Unnecessary Loudness
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Well here is something I found
Chapter 90: Section 16. Offensive or illegal operation of motor vehicles
No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.
This is just stupid because exhaust is checked for "safety" like airbags and seatbelts, are they concerned with hearing loss or something?
Aftermarket exhausts can improve power and fuel milage so they improve efficiency which is what the politicians are pushing for.
With no set db level anymore how are the police going to enforce it? Some factory exhaust are much louder than others so how do they know what the stock noise level is?
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Exactly. This is why the rule is impossible to enforce. Tell the guy it is the stock OEM muffler and that is how loud it has been since day one. They don't dB meter and they don't have a chart of how many dB a stock ford ranger exhaust is.
Inspections are all in the name of safety and insurance. So if your vehicle is insured,yet you have faulty brakes and are in an accident, why should you be covered by your insurer because you have an unfit vehicle? Why should they pay for your negligence and lack of maintenance if you get in an accident? Having an unsafe vehicle is just as bad as having an unsafe driver.
I fully agree with vehicle inspections, as annoying and picky as they are, because the last thing I want while I'm out driving is to be involved in an accident due to someone having an unsafe vehicle. Even a vehicle with the best driver cannot avoid an inevitible accident with faulty equipment.
I however DO NOT agree with emissions testing,especially in places like Ontario where more than half of the province is exempt from the program, while a small percentage of land area, but with the highest population density, gets screwed every 2 years, or on every new/used vehicle registration by shelling out $37.50 on 1988-2006 vehicles, all of which USUALLY have properly installed and functioning emissions systems. Most vehicles pass, while the odd few that might have major engine troubles, or just need a good tune up or have an exhaust leak fail. Yet I can move out to the boonies and rip my cats and mufflers off and run a straight pipe all day long because I don't have to comply with any emissions standards. As long as a mechanic inspects my vehicle and says it is roadworthy,I'm good to go.
I've taken in vehicles with custom exhausts for emission testing and they never said anything about the loudness, yet I go for a safety inspection to register the vehicle and they nitpick every little thing and give me a $1500 to do list after I told them I only paid like $600 and they they reply "Well,you get what you pay for."
I fully agree with vehicle inspections, as annoying and picky as they are, because the last thing I want while I'm out driving is to be involved in an accident due to someone having an unsafe vehicle. Even a vehicle with the best driver cannot avoid an inevitible accident with faulty equipment.
I however DO NOT agree with emissions testing,especially in places like Ontario where more than half of the province is exempt from the program, while a small percentage of land area, but with the highest population density, gets screwed every 2 years, or on every new/used vehicle registration by shelling out $37.50 on 1988-2006 vehicles, all of which USUALLY have properly installed and functioning emissions systems. Most vehicles pass, while the odd few that might have major engine troubles, or just need a good tune up or have an exhaust leak fail. Yet I can move out to the boonies and rip my cats and mufflers off and run a straight pipe all day long because I don't have to comply with any emissions standards. As long as a mechanic inspects my vehicle and says it is roadworthy,I'm good to go.
I've taken in vehicles with custom exhausts for emission testing and they never said anything about the loudness, yet I go for a safety inspection to register the vehicle and they nitpick every little thing and give me a $1500 to do list after I told them I only paid like $600 and they they reply "Well,you get what you pay for."
LOL!! They got you fooled dont they...And "They" is the government. Look at all the states that make people do this BS, they are all liberal, everyone of them. IT'S DONE FOR EXTRA REVENUE...PERIOD!!! Lol, you think the government cares about safety?? Safety is the #1 reason government has to raise more revenue and now the environment is #2 or #3. LOL...Safety!!!
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Well here is something I found
Chapter 90: Section 16. Offensive or illegal operation of motor vehicles
No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.
This is just stupid because exhaust is checked for "safety" like airbags and seatbelts, are they concerned with hearing loss or something?
Aftermarket exhausts can improve power and fuel milage so they improve efficiency which is what the politicians are pushing for.
With no set db level anymore how are the police going to enforce it? Some factory exhaust are much louder than others so how do they know what the stock noise level is?
Well here is something I found
Chapter 90: Section 16. Offensive or illegal operation of motor vehicles
No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.
This is just stupid because exhaust is checked for "safety" like airbags and seatbelts, are they concerned with hearing loss or something?
Aftermarket exhausts can improve power and fuel milage so they improve efficiency which is what the politicians are pushing for.
With no set db level anymore how are the police going to enforce it? Some factory exhaust are much louder than others so how do they know what the stock noise level is?
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The exhaust system wasnt modified, the entire system was changed.
Yes, I understand the intent of the law, but it is dumb. Tell him your stock exhaust system rusted out from driving on salted roads so you had it replaced. Then tell him to **** off.
Yes, I understand the intent of the law, but it is dumb. Tell him your stock exhaust system rusted out from driving on salted roads so you had it replaced. Then tell him to **** off.
"Inspections are all in the name of safety and insurance."
LOL!! They got you fooled dont they...And "They" is the government. Look at all the states that make people do this BS, they are all liberal, everyone of them. IT'S DONE FOR EXTRA REVENUE...PERIOD!!! Lol, you think the government cares about safety?? Safety is the #1 reason government has to raise more revenue and now the environment is #2 or #3. LOL...Safety!!!
LOL!! They got you fooled dont they...And "They" is the government. Look at all the states that make people do this BS, they are all liberal, everyone of them. IT'S DONE FOR EXTRA REVENUE...PERIOD!!! Lol, you think the government cares about safety?? Safety is the #1 reason government has to raise more revenue and now the environment is #2 or #3. LOL...Safety!!!
oh,ok then...
so it's not the government that regulates the installation and use of air bags,seatbelts and all other safety equipment? All the auto manufacturers just decided one day "hey,let's start making cars safer so that when people crash they don't die and survive to sue the pants off the person that hit them and then buy another car from us!"
It's all about economy...riiiight...
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Well the law has changed recently and I beleive I can get ticketed for a louder than stock exhaust so I am trying to put retrofit a stock muffler or other quiet muffler to the bassani pipes. I am having trouble though because of the si/so no offset setup that bassani has. This law is so stupid, look how many mustangs and other cars will have to change their exhaust now. If I come across those who created the law I should weld some wistle tips to their muffler. The bill was fought by sema and didn't pass but the politicians added a clause that show vehicles registered as antiques that are over 25 years old do not have to meet the requirement so it was finally passed. Total BS
Any one have any ideas how replace it with just a muffler?
This is what the Bassani looks like
Pic of the inside
Any one have any ideas how replace it with just a muffler?
This is what the Bassani looks like
Pic of the inside
In Ontario, the emissions BS is PURE revenue. $37.50 per car that gets tested. When you buy a car that is between 1988 and 2006, if the seller did not already have a valid emissions test for the car,then you must get it tested before you can get the car plated. Once the emission test is done, again before you can get the vehicle plated,you must take it in for a safety inspection which is usually $80-100.
So, let's say you spent $100 for the safety and got your car emission tested. You've just spent $137.50. All of which is pure tax revenue.
Moreso, before you can get the car plated, you'll have had to transfer the ownership into your name. Oh,there's a $20 fee for that, and then you also have to pay TAX on the value of the vehicle (wholesale or retail,whichever is GREATER).
Now we're up to $157.50 and you can't even legally drive the car yet because it's not plated. Let's say you paid $5000 for the car. Ontario pays 13% tax on all sales. Let's say the value of the car according to the book is $2500. You have to pay tax on $2500 which is $325.
We're up to $482.50 now. And you still require new plates and a registration sticker....that's another $74 for one year.
=$556.50
You've just spent $556.50 in Ontario to register a car that passed it's safety and emissions tests. All of that money is tax money.
Yes,I agree all this stuff is in the name of revenue, but when it comes down to it, I am willing to spend the $100 for an inspection which is only required when you register the vehicle and you never require another one as long as you own the vehicle. When I buy a vehicle, I want to know it is safe. The last thing I want is to be going down the highway and have a feel fall off,or my brakes fail or have some sort of accident happen because of some unknown problem I didn't find upon my own inspection before buying the vehicle.
In provinces such as Alberta, there is no emissions testing for passenger vehicles and the only "safety" inspection is required by your insurance company which is basically just a visual walk around check.
Ontario is the second highest taxed province in Canada second to British Columbia.
So, let's say you spent $100 for the safety and got your car emission tested. You've just spent $137.50. All of which is pure tax revenue.
Moreso, before you can get the car plated, you'll have had to transfer the ownership into your name. Oh,there's a $20 fee for that, and then you also have to pay TAX on the value of the vehicle (wholesale or retail,whichever is GREATER).
Now we're up to $157.50 and you can't even legally drive the car yet because it's not plated. Let's say you paid $5000 for the car. Ontario pays 13% tax on all sales. Let's say the value of the car according to the book is $2500. You have to pay tax on $2500 which is $325.
We're up to $482.50 now. And you still require new plates and a registration sticker....that's another $74 for one year.
=$556.50
You've just spent $556.50 in Ontario to register a car that passed it's safety and emissions tests. All of that money is tax money.
Yes,I agree all this stuff is in the name of revenue, but when it comes down to it, I am willing to spend the $100 for an inspection which is only required when you register the vehicle and you never require another one as long as you own the vehicle. When I buy a vehicle, I want to know it is safe. The last thing I want is to be going down the highway and have a feel fall off,or my brakes fail or have some sort of accident happen because of some unknown problem I didn't find upon my own inspection before buying the vehicle.
In provinces such as Alberta, there is no emissions testing for passenger vehicles and the only "safety" inspection is required by your insurance company which is basically just a visual walk around check.
Ontario is the second highest taxed province in Canada second to British Columbia.
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At least here they have a law where any car built before a certain year doesnt have to follow the exhaust law or something.
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Are they just a hair louder than stock? I figure it has to be quiet to 1500rpm.
Righht know I am trying to get my friends to hook me up with people they know to get me through inspections. I have had this exhaust on for over a year and never stopped by any cop.
Righht know I am trying to get my friends to hook me up with people they know to get me through inspections. I have had this exhaust on for over a year and never stopped by any cop.
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I have never heard gibson in person, but from youtube videos it sounds pretty quiet. I would also look into walker mufflers. They are suppose to be pretty silent.
http://www.walkerexhaust.com/catalog...uponScreen.asp
http://www.walkerexhaust.com/catalog...uponScreen.asp
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I need help finding a stock quiet exhaust. I need one that is Si/So and 2 1/4 in and out.
It can't be offset unless the pipes are on the same side. So does anyone know of any chevy or other muffler that could work? Borla & gibson are still too loud.
It can't be offset unless the pipes are on the same side. So does anyone know of any chevy or other muffler that could work? Borla & gibson are still too loud.
