These are NIB. Back then, 10 years ago, the Moog P/N cc870 was called out for my truck. Today Moog says they have no recommendation but to pick from their catalog. The cc870 is in there and has the following spec: Variable rate for smoother ride over OEM, 13.5' free length, 11.5 installed length, 485lb /inch rate, 899 lbs pre load. They list for $81 plus shipping. I only want $50 for them and I live in Eugene Orygun 97402. Anybody?