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Old 10-15-2005
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Rear Drum brakes..

I spent the better part of today pullign of the drum brakes. I was NOT planning on this , but after last night, I had no choice as they were siezed. 'Siezed' you might ask, I would rather use the term ' Fused ' but some intellectuals on this site would have a folly with me for doing so.. anyway.. Heres some pics and a demonstration WHY drum brakes, for lack of better temrs.. ' suck '.











The pads surface material LITERALLY melted onto the drum itself. I was finally able to get the drums off in pieces. The use of 16lb sledge hammer, a set of toarches and 7 hours to do it as well.

I figured now would be the best time to put on that SSBC Disc conversion I've had laying here forever.. Nothing else can go wrong...

I go to mount the plates for the calipers and notice the whole is off a full centimeter ( if not more ) . I try the other bracket thinking maybe the sides have differences.. It was then I remembered I MIGHT not have a Ranger axle at all ( my factory one is in my rear storage ).

I call Bob Kennedy up and ask him ' where did this axle come from? ' .. his response ' Behind my house. we cleaned it up, built the diff and bolted it in.. did you finally break it? Its a factory axle, uncut/un-narrowed... '. WTBH else can go wrong?

So.. I'm thinking I can just toss the ranger axle back in.. I go to lift it and the axle slides right out... wonderful.

So I gather some of the pieces from the old drum up and off to the parts store I go.

The drums are 10 3/4 inch. Its off an 03 lvl2, thus the 31 spline axles originally that were replaced by Moser's.

14hrs later.. Its back together.



Wide tires eh?

This was a small cost in my book.. the time, money.. it was well worth it. For those that know the story, I beat the Yenko, HANDS DOWN, uncontested. I would have pulled even harder on him but we both had to hit the brakes.. a cop rolled out in front of us.. with his lights on.. I might need a lift to the Detroit meet cause I don't fell like wearing out my sneakers.. pops is pissed, first speeding ticket for him in 20+ years..
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Looks like you had your hands full D, sucks about the ticket and stuff. Talk to ya soon.
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so wait you had a 31 spline axle? sweet. so what ya running now? the 28 spline stock one? cause the kit should fit on that one


if not, send it my way... hehehehe
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28 spline and 31 spline Ranger axles can mount the exact same brakes. There are no differences in mounting.
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Drums, SUCK!

looks like the parking brake may have be sticking slightly and "fused" the shoe to the drum over time...
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Drums, SUCK!
I 100% agree!
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Over time, Kiel? No, he did it going from 145 MPH to ZERO in record time, lol...
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28 spline and 31 spline Ranger axles can mount the exact same brakes. There are no differences in mounting.

but if i remember correctly, they cant mount the same disc brake conversion kit since its made for the 28spline
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It makes NO difference, Kiel. The hub is the same size, the dimensions of the mounting holes and such are the same. SSBC would have to really screw up to make something that didn't fit both since the ENTIRE drum setup, including backing plates and all, fits both.
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It makes NO difference, Kiel. The hub is the same size, the dimensions of the mounting holes and such are the same. SSBC would have to really screw up to make something that didn't fit both since the ENTIRE drum setup, including backing plates and all, fits both.
^---old timers gettin to ya ??
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It makes NO difference, Kiel. The hub is the same size, the dimensions of the mounting holes and such are the same. SSBC would have to really screw up to make something that didn't fit both since the ENTIRE drum setup, including backing plates and all, fits both.

yeah your right, and Kiel didnt say it, i did



oh well, my bad


you can still send the conversion kit over to me D...hahahaha
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D you crazy sob you where supposed to lie low so you can come to the meet...sigh...once agian no ranger...
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Yeah, my bad, lol. Kiel usually argues with me so I just ASSUMED it was him!
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Reguardless of who said what or did anything, The drum brakes on Rangers just aren't up to snuff for real stopping power :( .
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try stopping a muscle car with FOUR WHEEL DRUMS!!!...not fun.

im just waiting for a rear disc conversion for the F-Bomb...**** u drum brakes!
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im just waiting for a rear disc conversion for the F-Bomb...**** u drum brakes!
SSBC already has one out. Its about 700$
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man.... i hate drum brakes
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HA HA!

You know, for all the differing politics, personalities, and opinions we have on this board -- it seems we all do agree that...


...DRUM BRAKES DO SUCK!
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yes yes i agree...
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We need to get on Tbarcya to finish that conversion and get a list of the parts together so I can boneyard before the snow hits.
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At least your brakes worked when you needed them. Ask John my drums really really suck. The adjusters quit working so I have to manually adjust them every so often. I would love to see a set of brackets made so I could junkyard some discs myself.
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Ah, Luke, I found that NAPA has kits to rebuild the adjusters and if you like, we can get them and do it. It's about $15 a side. I may have to order them as I bought the last kits the store I use had, but they are available.
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dont forget the white grease!
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After we fussed with them John I took em apart again backed the adjuster all the way out and put some white litium grease on em and threaded em back in. My brakes just still feel really squishy.
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Mine are much better. I had to replace a wheel cylinder because one of the bleeders was non-functional. I never bled them properly from the axle change back in April!

So, I can honestly say my brakes feel better than they have for a long time. Getting them bled, and the adjusters working, has restored a LOT.

The kit I'm talking about changes that cable thingy, the plate/pawl that actually adjusts the brakes, the spring, etc. So you end up with an adjuster that is basically new when you're done and it does seem to keep the brakes tight now -- whereas before they loosened up pretty quickly.
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