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Nitto Terra Grappler A/T

Found these at discount tire for $122 each, free shipping right now and no sales tax, and they look pretty sweet... anyone have anything to say about these? I drive 90% street, and 10% off-road mainly just getting places to drop off my dirt bike!

Oh, and I have a stock '01 Ranger 4x4 Edge, with the 16 inch rims, 245/75R16 stock, I plan on upgrading to 265/75R16 with these, the true diameter (from the Nitto website) is 31.56, so I THINK I should be able to put these on without even having to adjust the T-bars... or a very small adjustment... correct?

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31.6" fit fine on my truck without tbar crank. I rubbed a tiny bit on extreme turns but nothing major. Should be fine. Good looking tire, nice price. I haven't heard anything about them
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you can fit em easy, but m not really a fan of these tires either. ive seen quite a few sets get adjusted for being out of round and Im not a fan of the nitto truck tires just because i think they are kinda dumb lookin. For the price thuogh, its not a bad deal, just remember to stay on top of keepin em balanced and if you keep getting bad vibrations, then have then adjust them for you too...
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Buy an American made tire.
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Oh my gosh I can't believe I didn't think of that. Yes buy American!
Cooper Discoverer STT is my next tire....
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They have 31x10.50 bfg at's for the same price.

Discount tires bfg's

These will fit stock with no adjustment, I have them on my truck and love them.
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They have 31x10.50 bfg at's for the same price.

Discount tires bfg's

These will fit stock with no adjustment, I have them on my truck and love them.

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Oh, and I have a stock '01 Ranger 4x4 Edge, with the 16 inch rims, 245/75R16 stock, I plan on upgrading to 265/75R16 with these...


pay attention, harry-son...
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Cooper Discoverer STT is my next tire....
That will end our arguments about your "muddability" with those AT's, lol!

Unfortunately, the "new" STT design (with siping and all) doesn't come in 15" sizes for my wheels. the STT's for 15" wheels are a conventional, though very capable and tough, mud tire.
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I have 16" so I should be good to go. Gotta have siping :)
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They have 31x10.50 bfg at's for the same price.

Discount tires bfg's

These will fit stock with no adjustment, I have them on my truck and love them.

Well, even if those were within my price range for 16 inch rims, according to most of the 'advice' I've gotten here I shouldn't buy them for the same reason I shouldn't consider the Nitto Grapplers, because the BF Goodrich tires are NOT 'American' tires...

See, in 1988 BF Goodrich sold its tire branch to MNA, Inc (Michelin North America) and Michelin was started in, and is still managed from, France (a country distinctly NOT America). (See http://www.goodrich.com/bfgredirect/ and http://www.michelin.com/corporate/fr...que=19&lang=EN )

I hope none of those 'buy American tire' guys are running BF Goodrich ATs, they'll have to run out and get new tires!

Here's a helpful list, looks like Dunlops are distinctly NOT American, either, as they are made by a foreign company...as are Firestones, Bridgestone, and Generals! http://www.usstuff.com/cartires.htm

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I'm more concerned with where they're MADE, rather than who owns them. From that standpoint, I've been more tolerant of foreign nameplates on American made vehicles, and foreign owned companies (and I used to work for one of those).

The point is to find out where their making them and how much domestic content there is -- not easy to do.

I once wrote Dunlop and asked where the Radial Mud Rovers are made. I got back an answer that said the DOT number of the individual tire contains a code for the Dunlop plant it was made at and I would need to take it on a tire-by-tire basis.

Translation: could be made anywhere, lol.

Dunlop though, last I heard, was owned by Goodyear (an American firm) -- but Goodyear has run international plants and intends to do so even more.

Or was Dunlop sold AGAIN? I guess I'll check your link.

Edit: Okay, I've seen that link. Some of that information is dated.
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you can fit em easy, but m not really a fan of these tires either. ive seen quite a few sets get adjusted for being out of round and Im not a fan of the nitto truck tires just because i think they are kinda dumb lookin. For the price thuogh, its not a bad deal, just remember to stay on top of keepin em balanced and if you keep getting bad vibrations, then have then adjust them for you too...
Thanks for the comments... thats the pain with ordering over the 'net, I was over-worried about fit because returning 4 tires via UPS would be a rather large PIA, but I feel a bit reassured!

I'm gonna try 'em... the price is right, and I like to be 'different'.
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I'm more concerned with where they're MADE, rather than who owns them. From that standpoint, I've been more tolerant of foreign nameplates on American made vehicles, and foreign owned companies (and I used to work for one of those).

The point is to find out where their making them and how much domestic content there is -- not easy to do.

I once wrote Dunlop and asked where the Radial Mud Rovers are made. I got back an answer that said the DOT number of the individual tire contains a code for the Dunlop plant it was made at and I would need to take it on a tire-by-tire basis.

Translation: could be made anywhere, lol.

Dunlop though, last I heard, was owned by Goodyear (an American firm) -- but Goodyear has run international plants and intends to do so even more.

Or was Dunlop sold AGAIN? I guess I'll check your link.
I pulled that(about Dunlops) from the last link... which, upon closer inspection, pulled it from a 1996 book, so Dunlop may have been sold again and that link may not be accurate.

But, to me, that just means there is even less of a reason to be over-concerned... one year its an 'american' company, and the next its not, so one year its ok, and the other its not?

I can see your point about buying things MADE IN American vs. things made over seas for pennies... heck, I grew up a UAW baby... but what if its an american company sending its stuff overseas to be made for pennies? Or one working americans hold SHARES in? Really, we ALL own these companies, in our Mutual Funds, etc, etc...
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Yes, but people don't get EMPLOYED by that, and without good paying employment, we all sink slowly down to NEEDING cheap imports just to get by.

Listen, if you want to rationalize it to feel better about it go ahead. But buying things NOT produced in this country hurts American manufacturing. Period.
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Thanks for the comments... thats the pain with ordering over the 'net, I was over-worried about fit because returning 4 tires via UPS would be a rather large PIA, but I feel a bit reassured!

I'm gonna try 'em... the price is right, and I like to be 'different'.


well order them from discount tire online and youll get free shipping and maybe some cheaper benefits inside the store. you will probably still have to pay for labor but the lifetime balancing and rotation that comes with it is well worth it. If you get bad vibrations you can get them balanced as many times as you want until they decide they are out of round and then reorder them into that same store.
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Yes, but people don't get EMPLOYED by that, and without good paying employment, we all sink slowly down to NEEDING cheap imports just to get by.

Listen, if you want to rationalize it to feel better about it go ahead. But buying things NOT produced in this country hurts American manufacturing. Period.
Rationalizing? Hardly. The reality IS that companies form, merge, sell, and reform... and manufacturing/assembly occurs where its cost effective for the company to have it occur at the time. And the process that ultimately results in a final product typically occurs in MANY DIFFERENT countries.

Don't need to 'rationalize' reality.

But, I respect your decision to attempt to do something I consider nearly impossible.
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well order them from discount tire online and youll get free shipping and maybe some cheaper benefits inside the store. you will probably still have to pay for labor but the lifetime balancing and rotation that comes with it is well worth it. If you get bad vibrations you can get them balanced as many times as you want until they decide they are out of round and then reorder them into that same store.
Really? They do all that? AWESOME!
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Rationalizing? Hardly. The reality IS that companies form, merge, sell, and reform... and manufacturing/assembly occurs where its cost effective for the company to have it occur at the time. And the process that ultimately results in a final product typically occurs in MANY DIFFERENT countries.

Don't need to 'rationalize' reality.

But, I respect your decision to attempt to do something I consider nearly impossible.
By rationalizing, I mean you keep dismissing the idea of really TRYING to buy American as if it's too hard to be worth it. Like, it's either perfect, or don't do it at all. That's a rationalization to me that people use to let themselves off the hook: "well, companies keep changing and you can't do it right, so why do it."

But the fact is, if you are SEEKING to buy American by FIRST, then asking questions, and NOT EVEN CONSIDERING offshore products UNTIL it's impossible to do otherwise, that's all it takes.

What I hear you doing is NOT that. You're throwing up all these weak reasons why it's okay for you to buy the Nitto's. I don't respect that, sorry. You really want them and you've convinced yourself you don't have to try to buy American. Okay, it's your money -- but that's what your words say.

Be honest: you just want what you want and you don't really give a hoot about the other stuff. Too bad.

Edit: I also find it interesting that you somehow try to drape yourself with the "flag of labor", calling yourself an "UAW baby" -- don't even bother. You really don't get it and to associate yourself with anything union with the things you've posted is just silly.

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Be honest: you just want what you want and you don't really give a hoot about the other stuff. Too bad.

Edit: I also find it interesting that you somehow try to drape yourself with the "flag of labor", calling yourself an "UAW baby" -- don't even bother. You really don't get it and to associate yourself with anything union with the things you've posted is just silly.
I never said I DID 'give a hoot', now, did I? Only that I could understand how you are where you are in your thinking, as I grew up surrounded by people who view the world the way you do. (Hence the UAW reference).

Keep drawing your arbitrary lines wherever you wish, I don't really care... in a few more years even you will find it impossible to decide where to put them.

Think about it... five years ago, would you have said this:
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So I gather its ok to buy Toyotas, now, because they are now manufactured in North America?

Two words: GLOBAL ECONOMY.
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More words: experimental idea -- no proof it works. You are talking as if "global economy" was "wisdom" when "global economy" is voodoo talk. You throw terms around as it you actually understand them - which you don't.

Want to hear what global economy means?

People working for low wages, little to no benefits, and little to no labor rights or controls. Subsistence laborers that are little more than legal slaves.

That's the situation in many of those offshore places. YOU wouldn't work there under any circumstances -- but you don't mind making sure others do.

Yes, there are some good places, South Korea comes to mind -- but many of them are near totalitarian governments who control everything and whose people have a life style you would find oppressive. The vast majority can not even afford to buy the products they are making for export.

And the sad thing is: that will be the eventual conditions here as the market diverges into high wage "service jobs" (another experimental economy, the "service economy" -- never been done ANYWHERE historically and may be a disaster) and really low wage service jobs.

We won't be making anything of value -- just "servicing" one another and buying things made overseas.

It's quite a vision you have with your "global economy" talk. What it is a just a justification for you to save a little money and not have to work at it.

Very sad.

Have fun with your part of destroying American manufacturing. I consider people with your attitute basically traitors.

And with that I'll stop. I've made my point but you will REFUSE to see it, even though the proof is all around you in the loss of textiles, electronics and other big industries which at one time we had, and scarcely do any longer.
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I was looking at these tires too. Problem is that I have 15x8" wheels, and the smallest size these tires come in are 33x12.50x15. I'm guessing it would be too rough to put on an 8" wide rim? The site says 8.5" rim approved but what's that mean?
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geez...you guys get this argumentive over tires....

American vs. Foreign...always a great debate but if it were me i'd go probably foreign especially with vehicles, truck wasn't my choice so i dont wanna here it:), but that's another story

if you get them off of discount tire they usually will put them on for you since you bought them from discount tire. if you have a fitament question then take your truck to a local discount tire dealer and let them check it for you that way you won't have any problems. i would also get the warranty on the tires...the only thing, and te reason i didn't get it, is that if you move where there's no discount tire your stuck.

i was lookin at the terra grapplers and i think i may get those when i need new tires...they look pretty cool as far as off-roadability i'm not too sure. i also know that nitto car tires are kind-of crappy but my friend works at discount and he said, as well as the rest of the others that worked there, recommended them.
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