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sound like a nice system?

hey guys i just wanted some input on a system i gonna put in my 98 regular cab. i am building a custom box for my subs.They fit 2 Pioneer ts-sw251 subs, they are thin mount and have enough air space and what not. I'm also going to put 2, 5 1\4 inch Pioneer TS-G1343R speakers in my doors, with 2 Alpine 5x7 inch SPS-507 speakers in the rear mounts behind the seats with a 60 watt amp for my speakers and a Sound Ordnance m-1500for my subs, it is rated at 300 watts rms for 4 ohm, but mine will be in 2 ohm so it will push 500 watts rms. the entire system will cost about 650 bucks but i think it is about worth it, just wanted to know what other people thought of the idea. comment and make suggestions please, thanx in advance
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You would be better off with 6 1/2 or 6x8 speakers in the front.. The larger they are, the better chance you have to make some decent mid-bass up front, which is normally the biggest challenge in any car.
you want the sound to come from the front as much as you can. adding rear speakers will only "pull" the sound to the rear. If you take my advice on the rear speakers that should free up more money to spend on bigger better front speakers, which are the most important speakers in the entire system.

Ideally for best sound you would want all of the speakers to be in front of you including the sub, but since having a sub up front is not usually possible, the compromise is to put it in the rear which is not so bad since low frequencies (160hz and below) are difficult to locate which direction they originate from.
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Pioneer is crap. I've never, and i mean NEVER had any luck with pioneer anything. I bought speakers from them and had them blown within a week, barely pushing the system.
as for the setup, you want a balance between front and back, usually with heavier speakers up front to match the sub in the back.
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That's an awfully general statement about pioneer. They actually make some excellent high end gear, but I would not doubt that, like many manufactures, they skimp out on quality in their low end line of products. but even so 90% of the time equipment failure is do to user error.

Ask any knowledgeable car audio enthusiast if a balanced (front and rear spks) system is the best way to setup a sound system, they will tell you no every time.
"rear fill" can be used to add ambiance, but is takes a dsp with time alignment, and eq in order to prevent them from destroying the front image.

If you were at a concert, where does the sound come from? The band up on stage, not from the rear or the sides. ambiance is what comes from the rear and the sides.
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Pioneer is crap. I've never, and i mean NEVER had any luck with pioneer anything. I bought speakers from them and had them blown within a week, barely pushing the system.
as for the setup, you want a balance between front and back, usually with heavier speakers up front to match the sub in the back.
You must have done something wrong, I never had any problems with Pioneer gear. I've had speakers and decks and all served their purpose well. Even when I was a kid I had a set of Pioneer truck boxes, and I pushed them way harder than i should have for like two years until I blew them, my fault for abusing them so hard. Anyways to the OP, don't listen to this guy, RangOH knows what he's talking about.
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I do infact know what i'm talking about, I've always had a bad experience with pioneer, even their high end stuff, i find there stuff is made real cheap.
as for "rear fill". learn about acoustics.
such as this basic example.
your waves can only bounce around so much, and when they start running into each other you get sounds that unpleasing to the ear or even create a space where you cannot hear the sound. a balanced setup will reduce "dead spots" (place where sound is reduced to a minimal level)
I'm actually going to school to design this stuff, so please don't insult me by saying i don't know what i'm talking about.
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While adding speakers may reduce dead spots in some areas, they can also create them in other areas, due to phase cancellation. In a small space like a truck cab, it's completely unnecessary, and counterproductive, to build a system with "rear fill".

Focus on your soundstage up front, and balance it out with your sub. Don't waste your money on rears. Also, I will 2nd the statement of going larger up front. 5 1/4" separates rarely extend far enough into the mid-bass range to keep from having a frequency gap between your mains and your subs.
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I do infact know what i'm talking about, I've always had a bad experience with pioneer, even their high end stuff, i find there stuff is made real cheap.
as for "rear fill". learn about acoustics.
such as this basic example.
your waves can only bounce around so much, and when they start running into each other you get sounds that unpleasing to the ear or even create a space where you cannot hear the sound. a balanced setup will reduce "dead spots" (place where sound is reduced to a minimal level)
I'm actually going to school to design this stuff, so please don't insult me by saying i don't know what i'm talking about.

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ROFL Tys 4x4 FTW! My sentiments exactly.
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Yeah never had any issue with Pioneer either. 3 sets of speakers and 2 decks, no failures for the last 4 years.
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^^this
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i looked at a nice set of 6 1/2 inchs tonight when i was out they cost a few bucks more and i dont really want to cut or modify my holes or anything, and btw man, honestly i am just a kid and with all do respect, if all your going to do is get on a thread and bash on what other people say, then you should keep your wise *** comments to yourself. and my brother ran a set of pioneer 5 1/4 speakers up against a set of bose speakers from his chevy and the pioneer won, hands down. dont get me wrong bose makes incredible stuff but they were completely blown out of the water. anyways thanx but now im kinda worried about puttin rear speakers in or not?
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I'd concentrate on your fronts. Get a good quality set. IMO, if you're going to stick with smaller mains, consider going with smaller subs and running a higher crossover frequency to help with the mid-bass.
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6 1/2's fit with no modification. they sell 6x8 to 6 1/2 adapter plates for cheap or you can make your own.
Post #6 has nothing to do with the situation, post #7 is correct. no rears.
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Only thing i never really liked from pioneer is their amps, but i havent had many of them so i can't say there junk, just they have really low rms for their max power but if you know what your doing it shouldn't matter. I have had good luck with pioneer subs. Had 2 of them in my only truck that absolutley slammed for the setup and they were just the ones from walmart..
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x7553798 on 6 1/2's

I decided not to skimp out on the speaker aspect of my system. Went with focals. I was AMAZED at how clean they were and extremely happy with the mid bass. And I don't even have them running off an amp yet haha.

as said rears aren't needed. I'm just weird about my truck and opted to match the rears but sound improvement was minimum at best.
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I went with Bostons front and back, sounds nice. probably just unplug your rears, if your not doing all of them.
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thanks for all the help guys ima go with 6 12/'s now lol and thanks agian
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good man..let us know when you get them.
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