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To me, it's not so much the quality of the oil Ford puts in the engine initially, it's the breaking in of the engine, and the microscopic metal particles possibly produced during the process that I want out of there at by 1000 miles. Odds are that it's perfectly fine, but it gives me peace of mind knowing that i've put clean oil it soon after break-in.
Should have mentioned that I also ran a Filter-Mag from day 1. Since my truck took 4 months to arrive, I ordered the Filter-Mag before I ever saw the truck. Cut open the factory filter and had some metal, but not a whole lot - 2nd filter didn't have very much metal at all.
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You're supposed to do it every 3 months OR 3000 miles, whichever comes first.
Actually your wrong, Ford recommends ever 5000 miles, look in your owners manual.
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I just do it every 3K miles or 3 months. That's what the decal the Ford dealer puts in the upper left hand corner of my windshield says anyways. And yes, I can change my oil just fine, but it's not hardly worth it for me to waller myself under it for no more than they charge to change the oil & filter, top off the fluids, and check the tire pressure. Plus I like having all the maintenance related info. in Ford's system.
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I think Ford recommends every 5,000 miles or six months, whichever comes first.

I do mine every six months regardless of the miles, because I don't put many miles on mine. I'm concerned about condensation getting into the oil over time.
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Plan on doing 7,500 mile OCI during warranty and then every 15,000 miles/12 months after that. And trust Amsoil when they claim that their S.S. 0w-30 won't void my warranty.
The ONLY Scamsoil oil product that WONT void your warranty is XL! It is the only product that is API certified, a requirement of ALL US auto manufacturers to keep the warranty valid.
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7,500k oil changes during the warranty period? I sure wouldn't admit that, Ford states in the manual 3,000 miles. Doesn't say "7,500 is fine if you use this oil"....so if something comes up, don't blab about your 7,500 interval. Because they'll toss that warranty claim out the window. And you're planning on 15,000k oil changes after the warranty period? You're crazy, you ain't running a BMW man..
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7,500k oil changes during the warranty period? I sure wouldn't admit that, Ford states in the manual 3,000 miles. Doesn't say "7,500 is fine if you use this oil"....so if something comes up, don't blab about your 7,500 interval. Because they'll toss that warranty claim out the window. And you're planning on 15,000k oil changes after the warranty period? You're crazy, you ain't running a BMW man..
Unfortunately he has been brainwashed by Scamsoil, very typical of MLM companies:

http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html

http://www.shop-money-time.com/main/id45.html



And check this out! It's the height of deceit, they put API CJ-4 on the label, to try and make you believe it's API CJ-4 certified (latest diesel rating) and this oil
isn't API certified AT ALL!!!

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/deo.aspx

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7,500k oil changes during the warranty period? I sure wouldn't admit that, Ford states in the manual 3,000 miles. Doesn't say "7,500 is fine if you use this oil"....so if something comes up, don't blab about your 7,500 interval. Because they'll toss that warranty claim out the window. And you're planning on 15,000k oil changes after the warranty period? You're crazy, you ain't running a BMW man..
Read a NEW Ford owner's manual - it states very clearly: "Normal Schedule: 7,500 miles or 6 months, whichever occurs first" ...and it just so happens that I drive just about 7,500 miles every six months. Man, ACEA A5/B5 rated oil is probably even better oil than a BMW's needs, but I'll still use it in my Ford.

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Unfortunately he has been brainwashed by Scamsoil, very typical of MLM companies:
Unfortunately you felt the need to throw another anti-Amsoil hissy fit. And I still never got an answer to my question as to how Amsoil's cheapest entry level oil can earn that magic API certification, while their vastly superior base oils/superior additives oils don't cut the mustard? Care to explain, I mean cry about it? Because Amsoil refuses to save an exhaust converter to sacrifice a cam bearing? And don't blame Amsoil/"brainwashed" for FORD deciding to push their oil change/maintenance levels to 7,500 mile intervals.

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K well I was basing that off my '05. So I don't have a new manual sitting around. 7,500 is fine then, but 15,000 is rediculous. Also consider a BMW has nearly DOUBLE the oil capacity and runs near 15,000 intervals and it is calculated based on driving conditions. Nobody is looking to drag you down with your decisions, I don't think anyone here is wanting you to harm your engine. So don't be so offensive, you started a post that you probably figured would cause a sturr.

Don't start comparing your Ford engine to a BMW man, there isn't much to compare lol.

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K well I was basing that off my '05. So I don't have a new manual sitting around. 7,500 is fine then, but 15,000 is rediculous. Also consider a BMW has nearly DOUBLE the oil capacity and runs near 15,000 intervals...

I wouldn't push the XL series Amsoil past 7,500 with a Wix filter, but I wouldn't lose 1 minute of sleep running Amsoil SS or HP series oil with an Amsoil Ea filter 15,000/1 year. Especially since I see 150,000 - 200,000 mile cars in my shop every week that continue to run 15k-20+k/2year OCI on conventional oil no matter how often I gripe about it. Amazingly, they still run and sound pretty good...for now - I would never push plain Valvoline 20k, for any reason. BTW, I also use a FilterMag just for the heck of it.
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The ONLY Scamsoil oil product that WONT void your warranty is XL! It is the only product that is API certified, a requirement of ALL US auto manufacturers to keep the warranty valid.
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I just got some Amsoil 25,000miles or 1 year oil. hehe
BTW does anyone know how long Wix filters are rated for. I figured i'd change the filter six monthes in which would be about 5,000 miles.
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Unfortunately you felt the need to throw another anti-Amsoil hissy fit. And I still never got an answer to my question as to how Amsoil's cheapest entry level oil can earn that magic API certification, while their vastly superior base oils/superior additives oils don't cut the mustard? Care to explain, I mean cry about it? Because Amsoil refuses to save an exhaust converter to sacrifice a cam bearing? And don't blame Amsoil/"brainwashed" for FORD deciding to push their oil change/maintenance levels to 7,500 mile intervals.


I want you to explain why there are NO SCAMSOIL products that will pass VW & Audi's Sludge test? Mobil 1 products did!!!!!!!
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And I still never got an answer to my question as to how Amsoil's cheapest entry level oil can earn that magic API certification, while their vastly superior base oils/superior additives oils don't cut the mustard?

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I want you to explain why there are NO SCAMSOIL products that will pass VW & Audi's Sludge test? Mobil 1 products did!!!!!!!
Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?
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I want you to explain why there are NO SCAMSOIL products that will pass VW & Audi's Sludge test? Mobil 1 products did!!!!!!!
Last time I checked there is a Ford badge on my truck. Also people on this forum have gone with the 15K oil change interval with Amsoil products and have had no problems whatsoever. See real world testing not some BS you read on the internet. Where is your testing?

And that sludge problem on VW and Audi motors was due to a crappy engine design. The 2.7TT in the first S4s suffered the worst. All oils in that engine caused sludge if not changed often. There was a recall on it.

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And I still never got an answer to my question as to how Amsoil's cheapest entry level oil can earn that magic API certification, while their vastly superior base oils/superior additives oils don't cut the mustard?



Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?
You keep right on believing the Scamsoil lies, they really sucked you in bad!!!

Again, check out these links....let me know if you have any trouble comprehending the list of APPROVED OILS:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/vw_tb_17-05-04.pdf

http://dejong947.com/audi/tsb/audi.tb.17-05-01.pdf
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Last time I checked there is a Ford badge on my truck. Also people on this forum have gone with the 15K oil change interval with Amsoil products and have had no problems whatsoever. See real world testing not some BS you read on the internet. Where is your testing?

And that sludge problem on VW and Audi motors was due to a crappy engine design. The 2.7TT in the first S4s suffered the worst. All oils in that engine caused sludge if not changed often. There was a recall on it.
Exactly!! Matter of fact VW & Audi developed their own oil tests for sludging,

And NO Scamsoil product passed the test.....again here are the list of oils that DO PASS:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/vw_tb_17-05-04.pdf

http://dejong947.com/audi/tsb/audi.tb.17-05-01.pdf


Anybody in their correct mind would no not to run a motor oil for 15K (or 25K miles!!) According to Blackstone Labs, UOA will not tell you if oil has degraded to the point of sludging!!! So testing? I know better than to run an oil that long in one of my vehicles, period!!!

And Christian, it's no surprise that you would start using Scamsoil, you seem to be real tight with your "friend" with the Pontiac, that uses it!!
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Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?


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You keep right on believing the Scamsoil lies, they really sucked you in bad!!!
So, sadsack, you're saying that Mobil 1 DID have the stones to take Amsoil's challenge? You have the test results? - show me. Thanks.
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Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?




So, sadsack, you're saying that Mobil 1 DID have the stones to take Amsoil's challenge? You have the test results? - show me. Thanks.
You are really pathetic! I really feel sorry for anybody that will fall for Scamsoil's BS!! Scamsoil preys on the weak!!!
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Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?

This is a great example of how Scamsoil has misled you!!! The high performance German cars have always (and still do) use Castrol as a factory fill, never Mobil 1. Corvette, and Viper use Mobil 1!! I have yet to see the Scamsoil logo on an oil filler cap!!!!!


These are the recommendations by BMW if you do not use their BMW High Performance Synthetic 05-30w (Castrol) Oil:

Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30
Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30
Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30

.....and not a single Scamsoil product listed!!!!!!!!!!!


And check this out......How will your Scamsoil sponsor explain this one to you????


http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...82&newsLang=en



And even more...........

"Cadillac joins a stellar group of renowned automotive brands that rely on the outstanding performance and strong anti-wear engine protection that Mobil 1 delivers to cars, trucks and SUVs," said Tom Olszewski, Group Technical Leader, ExxonMobil Lubricants & Specialties. "An automaker's choice of Mobil 1 as factory-fill is their seal of approval. Being factory-fill conveys a great level of confidence about Mobil 1 to millions of consumers who seek the manufacturer's recommendation about motor oil."

Mobil 1 is also original equipment in other high-performance vehicles, including the Chevrolet Corvette, all Porsche models, Mercedes-Benz AMG, Dodge Viper, Ford Mustang Cobra R, and Aston Martin models. All new Mercedes-Benz vehicles sold in the U.S. are equipped with an engine decal approving Mobil 1. Land Rover also approves Mobil 1.

ExxonMobil engineers recommend that consumers follow the viscosity grade and API service category recommendations in vehicle owner's manuals.




....and more:

Mobil 1 is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in:

Acura RDX
Aston Martin
All Bentley Vehicles
All Cadillac Vehicles
Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
Chrysler 300C SRT-8
Cobalt SS S/C Coupe
Dodge Caliber SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8
Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
Mercedes-Benz AMG Vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi Evolution
Pontiac Solstice GXP
All Porsche Vehicles
Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line
Viper SRT-10

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That reminds me, I'm due for an oil change.
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Looks like an evasion to me. And didn't VW/Audi, GM, Porche, etc... just DROP Mobil 1 from their "factory fill" and refill recommendations because Mobil1 doesn't meet their minimum ACEA A3/B3 standards? BTW, how many times has Mobil 1 REFUSED Amsoil's open challenges to have their top oils tested against each other? 10, 15 times?

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This is a great example of how Scamsoil has misled you!!! The high performance German cars have always (and still do) use Castrol as a factory fill, never Mobil 1. Corvette, and Viper use Mobil 1!! I have yet to see the Scamsoil logo on an oil filler cap!!!!!
Keword you missed there was "refill"...

No uber chin-quiverer, I didn't read that at an Amsoil site, I read it on a GM board where a guy working at a BMW dealership was talking about the memo reminding to NEVER use Mobil 1 during servicing, especially since some M1 has dropped below A3/B3 in some cases, and seems like he mentioned that some of their Base 4 oils have dropped to a Base 3. Does that sound about right?

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So, sadsack, you're saying that Mobil 1 DID have the stones to take Amsoil's challenge? You have the test results? - show me. Thanks.


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You are really pathetic! I really feel sorry for anybody that will fall for Scamsoil's BS!! Scamsoil preys on the weak!!!

You really are pathetic! I really feel sorry for anybody that would allow a product to torment, frustrate and make them become so bitter and enraged every time they see their "name" mentioned. Amsoil must have really done a number on your weak little tender sensitivity.

Perhaps it was this article by a very well respected source: Brought to you by Detroit, Michigan Truck and Automotive Engineers and Lubrication Specialists

"The ONLY Degreed Mechanical and Truck/Automotive Engineers on the net with 23 years experience specializing in engine, powertrain/chassis engineering, performance and synthetic motor oil lubrication and filtration"

http://www.performanceoiltechnology....lvs.Mobil1.htm
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