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stiffer, better leaf-pack?

I have the weakest (K) stock leaf packs on my Edge. I'm noticing extra sag (after my slight crank of the t-bars) when i put my camper shell onto my truck.

Is there a replacement leaf pack out there that will give me better payload/stiffness?

Are they hard to install?
 
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PRobably not without having to do some modifications...I would just do a AAL

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Originally Posted by r0ng5
I have the weakest (K) stock leaf packs on my Edge. I'm noticing extra sag (after my slight crank of the t-bars) when i put my camper shell onto my truck.

Is there a replacement leaf pack out there that will give me better payload/stiffness?

Are they hard to install?
C code leaf springs were standard on Level II's and some other 4x4s and trucks with Payload Package 2. They should give you what you need.
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Leaf springs
(code / combined rating / pack thickness at axle / number of leaves)
C / 2750 lb / 1.82" / 4
F? / 2600 lb / 1.64" / 4
K? / 2550 lb / 1.60" / 4
Not too hard to install, IMO. I've done it alone but it would be easier with a helper. You will need jack stands, a floor jack with a decent amount of lift and a torque wrench. During the swap, care must be taken not to overextend the brake flex line or breather hose.
 
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what about just getting stiffer replacement springs from Ford? that is the route I will be going, there is a thread concerning that and t-bars, something like "what t-bar do i have?"
 
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the C rated springs can be bought for 88 each i believe on some of those ford discount sites.

another option would be chevy 1/2 ton leaf spring swap.
 
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what ford discount sites are there? i would not want to order from a dealership, but I was thinking i might be able to get them through my boss (mechanic) for a decent price, but $88 doesn't sound too bad
 
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lol dont feel bad, my leaf pack only has two springs in it.
 
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what ford discount sites are there? i would not want to order from a dealership, but I was thinking i might be able to get them through my boss (mechanic) for a decent price, but $88 doesn't sound too bad
There are several online parts places. Here is one:

http://www.1stfordparts.com/

Watch out for shipping, though. It will be high because the spring packs are much heavier than they look. I would bet that you can do just about as well by buying them over the counter at a Ford dealer. If you can get a discount through your boss, it might be cheaper than the online price including shipping.
 
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lol dont feel bad, my leaf pack only has two springs in it.

you should buy mine.... i have a used set sitting here that could go...
 
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I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...
 
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Originally Posted by n3elz
I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...

for some reason i thought you had chevy leaf springs?
 
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I just sold my H/D leafs with AAL to a kid who saw my craigslst ad. You might wanna try there.
 
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Originally Posted by zabeard
for some reason i thought you had chevy leaf springs?
No, but Chris (offroadranger) has a set he's letting me have. I will probably eventually have them, though they might not go on until I do the SAS this spring. Or they might go on sooner, lol...
 
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Originally Posted by n3elz
I took a leaves from a pack Doc discarded when he lifted his Ranger, and put them in my pack. You can squeeze one more leaf in there. Made a huge difference and it's not too harsh.

You will need a longer centerbolt. I used the longest leaf that doesn't have eyes on it (the one just below the top one) and added that one to each side. So I have a 5 leaf pack rather than a 4 leaf pack.

I have no idea what spring rate that is, lol. I only know that it took the sag out for all the weight I carry in my rear -- and the rear of the truck as well...
that's something to consider one dumb question: where do you get the longer center bolt?
 
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A hardware store. Here at work our millwrights are my hardware store, lol -- "hey do you guys a have bolt like this, grade 8, but longer?"...

I think they are 5/16" bolts or 3/8" -- don't remember sorry. I'm remembering 5/16".

You may need to grind the head to make it fit in the recess where the head goes in the axle -- but I didn't. I just depends on the size of the head I guess.
 
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Originally Posted by r0ng5
that's something to consider one dumb question: where do you get the longer center bolt?
You would need to get one for a slightly taller spring pack since that's what you would be creating. It is a special hardened bolt with a round head to engage the hole in the spring perch to locate the axle.

The factory Ranger center bolt has an unusual 11x1.50 thread. I can't remember finding that thread anywhere else on the truck (much more common would be 10mm or 12mm diameter). 11mm diameter corresponds almost exactly to 7/16" so that may open up a few more possibilities.
 
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I won't know until I get home, but I might have a longer center bolt for ya. And mainly because of this.....





I finally got around to calling RCD and getting the remaining parts I needed for the lift. I didn't get the AALs that come with the kit, due to the deavers you see in the above pics. However, I think one of the hardware packs I ordered from RCD will still contain the new center pin needed when adding the RCD AALs.
 
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Originally Posted by n3elz
A hardware store. Here at work our millwrights are my hardware store, lol -- "hey do you guys a have bolt like this, grade 8, but longer?"...

I think they are 5/16" bolts or 3/8" -- don't remember sorry. I'm remembering 5/16".

You may need to grind the head to make it fit in the recess where the head goes in the axle -- but I didn't. I just depends on the size of the head I guess.

its 3/8" for sure, we went through this last weekend, we thought it was 5/16" at first, we were wrong and i had to make another trip to town...
 
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Originally Posted by rwenzing
You would need to get one for a slightly taller spring pack since that's what you would be creating. It is a special hardened bolt with a round head to engage the hole in the spring perch to locate the axle.

The factory Ranger center bolt has an unusual 11x1.50 thread. I can't remember finding that thread anywhere else on the truck (much more common would be 10mm or 12mm diameter). 11mm diameter corresponds almost exactly to 7/16" so that may open up a few more possibilities.

if he gets an AAL or another leaf we have found the hole to be smaller sometimes.
 
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if he gets an AAL or another leaf we have found the hole to be smaller sometimes.
On my 2003 spring pack, it is 11x1.50 for sure. I just measured it. He's talking about adding a Ranger leaf with the correct size hole.
 
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Originally Posted by rwenzing
On my 2003 spring pack, it is 11x1.50 for sure. I just measured it. He's talking about adding a Ranger leaf with the correct size hole.

Yea I was thinking more if he added and AAL because the hole in the AAL is smaller.

So disregard what i said. The stock bolt is 11x1.50, measured it this weekend as well.
 
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you should buy mine.... i have a used set sitting here that could go...
i was going to buy the ones erv has but im broke
 
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Originally Posted by 5speedin2.3
i was going to buy the ones erv has but im broke

mine would require some work...
 
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