EGR and EVR vacuum tubes
I noticed on my son's 96 ranger, the EGR is plugged, and one of the EVR ports are broken off and neither is hooked up. Also, the vacuum lines are completely missing. Can I simply use vacuum hose to hook this back up? Is there anywhere one can buy the green and red vacuum lines?
Also, I know the port on the top of the EVR goes to manifold vacuum, and the other goes to the EGR. Could someone point me to where the manifold vacuum port is on the manifold for the EVR? |
Wrecking yard is the only place you are likely to find the colored hard plastic vacuum lines, these are cheaper than the rubber lines which is why car makers use then, they are colored for easier assembly/hookup at the factory.
You can use any type of vacuum lines to replace them EVR(EGR solenoid) will usually be hooked to the Vacuum Reservoir line, so it has vacuum available all the time Vacuum reservoir has just two lines so EVR line will be "T'ed" to one of those Vacuum reservoir is a black plastic ball usually located on passenger side front of engine bay, very low down, you often can't see it from the top, have to get under front to see it There will be a vacuum line coming from upper intake running to the reservoir, it will have a Check Valve on that line that holds vacuum in the reservoir, the EVR "T" will usually be between Check Valve and Reservoir |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2150973)
Wrecking yard is the only place you are likely to find the colored hard plastic vacuum lines, these are cheaper than the rubber lines which is why car makers use then, they are colored for easier assembly/hookup at the factory.
You can use any type of vacuum lines to replace them EVR(EGR solenoid) will usually be hooked to the Vacuum Reservoir line, so it has vacuum available all the time Vacuum reservoir has just two lines so EVR line will be "T'ed" to one of those Vacuum reservoir is a black plastic ball usually located on passenger side front of engine bay, very low down, you often can't see it from the top, have to get under front to see it There will be a vacuum line coming from upper intake running to the reservoir, it will have a Check Valve on that line that holds vacuum in the reservoir, the EVR "T" will usually be between Check Valve and Reservoir I'll report back when I get things figured out. |
Yes, the Vent controls, floor, panel, defrost, are vacuum controlled, defrost vent is default/no vacuum
There is a black plastic vacuum line that runs from vacuum reservoir to the firewall, passenger side next to heater fan motor box, that line supplies vacuum for the Vents, and yes if EVR connection was left open then you could lose vacuum at Vents when accelerating, low vacuum in intake manifold But the black plastic line would also melt or crack near the exhaust, causing same loss of vacuum in the cab No, on the size, just take old EVR off and match its size Also if you have the old plastic line take that in as well and get a short length of rubber hose to have on hand to splice any breaks in these lines, it just needs a snug fit, no clamps needed, as its Vacuum pressure so pulls on splices/connections, it doesn't push them apart |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2150993)
Yes, the Vent controls, floor, panel, defrost, are vacuum controlled, defrost vent is default/no vacuum
There is a black plastic vacuum line that runs from vacuum reservoir to the firewall, passenger side next to heater fan motor box, that line supplies vacuum for the Vents, and yes if EVR connection was left open then you could lose vacuum at Vents when accelerating, low vacuum in intake manifold But the black plastic line would also melt or crack near the exhaust, causing same loss of vacuum in the cab No, on the size, just take old EVR off and match its size Also if you have the old plastic line take that in as well and get a short length of rubber hose to have on hand to splice any breaks in these lines, it just needs a snug fit, no clamps needed, as its Vacuum pressure so pulls on splices/connections, it doesn't push them apart |
EGR system also has a DPFE sensor with 2 hoses, they are not vacuum hoses, they are exhaust hoses, they connect on the EGR valve tube
DPFE sensor tells computer how far open the EGR valve is, how much exhaust is being added to intake It does this by the pressure difference between these two hoses, hose closer to EGR valve will be same pressure as farther hose when EGR valve is closed, as EGR valve opens the closer hoses pressure will go down, the difference in pressure tells computer the "flow" DPFE = Differential pressure feedback |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2150993)
Yes, the Vent controls, floor, panel, defrost, are vacuum controlled, defrost vent is default/no vacuum
There is a black plastic vacuum line that runs from vacuum reservoir to the firewall, passenger side next to heater fan motor box, that line supplies vacuum for the Vents, and yes if EVR connection was left open then you could lose vacuum at Vents when accelerating, low vacuum in intake manifold But the black plastic line would also melt or crack near the exhaust, causing same loss of vacuum in the cab No, on the size, just take old EVR off and match its size Also if you have the old plastic line take that in as well and get a short length of rubber hose to have on hand to splice any breaks in these lines, it just needs a snug fit, no clamps needed, as its Vacuum pressure so pulls on splices/connections, it doesn't push them apart |
Should be hooked to the Vacuum manifold, multiple vacuum ports at one location on the intake manifold, follow Power brake vacuum hose, it should also be plugged in there.
Follow each vacuum line that's already hooked up, you should find one with a "T" that unhooked Also look on the rad support, there should be a vacuum diagram there Blend door is Electric on 1995 and up Rangers, it was cable operated in 1994 and earlier Vent doors have always been vacuum operated |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151054)
Should be hooked to the Vacuum manifold, multiple vacuum ports at one location on the intake manifold, follow Power brake vacuum hose, it should also be plugged in there.
Follow each vacuum line that's already hooked up, you should find one with a "T" that unhooked Also look on the rad support, there should be a vacuum diagram there Blend door is Electric on 1995 and up Rangers, it was cable operated in 1994 and earlier Vent doors have always been vacuum operated I’ll take a look again and try to find the T. Looked today but couldn’t find it. |
Update: The only port I could find was a port on the intake on the drivers side, so I routed a vacuum line from the vacuum reservoir to that port and got the heater controls working again. I have no idea if it has the EGR operating correctly however. I do know the EGR valve works because when I pull the EGR vacuum line and put suction on it, the engine RPM decreases and almost quits. My question is, when I pull the vacuum hose off the EVR (the one that runs to the black plastic vacuum reservoir) I don't feel any vacuum on that line (I know the reservoir is working because the heater controls work now and did not before), but I'm not sure I would since the line is so small and it's coming from the reservoir. Should I be able to feel some vacuum there?
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EVR should have vacuum available from the vacuum reservoir, if thats where its hooked up, on ONE of its hoses, the vacuum hose on the EVR going to the EGR valve would have no vacuum until you were driving and engine was under a load, thats the only time EGR system is used
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Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151423)
EVR should have vacuum available from the vacuum reservoir, if thats where its hooked up, on ONE of its hoses, the vacuum hose on the EVR going to the EGR valve would have no vacuum until you were driving and engine was under a load, thats the only time EGR system is used
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Yes, it should have vacuum
There are only 2 ports on a Vacuum reservoir(some only have one) One is for source(intake manifold) The other is Load(devices, like cab and EVR) Some vacuum reservoirs have built in Check Valve, others don't and have a Check Valve on the Source line Check valve looks like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1KV04JZS2L.jpg You can only blow thru it in one direction If vacuum reservoir has built in check valve then same thing So test if you have a working check valve Start engine, select defrost in cab, then shut engine off Select Floor now, you should hear the vacuum motor move the vent door closed, if not you have no vacuum in reserve, so no vacuum with engine off If you hear vent door change then you have vacuum reserve Power brakes use a check valve, you can do the same test, shut engine off and press brake pedal a few times, you should get 2 or 3 presses with power assist, then vacuum will be gone and pedal will get hard to press, this reserve is in case engine stalls while driving, allows you to stop the vehicle safely ' |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151444)
Yes, it should have vacuum
There are only 2 ports on a Vacuum reservoir(some only have one) One is for source(intake manifold) The other is Load(devices, like cab and EVR) Some vacuum reservoirs have built in Check Valve, others don't and have a Check Valve on the Source line Check valve looks like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1KV04JZS2L.jpg You can only blow thru it in one direction If vacuum reservoir has built in check valve then same thing So test if you have a working check valve Start engine, select defrost in cab, then shut engine off Select Floor now, you should hear the vacuum motor move the vent door closed, if not you have no vacuum in reserve, so no vacuum with engine off If you hear vent door change then you have vacuum reserve Power brakes use a check valve, you can do the same test, shut engine off and press brake pedal a few times, you should get 2 or 3 presses with power assist, then vacuum will be gone and pedal will get hard to press, this reserve is in case engine stalls while driving, allows you to stop the vehicle safely ' |
You can add in-line check valve regardless, then add a T for the EVR between check valve and reservoir
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Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151464)
You can add in-line check valve regardless, then add a T for the EVR between check valve and reservoir
If not, should I simply add a check valve to the line that's coming from the front of the reservoir to the intake, or should I plug that back off. And if so, how should the vacuum hoses be plumbed exactly? ' Sorry to sound like such a dunce on this but I want to put it back correctly as this is my son's truck and not only do I want it right, I want him to learn the right way. |
The intake SUCKS air from the hose and vacuum reservoir
So if it has a built-in check valve on that one port, you could BLOW into the other two ports but NOT suck air from the other two ports So if you can blow into the EVR hose but NOT suck air out, then that port should be OK for EVR or Cab For the hose that's on the intake you should be able to Suck air out(with one of the other hoses unhooked), but NOT blow air in, so opposite of the other two ports If so then that port has a check valve built-in |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151473)
The intake SUCKS air from the hose and vacuum reservoir
So if it has a built-in check valve on that one port, you could BLOW into the other two ports but NOT suck air from the other two ports So if you can blow into the EVR hose but NOT suck air out, then that port should be OK for EVR or Cab For the hose that's on the intake you should be able to Suck air out(with one of the other hoses unhooked), but NOT blow air in, so opposite of the other two ports If so then that port has a check valve built-in Do you think the way I have it set up is correct (front hose vacuum from intake, back two lines with one going to EVR, the other to cab)? |
Never seen a vacuum reservoir with 3 ports so can't say.
Most have 2, and a few had just 1 It should have vacuum with engine running, after engine is off once you pull off the hose vacuum would be gone instantly |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2151476)
Never seen a vacuum reservoir with 3 ports so can't say.
Most have 2, and a few had just 1 It should have vacuum with engine running, after engine is off once you pull off the hose vacuum would be gone instantly |
Weak Accuator
I lose Max A/C to Defrost.
This accuator seems weak. Would that mean this need to be replaced? I've replaced Vacuum Ball, and a few hoses trying to trace this down. Currently I have Permanent Max A/C lol. Any help would be appreciated. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ran...b9594329de.jpg |
That looks like the Fresh air vent control, so no doesn't control defrost, panel, or floor directions
Diagram here: https://ww2-secure.justanswer.com/up...rer_vacuum.jpg There are two doors that control air direction The floor/panel door The Panel/defrost door They are labelled for direction and vacuum, V = vacuum, NV = no vacuum, PV = partial vacuum So when there is No Vacuum at both doors, Defrost is the direction air will flow Air re-circulation door is at the right, thats the fresh air door In MAX AC this would have Vacuum, so would pull air from inside the cab to be cooled instead of hot air from outside, this is what "MAX AC" means, AC itself only has 2 settings, ON or OFF, lol MAX AC in later years also shuts off heater core coolant circulation, the valve high lighted in yellow in the diagram |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2157223)
That looks like the Fresh air vent control, so no doesn't control defrost, panel, or floor directions
Diagram here: https://ww2-secure.justanswer.com/up...rer_vacuum.jpg There are two doors that control air direction The floor/panel door The Panel/defrost door They are labelled for direction and vacuum, V = vacuum, NV = no vacuum, PV = partial vacuum So when there is No Vacuum at both doors, Defrost is the direction air will flow Air re-circulation door is at the right, thats the fresh air door In MAX AC this would have Vacuum, so would pull air from inside the cab to be cooled instead of hot air from outside, this is what "MAX AC" means, AC itself only has 2 settings, ON or OFF, lol MAX AC in later years also shuts off heater core coolant circulation, the valve high lighted in yellow in the diagram I only default to Defrost when I am on Max A/C so, that's why I'm super confused and trying to trace THOSE vacuum lines. Does that make sense? Any ideas? |
Check Grey vacuum hose in engine bay, it runs from firewall to the heater hose by pass valve, has 4 coolant hoses and a vacuum valve
It shows it as White in the diagram, but its Grey on Rangers If grey vacuum line is broken or not holding vacuum you would get what you have |
Originally Posted by RonD
(Post 2157231)
Check Grey vacuum hose in engine bay, it runs from firewall to the heater hose by pass valve, has 4 coolant hoses and a vacuum valve
It shows it as White in the diagram, but its Grey on Rangers If grey vacuum line is broken or not holding vacuum you would get what you have |
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