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ok someone more knowledgeable, educate me please. the pvh hubs are automatic am i correct? the manual locking hubs, you dont have to have the pvh setup do you? i understand you cant run an 01+ unit bearing on there or those live axles. you HAVE to have the older style cv's. that i DO understand. I think i just need a picture of it or something. but isnt there some sort of aftermarket manual hub out there that would make this swap worth while? you dont HAVE to run it through a vacuum do you?


maybe throw a jeep hub on there with some warns?
There is one manufacturer of manual conversion hubs for the 98~2000.5 PVH trucks and that is AVM of Brazil.

To use those AVM hubs on a 2000.5 or later live axle truck, you would first need to swap in the necessary PVH parts. To the best of my knowledge, that would be the half shafts and the hubs. The PVH vacuum controls would not be needed with the manual hubs.

Jeep or other parts? Anything could be done with enough time, determination and money. I have not seen any other bolt on mod that will convert 98+ Rangers to manual hubs.

To me, even the bolt on PVH/AVM conversion for the live axle Rangers seems like a lot of trouble to go through to end up with a 1/4 MPG improvement and an even weaker front drive system.
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There is one manufacturer of manual conversion hubs for the 98~2000.5 PVH trucks and that is AVM of Brazil.

To use those AVM hubs on a 2000.5 or later live axle truck, you would first need to swap in the necessary PVH parts. To the best of my knowledge, that would be the half shafts and the hubs. The PVH vacuum controls would not be needed with the manual hubs.

Jeep or other parts? Anything could be done with enough time, determination and money. I have not seen any other bolt on mod that will convert 98+ Rangers to manual hubs.

To me, even the bolt on PVH/AVM conversion for the live axle Rangers seems like a lot of trouble to go through to end up with a 1/4 MPG improvement and an even weaker front drive system.

gas mileage is not my concern. just wondering if there was a manual hub conversion system that made that pvh system as strong as, if not stronger than the live axle setup.

it seems as though, with good enough hub, it would be just as strong, no?
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The t-case has nothing to do with the front axle. All the t case does is send engine power to the front.
That's what I figured I just thought I'd make sure.
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RangerExtreme has a manual t-case pm him about it.
I think I will, from what I've read its a worthwhile swap.
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I think I will, from what I've read its a worthwhile swap.
going from simple and strong to complicated and weak doesnt sounds like a worthwhile swap to me IMO. dont get me wrong, i like manual hubs and having the choice but in the seven years ive owned my truck with the live axle ive never had an issue with the CV's or any of the 4X4 system for that matter
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No I meant worthwile swap regarding the manual t-case. sorry
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gas mileage is not my concern. just wondering if there was a manual hub conversion system that made that pvh system as strong as, if not stronger than the live axle setup.

it seems as though, with good enough hub, it would be just as strong, no?
Unless you go custom, AVM is the only game in town. Because they are compromised to fit inside the PVH's, the 98~2000.5 Ranger AVM hubs are not nearly as strong as many traditional locking hubs.
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No I meant worthwile swap regarding the manual t-case. sorry
lol ok, yeah that is a worthwhile swap. ha ha
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Unless you go custom, AVM is the only game in town. Because they are compromised to fit inside the PVH's, the 98~2000.5 Ranger AVM hubs are not nearly as strong as many traditional locking hubs.

do you also have to swap out the spindle from a 98-00.5?
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You would need the CV joints (whole shafts are easier) and the hub/bearing assembly.
Bob said why. The vacuum hubs are more weak by design, lots of plastic and extra junk. The AVM hub is more reliable, but just as weak. Plus, because of design, they often fall off under lots of torque. They literally clip on with plastic friction clips.

The live axles are splined and go write through the hub/bearing, and are threaded on the end. Then the axle nut goes on the end. Nothing much there to break or fail except the wheel bearing or the CV joint itself. Plus there is no noticeable amount of play between the CV axle and the wheel. With automatic or manual hubs, you can turn the axle shaft back and forth a little before they stop. You might see a small decrease in mileage (should be minimal) since the entire front axle assembly will be turning all the time.
The nice thing is you can switch right into 4x4 while driving and not cause any harm as the driveline is always up to speed (same thing if you have the manual hubs locked it).
So the Hub/bearing assembly from an 01 will bolt right up to my truck with no modification? and the live axle with the CVs won't need any modification either? Would it be smart to buy new bearings, or just use the ones off the truck that has the live axle?
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The knuckles are the same. Technically I believe you could buy new bearings for an 01+ Ranger and swap them into your knuckles, along with CV joints from a 01+ Ranger, 01-05 Sport Trac, or 95-01 Explorer. New or used, doesn't matter. I would buy new bearings personally, but that is just me.

Here is a write up for replacing the CV joints on a live axle explorer, for reference.
CV Axle Replacement How To (Pictures) - Ford Explorer Ranger Enthusiasts "Serious Explorations"
The live axles are very simple. Just slide the end through the hub/bearing and put a nut on the end.
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I'm pretty glad I started this thread, a lot of good information is out there now.

I wonder if there is someone with a write up on how to do it.
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I wonder if there is someone with a write up on how to do it.
I remember seeing a write up 2~3 years ago but I can't find it now. Might have been on ORR which has been down for a while.

One more thing about the AVM's on a later truck. Some wheels (like the FX4 Alcoas) may have a center hole that is too small to fit over them.
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I'm glad this thread was made to, good info. I think I've been convinced to get an 01 live axle. For some reason it seems complicating though. How hard is it to take out the old and put in the hub/bearing assembly need for the 01 axle? the live axle will bolt right up to my truck? How much would it cost to get new wheel bearings? the ranger that I'll probably be taking the axle off of has 80,000 miles on it.
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live axle assemblies are waaaaaaaay less complicated than the pvh system. i have mine torn apart at the house, ill take some pics tonight ad post them up for yall
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live axle assemblies are waaaaaaaay less complicated than the pvh system. i have mine torn apart at the house, ill take some pics tonight ad post them up for yall
That would help alot.
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I remember seeing a write up 2~3 years ago but I can't find it now. Might have been on ORR which has been down for a while.

One more thing about the AVM's on a later truck. Some wheels (like the FX4 Alcoas) may have a center hole that is too small to fit over them.
There were a couple on ORR, Joey and someone else. But I think there were a few here too.?
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I'm glad this thread was made to, good info. I think I've been convinced to get an 01 live axle. For some reason it seems complicating though. How hard is it to take out the old and put in the hub/bearing assembly need for the 01 axle? the live axle will bolt right up to my truck? How much would it cost to get new wheel bearings? the ranger that I'll probably be taking the axle off of has 80,000 miles on it.
It looks like the new timken bearings from rockauto.com are nearly $200 each. You could always swap in the bearings from the other ranger and see if they work okay. If they are bad or go bad then go about replacing them.
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Man I hope i don't have to get new Hub assemblies or bearings atleast not til summer. Definitely don't have the money right now to go all new. I'll just have to make sure i tell the guy at the junkyard to not rip the ABS sensor off, thats the only thing I can think of going wrong when they take them off.
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Do you have 4WABS? I'm glad both of my trucks are RABS.
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Well there's 1 that goes to the rear and 2 for the front.
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