pa body lift inquiry.
#1
pa body lift inquiry.
for those of you with body lifts, how sturdy do you think they are.
??
heres my thoughts.
I have a relatively large engine and drivetrain that will be going into my truck eventually. and was kind of thinking that a body lift would allow the engine to go in much smoother and would allow me to tuck as much of the drivetrain up as I could. and with a link suspension it would allow me to set the ride height correctly so that it shouldn't sit too high. But will the pa body lift hold up to the abuse??
heres the info. cummins 4bt-nv4500-np203-np205 d60/d70
what do you all think?
good idea? bad idea? someone have a better way to accomplish the same goal?
thanks all.
??
heres my thoughts.
I have a relatively large engine and drivetrain that will be going into my truck eventually. and was kind of thinking that a body lift would allow the engine to go in much smoother and would allow me to tuck as much of the drivetrain up as I could. and with a link suspension it would allow me to set the ride height correctly so that it shouldn't sit too high. But will the pa body lift hold up to the abuse??
heres the info. cummins 4bt-nv4500-np203-np205 d60/d70
what do you all think?
good idea? bad idea? someone have a better way to accomplish the same goal?
thanks all.
#3
Originally Posted by Red_Ak_Ranger
umm,
Engine attaches to the frame of your vehicle, not the body. So PA body lift is not affected by engine weight.
Engine attaches to the frame of your vehicle, not the body. So PA body lift is not affected by engine weight.
I understand where it all attaches.
by large I meant dimension wise.. its pretty tall so the extra three inches would give me some more clearance putting it in.
#4
guys with big mud trucks often run body lifts
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires.
Reread previous post.
The body lift should hold up to any mud you put it through. The rocks will push your truck to its limits so a body lift changes things.
A body lift should hold up okay on the rocks. But then again when rock crawling things are going to break.
I have heard of guys jumping trucks with a BL and no problems but the more you put them through the more chance you have for it to fail. I trust my body lift in mud everyday of the week. but put the truck in a frame twisting rock crawling situation and there is going to be some extra body flex due to the body lift.
The body lift will get you what you want and I say you should go for it.
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires.
Reread previous post.
The body lift should hold up to any mud you put it through. The rocks will push your truck to its limits so a body lift changes things.
A body lift should hold up okay on the rocks. But then again when rock crawling things are going to break.
I have heard of guys jumping trucks with a BL and no problems but the more you put them through the more chance you have for it to fail. I trust my body lift in mud everyday of the week. but put the truck in a frame twisting rock crawling situation and there is going to be some extra body flex due to the body lift.
The body lift will get you what you want and I say you should go for it.
#5
Originally Posted by bryanjints
guys with big mud trucks often run body lifts
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires. The body is not affected by the torque unless we are talking about a rocket car.
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires. The body is not affected by the torque unless we are talking about a rocket car.
im not worried about that. without boxing the frame the cummins would twist it like a pretzel.
and I know the body isn't affected directly by the torque.. im on a roll really.
Im worried about the indirect effects, the thrashing the whole truck will be taking overall, if a body lift will hold up to it. Ive heard they hold up to rollovers ok so Im thinking I would be ok with it...
#6
Originally Posted by bryanjints
guys with big mud trucks often run body lifts
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires.
Reread previous post.
The body lift should hold up to any mud you put it through. The rocks will push your truck to its limits so a body lift changes things.
A body lift should hold up okay on the rocks. But then again when rock crawling things are going to break.
I have heard of guys jumping trucks with a BL and no problems but the more you put them through the more chance you have for it to fail. I trust my body lift in mud everyday of the week. but put the truck in a frame twisting rock crawling situation and there is going to be some extra body flex due to the body lift.
The body lift will get you what you want and I say you should go for it.
And like said the drivetrain is not going to affect the body. The body attaches to the frame. The strength is in the frame. The frame is what needs to handle your torque and tires.
Reread previous post.
The body lift should hold up to any mud you put it through. The rocks will push your truck to its limits so a body lift changes things.
A body lift should hold up okay on the rocks. But then again when rock crawling things are going to break.
I have heard of guys jumping trucks with a BL and no problems but the more you put them through the more chance you have for it to fail. I trust my body lift in mud everyday of the week. but put the truck in a frame twisting rock crawling situation and there is going to be some extra body flex due to the body lift.
The body lift will get you what you want and I say you should go for it.
#7
Originally Posted by icb12
awesome.. preciate the response. now with a boxed frame, do you think the body will be flexing more than normal? would machined aluminum blocks with different bolts be a much better way to go? or not really worth it.?
I think a boxed frame will do good. I think that will take out much of your body twisting as well as frame flexing. And like you said a body lift will hold up to a rollover so I think you will be good. The PA lift blocks are sturdy and I think machined aluminum would be over kill but it would be a cool custom job if it wasn't too expensive.
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#13
Originally Posted by Bumpncarstereo
off topic, but take lots of pics of the 4bt swap
seriously though.. it will be a while. I was throwing the body lift think around in my head and wanted some opinions. I got a couple links for 4bt swaps though if your interested..
#15
Originally Posted by bryanjints
i'd be interested in seeing some of those links for 4bt swaps if you wouldn't mind posting them up
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...=428552&page=2
http://www.mooktank.com/automotive/myrig.htm
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/index.php
http://www.fordcummins.com/
that last one is more for full size stuff.. 6bts and such but some ok stuff there.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302523
those are probably the ones Ive used the most. the 4bt forum is pretty darn good.
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#18
Originally Posted by icb12
for those of you with body lifts, how sturdy do you think they are.
??
heres my thoughts.
I have a relatively large engine and drivetrain that will be going into my truck eventually. and was kind of thinking that a body lift would allow the engine to go in much smoother and would allow me to tuck as much of the drivetrain up as I could. and with a link suspension it would allow me to set the ride height correctly so that it shouldn't sit too high. But will the pa body lift hold up to the abuse??
heres the info. cummins 4bt-nv4500-np203-np205 d60/d70
what do you all think?
good idea? bad idea? someone have a better way to accomplish the same goal?
thanks all.
??
heres my thoughts.
I have a relatively large engine and drivetrain that will be going into my truck eventually. and was kind of thinking that a body lift would allow the engine to go in much smoother and would allow me to tuck as much of the drivetrain up as I could. and with a link suspension it would allow me to set the ride height correctly so that it shouldn't sit too high. But will the pa body lift hold up to the abuse??
heres the info. cummins 4bt-nv4500-np203-np205 d60/d70
what do you all think?
good idea? bad idea? someone have a better way to accomplish the same goal?
thanks all.
And I wouldn't worry about the body lift, your/mine main concerns will be that the frame is gusseted and boxed.
-TJ
EDIT:
And for anyone interested I am a member over at 4btswaps.com and it is a great forum, much like this one.
#19
#20
Originally Posted by zabeard
I was chevking those out a while back. seems like you could put the 700r4 behind the 4bt and then maybe run the ranger stuff (if it holds up) kinda like the setup graniteguy has.
anyway would be cool to have the 4bt but i will never do it.
anyway would be cool to have the 4bt but i will never do it.
-TJ
EDIT:
For anyone interested my current project guide looks like this:
Phase 1 - D30 and 7" Lift (4" suspension, 3" body) with 35's
Phase 2 - D60's
Phase 3 - Diesel
#23
Originally Posted by tjf0288
And why are you stealing my EXACT driveline plans??!!!!!
And I wouldn't worry about the body lift, your/mine main concerns will be that the frame is gusseted and boxed.
-TJ
EDIT:
And for anyone interested I am a member over at 4btswaps.com and it is a great forum, much like this one.
And I wouldn't worry about the body lift, your/mine main concerns will be that the frame is gusseted and boxed.
-TJ
EDIT:
And for anyone interested I am a member over at 4btswaps.com and it is a great forum, much like this one.
were you going to go with a ford or gm np203?? I can't seem to decide.. i hear the ford will only need one hole fudged a little to mate to the nv if clocked upside down. but the chevy version can be redrilled no problem to match just fine, but the input splines have to be changed out to match...
and yeah we are going to have to box the shiat outa the frame. I think I might throw my 8.8 under there momentarily just to get a video of it snapping..
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Originally Posted by icb12
how long can you wait for em lol.. its sitting in a storage unit waiting for a rebuild aka money and time. collecting other misc parts right now. trying to get all the parts together and built in good condition so in a year or two I can rip the bad mamma apart and insert the goodies. Got tons and tons of ideas and plans..a few parts now.. and im lying in wait like a cheatah for an antelope waiting for that mysterious windfall of cash...
seriously though.. it will be a while. I was throwing the body lift think around in my head and wanted some opinions. I got a couple links for 4bt swaps though if your interested..
seriously though.. it will be a while. I was throwing the body lift think around in my head and wanted some opinions. I got a couple links for 4bt swaps though if your interested..
i dont plan on getting rid of my truck for a long time, and i plan on sticking around here, so i can wait.