work my way up power wise. no way would i go from a stock car to a 1500 horsepower car. that's just asking to get killed! yeah fast and furious is cool and all that but it also makes people think that you can throw "NOS" on a motor without consequences. turbos and all that take a lot more knowledge then hey put this on!!!!
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It does bolt up, the Vulcan and Duratec bolt pattern are the same.
