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Fram "Made in Indonesia"

Noticed a difference in the Fram PH9566 oil filter for the 2.3 Duratec and most every other Fram PH filter I've ever seen - The Indonesian filter doesn't have the black grip surface and looks like they use a higher quality of orange paint in Indonesia, has a plastic seal at the base, and mainly looks like a lot better filter. I stock Wix filters and I noticed on a very few number of Wix filters you'll get a white Wix instead of the normal black filter. One Wix PN for example is 57073, which is made in Indonesia instead of "Gastonia, NC" and with the exception of the paint color it looks identical in design to the Indonesian Fram filter. Just thought I'd mention it.
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I'll stick with Wix or Motorcraft which is a Purolator filter anyways..


cut open a fram and you will never touch that garbage again
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I'll stick with Wix or Motorcraft which is a Purolator filter anyways..


cut open a fram and you will never touch that garbage again

True statement, about 99.9% of the PH Fram filters I've seen, but in this case if you say the PH9566 is garbage...then I'd have to say Wix must be garbage because the "Made in Indonesia" versions look 100% identical in design and quality, and I know Wix is a good filter.




This is the Indonesian Wix filter and the PH9566 design looks exactly the same except for the color - Not like any Fram PH filter I've ever seen before. Generally I'd never use a Fram oil filter, but this one I wouldn't be afraid to use. Right now I'm using Motorcraft.
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I've yet to have a problem with fram. I always get the TG filter.
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I'll stick with Wix or Motorcraft which is a Purolator filter anyways..


cut open a fram and you will never touch that garbage again
agree. my autozone always has fram deals where you get a free fram filter with 5 qts and i always get the fram plus a motorcraft. i have a few frams just lying around that will never be used
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ive always used pennzoil synthetic and a high mileage tough guard fram filter and it hasn't failed me yet, no leak and everything runs fine even with my 90,000mile engine, i have used motorcraft in the past and haven't had any problems either...
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I have always used fram. Never had a problem and dont plan on changing. Its what we use at work to on everything.

Its mostly about personal choice
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i just like to support american made. Plus I dont like Frams
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i converted over from fram about 10 years ago after my friend showed me one opened up, from now on its nothing but either mobil 1, or WIX filters
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inside of a Fram filter....

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If anything, the Fram will show you how NOT to build a high performance oil filter. Notice that the endcaps are cardboard. They appear similar to the chipboard that you would find at the back of a legal paper pad. I could pull outward from the edge of the endcap and little bits of paper would stick to my fingers. The author of the car filter study reports having engine damage caused by bits of paper and glue from one of these filters floating about in his engine. Note that the front seal and the bypass valve assembly both press-fit to the inside of the cardboard endcap. The seal is not very good, and could possibly allow dirty oil to leak back into the engine. Externally, the filter has only a few threads to engage the mount, and the gasket is a square section, which does not offer as good a seal as a semi O-ring type, nor does it allow good deformation or easy removal. This unit is the largest and lightest of the lot. AVOID THIS FILTER.







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This filter uses a square gasket like some others in this list, but unlike any others, it does not use metal crimps to hold the gasket in place. The gasket has small ***** around the inside that loosely grip the mount. The filter element mates at the front with a rubber seal, and has an integral bypass valve that is rubber sealed at the back. Like the NAPA/WIX filter, this filter uses a much narrower element than most. In addition, it has many more pleats than any other.





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The bypass valve is at the front of the filter element, instead of the back, like the others. It is a separate assembly that press fits into the filter element.The front seal uses a sharp sealing surface the keeps the seal very firmly captive between the threads and the bypass assembly. All in all, a good looking filter. I have my reservations about the filter element being so small, but the filter is well constructed. This filter is manufactured in Gastonia, North Carolina. Since I live not too far away, I might attempt to get down to their factory offices to see if I can find someone with good information.







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This could be my new favorite filter. The nut on the can allows for easy removal and is drilled for safety wire! For the space constrained, the nut can be a blessing or a curse. You won't need to contort yourself to get a filter wrench on it, but if you are alredy short on clearance to your pipes or other obstructions, fugeddaboudit. The nut adds about 3/8th's of an inch to the overall length. The bypass valve is sealed with a rubber gasket. The mouting gasket is semi-O-ring. The filter element itself is dyed K & N's signature red color. How cute (for something you wouldn't ordinarily see)!


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just after seeing those pictures if you still want a fram filter you people are morons..
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Motorcraft only.
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Motorcraft only.
which is made by purolator.
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ive always used fram and motorcraft. but whats so bad about them?
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ive always used fram and motorcraft. but whats so bad about them?
what happens when cardboard gets wet?
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i see. so how much is KN?
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i see. so how much is KN?
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purolator are motorcraft are wix. i dont like fram and never will have one on their filters on any of my cars
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smart ***...
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Subject says: Fram "Made in Indonesia" - point being that not all Fram filters are the same. Guessing. Perhaps I'll cut a PH9566 open and look for any signs of cardboard, but if I find any...then I'll wonder if certain foreign made WIX filters in my cabinet are full of cardboard also.
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ive always used fram and motorcraft. but whats so bad about them?
motorcraft is fine



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Subject says: Fram "Made in Indonesia" - point being that not all Fram filters are the same. Guessing. Perhaps I'll cut a PH9566 open and look for any signs of cardboard, but if I find any...then I'll wonder if certain foreign made WIX filters in my cabinet are full of cardboard also.
i have never seen a indonesia wix nor would i install it..
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i have never seen a indonesia wix nor would i install it..

I've installed many, I'm always impressed with its heft and the "quality" that I can actually see without tearing it up, but I just wonder why they decided to paint a Wix filter white instead of black.
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smart ***...
Not a smart ***, just a smarter *** than you.

I only use Wix in mine, after I bought a Fram at work, one of the guys snagged it from me and cut it in half. Needless to say I stick with the Wix.
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Not a smart ***, just a smarter *** than you.

I only use Wix in mine, after I bought a Fram at work, one of the guys snagged it from me and cut it in half. Needless to say I stick with the Wix.
I think that comment was for me. Click the link and you will see why.
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