stiffer, better leaf-pack? - Ranger-Forums - The Ultimate Ford Ranger Resource


Suspension Tech General discussion of suspension for the Ford Ranger.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 12-14-2006
r0ng5's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: LA, CA
Posts: 2,575
stiffer, better leaf-pack?

I have the weakest (K) stock leaf packs on my Edge. I'm noticing extra sag (after my slight crank of the t-bars) when i put my camper shell onto my truck.

Is there a replacement leaf pack out there that will give me better payload/stiffness?

Are they hard to install?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-14-2006
RockysFord's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 2,782
PRobably not without having to do some modifications...I would just do a AAL

Rocky
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-14-2006
V8 Level II's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,834
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0ng5
I have the weakest (K) stock leaf packs on my Edge. I'm noticing extra sag (after my slight crank of the t-bars) when i put my camper shell onto my truck.

Is there a replacement leaf pack out there that will give me better payload/stiffness?

Are they hard to install?
C code leaf springs were standard on Level II's and some other 4x4s and trucks with Payload Package 2. They should give you what you need.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rwenzing

Leaf springs
(code / combined rating / pack thickness at axle / number of leaves)
C / 2750 lb / 1.82" / 4
F? / 2600 lb / 1.64" / 4
K? / 2550 lb / 1.60" / 4
Not too hard to install, IMO. I've done it alone but it would be easier with a helper. You will need jack stands, a floor jack with a decent amount of lift and a torque wrench. During the swap, care must be taken not to overextend the brake flex line or breather hose.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-14-2006
gearhead299's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pennington, NJ
Posts: 391
what about just getting stiffer replacement springs from Ford? that is the route I will be going, there is a thread concerning that and t-bars, something like "what t-bar do i have?"
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
the C rated springs can be bought for 88 each i believe on some of those ford discount sites.

another option would be chevy 1/2 ton leaf spring swap.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-14-2006
gearhead299's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pennington, NJ
Posts: 391
what ford discount sites are there? i would not want to order from a dealership, but I was thinking i might be able to get them through my boss (mechanic) for a decent price, but $88 doesn't sound too bad
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-14-2006
5speedin2.3's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Livonia, Mi
Posts: 12
lol dont feel bad, my leaf pack only has two springs in it.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-14-2006
V8 Level II's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,834
Quote:
Originally Posted by gearhead299
what ford discount sites are there? i would not want to order from a dealership, but I was thinking i might be able to get them through my boss (mechanic) for a decent price, but $88 doesn't sound too bad
There are several online parts places. Here is one:

http://www.1stfordparts.com/

Watch out for shipping, though. It will be high because the spring packs are much heavier than they look. I would bet that you can do just about as well by buying them over the counter at a Ford dealer. If you can get a discount through your boss, it might be cheaper than the online price including shipping.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5speedin2.3
lol dont feel bad, my leaf pack only has two springs in it.

you should buy mine.... i have a used set sitting here that could go...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-14-2006
n3elz's Avatar
RF Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Kennett Square, PA
Posts: 10,620
I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by n3elz
I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...

for some reason i thought you had chevy leaf springs?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-14-2006
01xltranger4x4's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: MI
Posts: 3,200
I just sold my H/D leafs with AAL to a kid who saw my craigslst ad. You might wanna try there.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-14-2006
n3elz's Avatar
RF Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Kennett Square, PA
Posts: 10,620
Quote:
Originally Posted by zabeard
for some reason i thought you had chevy leaf springs?
No, but Chris (offroadranger) has a set he's letting me have. I will probably eventually have them, though they might not go on until I do the SAS this spring. Or they might go on sooner, lol...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-14-2006
r0ng5's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: LA, CA
Posts: 2,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by n3elz
I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...
that's something to consider one dumb question: where do you get the longer center bolt?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-14-2006
n3elz's Avatar
RF Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Kennett Square, PA
Posts: 10,620
A hardware store. Here at work our millwrights are my hardware store, lol -- "hey do you guys a have bolt like this, grade 8, but longer?"...

I think they are 5/16" bolts or 3/8" -- don't remember sorry. I'm remembering 5/16".

You may need to grind the head to make it fit in the recess where the head goes in the axle -- but I didn't. I just depends on the size of the head I guess.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-14-2006
V8 Level II's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,834
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0ng5
that's something to consider one dumb question: where do you get the longer center bolt?
You would need to get one for a slightly taller spring pack since that's what you would be creating. It is a special hardened bolt with a round head to engage the hole in the spring perch to locate the axle.

The factory Ranger center bolt has an unusual 11x1.50 thread. I can't remember finding that thread anywhere else on the truck (much more common would be 10mm or 12mm diameter). 11mm diameter corresponds almost exactly to 7/16" so that may open up a few more possibilities.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-14-2006
Lefty04LevelII's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DFW
Posts: 1,447
I won't know until I get home, but I might have a longer center bolt for ya. And mainly because of this.....





I finally got around to calling RCD and getting the remaining parts I needed for the lift. I didn't get the AALs that come with the kit, due to the deavers you see in the above pics. However, I think one of the hardware packs I ordered from RCD will still contain the new center pin needed when adding the RCD AALs.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by n3elz
A hardware store. Here at work our millwrights are my hardware store, lol -- "hey do you guys a have bolt like this, grade 8, but longer?"...

I think they are 5/16" bolts or 3/8" -- don't remember sorry. I'm remembering 5/16".

You may need to grind the head to make it fit in the recess where the head goes in the axle -- but I didn't. I just depends on the size of the head I guess.

its 3/8" for sure, we went through this last weekend, we thought it was 5/16" at first, we were wrong and i had to make another trip to town...
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by rwenzing
You would need to get one for a slightly taller spring pack since that's what you would be creating. It is a special hardened bolt with a round head to engage the hole in the spring perch to locate the axle.

The factory Ranger center bolt has an unusual 11x1.50 thread. I can't remember finding that thread anywhere else on the truck (much more common would be 10mm or 12mm diameter). 11mm diameter corresponds almost exactly to 7/16" so that may open up a few more possibilities.

if he gets an AAL or another leaf we have found the hole to be smaller sometimes.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-14-2006
V8 Level II's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,834
Quote:
Originally Posted by zabeard
if he gets an AAL or another leaf we have found the hole to be smaller sometimes.
On my 2003 spring pack, it is 11x1.50 for sure. I just measured it. He's talking about adding a Ranger leaf with the correct size hole.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by rwenzing
On my 2003 spring pack, it is 11x1.50 for sure. I just measured it. He's talking about adding a Ranger leaf with the correct size hole.

Yea I was thinking more if he added and AAL because the hole in the AAL is smaller.

So disregard what i said. The stock bolt is 11x1.50, measured it this weekend as well.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-14-2006
5speedin2.3's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Livonia, Mi
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by zabeard
you should buy mine.... i have a used set sitting here that could go...
i was going to buy the ones erv has but im broke
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-14-2006
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5speedin2.3
i was going to buy the ones erv has but im broke

mine would require some work...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stiffer rear springs racerboy Suspension Tech 5 03-25-2013 09:53 PM
Slave cylinder swap to something stiffer?? abq02ranger Drivetrain Tech 7 05-06-2011 08:24 PM
stiffer front coils? LaRue Suspension Tech 0 01-13-2011 12:07 AM
Stiffer front coils? LaRue 1" & 3" Body Lifts 0 01-13-2011 12:06 AM
Clutch is getting stiffer - any ideas?? Scott.E.Dont Drivetrain Tech 2 08-15-2007 08:37 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:37 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.