Range Edge - am i getting taken for a ride
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Range Edge - am i getting taken for a ride
I took my 2003 Ford Ranger Edge (V6 3Liter 72,000miles) to the dealer today to get my oil changed and have him look at why my truck is making a lot of noise when it idel.
I thought it was the catalytic converter, but it turns out it was the Throw out bearing. The rep said since it's the same labor, they usually replace the entire assembly and replace the clutch.
The also found other items wrong, but it sounds like an upsell. He said the upper control arms are ok now, but should be replaced because of the mileage of the truck.
Also the front shocks are bad (per rep) and i need an alignment.
I'm holding off on the shocks and the alignment because i have not noticed any problems, i'm also holding off on the upper control arms.
Are the prices he quoted me the norm, or is he trying overcharge me?
Upper control Arms $299.00 (parts) $449 (labor)
Front shocks $122.00 (parts) $92 (labor)
Alignment $70.00 (labor)
Clutch kit $381 (parts, inc new clutch) $525 (labor)
Total of $1773, i went in for an oil change and tire rotation.
How do i tell if the upper control arms are actually bad?
The shocks seem a bit worn, but not to where they affect handling.
Thanks for any help or input you guys got...
I thought it was the catalytic converter, but it turns out it was the Throw out bearing. The rep said since it's the same labor, they usually replace the entire assembly and replace the clutch.
The also found other items wrong, but it sounds like an upsell. He said the upper control arms are ok now, but should be replaced because of the mileage of the truck.
Also the front shocks are bad (per rep) and i need an alignment.
I'm holding off on the shocks and the alignment because i have not noticed any problems, i'm also holding off on the upper control arms.
Are the prices he quoted me the norm, or is he trying overcharge me?
Upper control Arms $299.00 (parts) $449 (labor)
Front shocks $122.00 (parts) $92 (labor)
Alignment $70.00 (labor)
Clutch kit $381 (parts, inc new clutch) $525 (labor)
Total of $1773, i went in for an oil change and tire rotation.
How do i tell if the upper control arms are actually bad?
The shocks seem a bit worn, but not to where they affect handling.
Thanks for any help or input you guys got...
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you should seriously invest in a 150 piece craftsman tool set, and a Hanes Shop manual for your truck.
While at sears, get yourself a small air compressor, and a decent impact gun...
You can get all this, for about $600.
Then, on a nice day off, do the work yourself. The Hanes Manual has neat little pictures for retards like us, that makes fixing this crap alot easier. Plus, as an added bonus, any questions can be directed at the forum.
Ofcourse the alignment should be done at a shop...
Now with that out of the way, my truck has 70K miles on it aswell. a 2004. while my front shocks squeak, i wouldnt call them 'worn' just yet. I have more pressing issues to contend with, like my W shaped leafs
While at sears, get yourself a small air compressor, and a decent impact gun...
You can get all this, for about $600.
Then, on a nice day off, do the work yourself. The Hanes Manual has neat little pictures for retards like us, that makes fixing this crap alot easier. Plus, as an added bonus, any questions can be directed at the forum.
Ofcourse the alignment should be done at a shop...
Now with that out of the way, my truck has 70K miles on it aswell. a 2004. while my front shocks squeak, i wouldnt call them 'worn' just yet. I have more pressing issues to contend with, like my W shaped leafs
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Would love to do the upper control arms and front shocks myself, but i don't really have any place to work on that right now.
I don't think i would want to do the thowout bearing myself.
I called around, found a shop (AAMCO) that will do it for $350 for the parts (OEM, not aftermarket) and $375 for the labor. Is that still too high? That includes the bearing, the clutch and sending the flywheel out.
Found another shop that will do it for $250 parts & $340 labor. Since cash is in short supply, i'm going with the cheape option. (the 2nd shop does some work for the company i work for)
I don't think i would want to do the thowout bearing myself.
I called around, found a shop (AAMCO) that will do it for $350 for the parts (OEM, not aftermarket) and $375 for the labor. Is that still too high? That includes the bearing, the clutch and sending the flywheel out.
Found another shop that will do it for $250 parts & $340 labor. Since cash is in short supply, i'm going with the cheape option. (the 2nd shop does some work for the company i work for)
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FWIW, I last rebuilt my front suspension around 100k Everything was shot.
The thing is you can align these trucks much as when the alignment is off its because wheel bearings or ball joints are worn out. You replace them and all of a sudden you don't need one anymore.
There is no doubt in my mind you need all that work. The front suspension can be a PITA without some knowledge and tools.
This one being my time saver.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...&blockType=G43
You will also need 21 and 22 mm wrenches for the stock lowers and tie rod ends, and what ever bigger size the new ones come in. These tools don't usually come in the basic sets.
At those prices you can do the uppers, you will just need a few tools, 15mm 13 and the 21mm IIRC. Then the hammer to pop the UCAs up out of the spindles. Save you about 400 bucks.
Also shop around if this doesn't sound like your thing.
The thing is you can align these trucks much as when the alignment is off its because wheel bearings or ball joints are worn out. You replace them and all of a sudden you don't need one anymore.
There is no doubt in my mind you need all that work. The front suspension can be a PITA without some knowledge and tools.
This one being my time saver.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...&blockType=G43
You will also need 21 and 22 mm wrenches for the stock lowers and tie rod ends, and what ever bigger size the new ones come in. These tools don't usually come in the basic sets.
At those prices you can do the uppers, you will just need a few tools, 15mm 13 and the 21mm IIRC. Then the hammer to pop the UCAs up out of the spindles. Save you about 400 bucks.
Also shop around if this doesn't sound like your thing.
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If you knew HALF what you think you know about your truck, you would know that the OE upper control arms and balljoints are one piece units, and it's a GREAT idea to replace them with Moog ones so in the future you can just replace the balljoint (when that wears out)
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I know the Upper Control Arms from the factory have ball joints that can't be pressed out.
I checked.
Ford designed them to be that way, so you had to buy the whole thing when they went bad. however several companies started making new UCA's to fill that market gap, ones with replaceable Ball Joints. Moog for example happens to be one of the best.
If you don't wish to (or can't) do the work yourself, i HIGHLY recommend going to a repair shop and getting a quote for everything you listed above. I can almost guarantee it will be cheaper than the dealer's price.
I checked.
Ford designed them to be that way, so you had to buy the whole thing when they went bad. however several companies started making new UCA's to fill that market gap, ones with replaceable Ball Joints. Moog for example happens to be one of the best.
If you don't wish to (or can't) do the work yourself, i HIGHLY recommend going to a repair shop and getting a quote for everything you listed above. I can almost guarantee it will be cheaper than the dealer's price.
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