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Old Jul 2, 2020
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need help please at my wits end

Truck will not stay running without giving it throttle. I installed a new engine it wouldn't idle no check engine light came on i checked fuel pressure holding good at 64 psi replace iac valve tps sensor maf sensor new coil pack plugs and wires still won't stay running i pulled the upper and lower intakes off and the valve covers ran a bead of high temp grey silicone gasket maker thinking air was getting in somehow still nothing i pulled a upstream o2 sensor to check for a clogged cat still nothing... can anyone point me in the right direction
 
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For any help here, we will need to know what year and what engine you're working with.
 
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+1 ^^^^

Welcome to the forum

Year and engine please?
 
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+1 ^^^^

Welcome to the forum

Year and engine please?
sorry.. its a 2004 3.0 Edge
 
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Why did you put in a new engine?

OK, 2004 Ranger 3.0l

CEL(check engine light) works correct, and no codes I assume?

Air leak will usually cause a high idle, but can cause stalling if its a big enough leak

If you manually hold the throttle open will it stay idling, smoothly?
Or do you keep having to open it more, feathering?

Do you have a vacuum gauge, engine should pull 18-21" at idle
Just wondering if maybe the "new" engine has an overall compression issue, i.e. t6iming chain installed incorrectly
Or have you done a compression test?
160-170psi is expected on a 3.0l Vulcan

Does it run any better after it gets warmed up a bit?

Double check Firing order on the coil pack, easy to mix that up

3 4
2 6
1 5
front

3 2 1
4 6 5
front

1 2 3
5 6 4
front

There are a few orientation

Common thing is 2 and 6 are ALWAYS on the center 2 connections of the coil pack
The 1 and 5, and 3 and 4 at the ends ALWAYS
These are matched sets, its the way the engine is balanced
[3 4]
[2 6]
[1 5]

So if it doesn't work one way then swap 1/5 and 3/4 at the ends




 

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Old Jul 3, 2020
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I bought the truck with the motor already locked up... i sprayed some carburetor cleaner at the lower boots of the injectors and it revs up to normal i somehow have air getting past the o-rings..
 
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Old Jul 5, 2020
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Double check Firing order on the coil pack, easy to mix that up

3 4
2 6
1 5
front

3 2 1
4 6 5
front

1 2 3
5 6 4
front

There are a few orientation

Common thing is 2 and 6 are ALWAYS on the center 2 connections of the coil pack
The 1 and 5, and 3 and 4 at the ends ALWAYS
These are matched sets, its the way the engine is balanced
[3 4]
[2 6]
[1 5]

So if it doesn't work one way then swap 1/5 and 3/4 at the ends[/QUOTE]

Are there any after market coils that are:
[3 4]
[2 5]
[1 6]
I understand with the 3 coils and three signal wires the plugs fire with every TDC so the cylinders that are 180 off have to be paired to one coil... which you show in your diagram. But I replaced coil, wires, and plugs using that pattern and it would hardly run... rough as hell. Found another diagram online with the straight six pattern, I have shown above, tried it out and smooth again. Still had the same little mis I was trying to get rid of in the first place but back to the way it ran before. The new coil didnt have numbered posts so at first I just used the pattern I found on the old coil pack. Last week I decided to check into again with the covid free time Ive had lately and 5&6 both only have about 30psi. So now I'm wondering if its coincidence or if I fried my valves by having the wires backwards... but why would it run smoother with 2 and 5 paired than it would with 2 and 6. Only thing I can come up with is the aftermarket coil wireing was routed different inside to keep 5 and 6 from breaking the straight 1-6 pattern.
2002 3.0 Edge

 

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Old Jul 6, 2020
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That one diagram, yellow, is wrong, not sure what to tell you other than that

4 5 6
3 2 1

Is just wrong

Did you try reversing the end plugs
1 2 3
5 6 4

TO

3 2 1
4 6 5

??

But the 3.0l or 4.0l Ford V6 engines have always been balanced with those pairs

Diagram here of different coil packs, maybe you have a non-ford pack: https://forum.autosportlabs.com/file..._wires_154.png

As said not sure what to tell you

But again, you could not have hurt an engine by using wrong firing order, low compression is usually a valve issue

2004-2006 Rangers with 3.0l V6 engine had a TSB about recessed valve seats causing low compression

TSB posted here: https://www.ranger-forums.com/drivet...ds-use-144927/
 
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