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D44 with 40" Boggers

Not really a question you'd ever face on any Ranger except a heavily modified one, but could a Dana 44 be built strong enough to hold up to 40" Boggers and a High HP/High Torque engine (we'll say roughly 350 HP, 350 Torque for the situation).

I know you could use 4340 Chromoly shafts and CTM U-joints and all the other fixen's to make it strong, but could you get a big enough spline shaft to hold up that kind of abuse?

Remember, this is coming from someone who is still fairly new the whole modification thing. I know how things work and why something breaks... I just don't have that much experience with parts and non-stock things.

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Not really a question you'd ever face on any Ranger except a heavily modified one, but could a Dana 44 be built strong enough to hold up to 40" Boggers and a High HP/High Torque engine (we'll say roughly 350 HP, 350 Torque for the situation).

I know you could use 4340 Chromoly shafts and CTM U-joints and all the other fixen's to make it strong, but could you get a big enough spline shaft to hold up that kind of abuse?

Remember, this is coming from someone who is still fairly new the whole modification thing. I know how things work and why something breaks... I just don't have that much experience with parts and non-stock things.

Thanks for any help.

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definately not. I wouldnt run more than 37s on a well built HP D44 even with my stock 4.0...
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Agreed. A D44 has a smaller ring gear and pinion than an 8.8. It's a good axle, but you'd have to really build it and truss it to be sure with tires that big.

Time to consider a D60!
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With an engine that powerful and tires that large, I'd look into rockwells myself.

Granted, if you are just lolly-gagging around town, a d44 would likely handle those tires and that engine relatively well because it wouldn't likely be engaged often. I don't think that's your intended use though. My guess would probably be a mud-bog, and in that case, you'll want a d60 or rockwells or some other much more heavy-duty axle.

Jey has broken his built-to-the-hilt d44 on 38.5s with a 3.0 motor.
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hmm but look at ryan runnin on a d30 and 38s and if im correct isent brenton runnin a d44 and gettin 40s or something along that line?
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Look at any INDIVIDUAL case you want. Look around at the other forums, magazines and so forth and you will find it AIN'T a good idea to even run 35's on a D30. He's been lucky so far or hasn't thrashed it.

It's just a matter of time and force, lol.
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ryan doesnt even have a front driveshaft does he? nor does brenton...
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Jey has broken his built-to-the-hilt d44 on 38.5s with a 3.0 motor.
jey broke a yoke on his truck with the 42s on it because the angle of the driveshaft caused the two yokes to hit each other then blew up.

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hmm but look at ryan runnin on a d30 and 38s and if im correct isent brenton runnin a d44 and gettin 40s or something along that line?
no ryan has a dana 44 under his truck.
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ryan doesnt even have a front driveshaft does he? nor does brenton...
VERY good point.

As john pointed out, D44's have a smaller carrier then a Ford 8.8 . I have less the 350ponies and have broken 8.8 Axles. Carl ( Buckgnarly ) broke one at Centralia with a bad loading over a ditch in the snow/mud.

Bigger can be better I guess
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its not a ranger but a guy i go wheeling with all the time is still running a d44 in the front on 44's, he really beats the **** out of it and its holding up suprisingly well, no special axles or any of that stuff......
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I would have to say it depends on the style of driving and vehicle setup.I've ran 38's with stock axles spooled with 5:12's,with a 90hp motor and they lasted as long as I didn't hammer on it with the wheels turn all the way to one side.I say go for
if it doesn't hold up you can alway resale the axle.
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ull be fine. thats what im fixin to do.

and people can what they want but if they dont run it than they really dont know. so take your anwsers from people who have done it.
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We are taking it from folks who have -- and way too many have breakage.
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We are taking it from folks who have -- and way too many have breakage.
no offense to u mr griggs but name one?
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Read the mags, browse the net. I'm not going to do your research for you, lol. Believe what you want to believe, but it's too weak to thrash with tires that big. Some soft mud bogging, maybe. Rocks and rough stuff, I don't think so.

Hey, as I've found myself: you can do it right, or you can do it your way. It'll cost you more in time to do it your way, lol.
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maybe on full size trucks with a lot of power will break it. i had a drive shaft in mine fore a while. never broke the 44 just the drive shaft. same as jey. and he dont go threw little mud pits he does the rocks and he hasnt run into any problems intell he ran the 42s.
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as long as you gears are setup properly,drive shaft angles are descent,and you have bumpstops to prevent you tires from biting the fender it will live for a while
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maybe on full size trucks with a lot of power will break it. i had a drive shaft in mine fore a while. never broke the 44 just the drive shaft. same as jey. and he dont go threw little mud pits he does the rocks and he hasnt run into any problems intell he ran the 42s.
Yeah, and maybe the stuff was breaking back when he ran the other tires, lol. My spindles broke 4 mounts after the "insult" to them.

You had a drive shaft on FOR A WHILE, lol? Well, that's not so much of a test is it? As I like to tell people at work: one data point does not make a trend, lol.

And I like the Jeep guys comment: it'll live for awhile...

You just can't make any point here that it'll be okay with any authority. Look around.
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i say run what you want to run, if it breaks its not like it can't be fixed. heck i've learned a lot just from the stuff ive broke and it wasnt much.

just remember you are doing it your own risk and if it breaks dont be pissed.
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I just want to know where I can get me a keyless entry keypad thats color matched
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Precisely. It annoys me when people live in denial: you can rebel against the experts if you're willing to run the risk -- but you can't say you're some kind of expert on the subject. There's just too much information out there to the contrary.

What's annoying about that is when they tell OTHERS, "It's Okay". That's just plain wrong, sorry y'all.

You CAN (as I often have) decide to risk a "cheap mod" -- but never fool yourself on it. It just makes no sense.
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Ha ha! Simple: get one and paint the bezel, lol -- that's what we did who have such things. Mine is modified Taurus keypad from early 90's Taurus's.
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Precisely. It annoys me when people live in denial: you can rebel against the experts if you're willing to run the risk -- but you can't say you're some kind of expert on the subject. There's just too much information out there to the contrary.

What's annoying about that is when they tell OTHERS, "It's Okay". That's just plain wrong, sorry y'all.

You CAN (as I often have) decide to risk a "cheap mod" -- but never fool yourself on it. It just makes no sense.
alright well its coming form a guy with a 2wd ranger on 35. like u have the set up to even talk. when u have done it and broke it then come talk to me.
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