2008 EPA estimates
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2008 EPA estimates
Anybody else see this bull****? I was at an auto expo last night and I was looking at the Ranger they had, it was the same thing as my truck, 4.0 4x4. Then, I looked at the sticker and it said 14 city and 17 highway. I thought that is crazy, I get 15 if I stomp on the gas all the time in city driving. From what a friend told me, the test accelerates faster and highway speed went from 55 to 80. I think that the new measurements are crazy, so many trucks/suv's at the show were right in the 10-17 city range. Anyways, anybody have any comments or notice this too? Also, I wasn't sure where to post this, but I figured it relates to the 4.0 so I posted here. If this is the wrong spot, let me know.
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Originally Posted by HarryTasker
The new epa standards reflect actual driving habits of consumers.
How is it worse to under estimate and over perform than over estimate and under perform?
How is it worse to under estimate and over perform than over estimate and under perform?
Originally Posted by Roach2004
I WISH mine was as high and the estimate
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Originally Posted by HarryTasker
The new epa standards reflect actual driving habits of consumers.
I think it is for the better though...
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I've been in the OEM product engineering realm for going on 16years now. And it's my opinion that new car milage is a disgrace. It could be higher. Much higher.
This *mindset* is a typical OEM car company problem. The leaders think the way to "fix" this is to argue with the Gov. and then paint perceptions for the public that they are doing everything possible. It's an absolute lie!!
I sit right here right now on a cold Nov day designing interior stuff (mostly seating) for cars and truck that will be on the road 3-5years from now. You know what... ****mass**** is of Z-E-R-O concern in the design phase of developing a car. Yeah we give the token material saver here and there for a talking point. But I'm telling you.. we do not "bake in" the mentality of reducing mass.
The only way to significatly increase milage in a IC engine car is to reduce cubic inches of displacement and to reduce the mass your trying to move.
Yes there are technologies that can have effects. But those two are the biggies. Engine displacement and mass.
Rich
This *mindset* is a typical OEM car company problem. The leaders think the way to "fix" this is to argue with the Gov. and then paint perceptions for the public that they are doing everything possible. It's an absolute lie!!
I sit right here right now on a cold Nov day designing interior stuff (mostly seating) for cars and truck that will be on the road 3-5years from now. You know what... ****mass**** is of Z-E-R-O concern in the design phase of developing a car. Yeah we give the token material saver here and there for a talking point. But I'm telling you.. we do not "bake in" the mentality of reducing mass.
The only way to significatly increase milage in a IC engine car is to reduce cubic inches of displacement and to reduce the mass your trying to move.
Yes there are technologies that can have effects. But those two are the biggies. Engine displacement and mass.
Rich
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Originally Posted by greygooseranger
^^^Correct, but with that comes added cost... If you gain a few more MPG at the cost of thousands, are you really saving? Just a thought, not a fact...
i would pay 2-3k more for the same ranger that got 20mpg city than 16mpg city.
Granted my truck is not a good example for mpg at this point
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a new ranger yes, but my 03 never... even in its stock form. I got 16-18 consistently and had most of the mpg mods.
I am still not complaining I get 15-16 every time i fill up and that is with 35s and some lift.
I think the newer rangers are getting much better.
Rich, why dont they design engines to run leaner(no sure that is the term im going for), i mean they may not last as long but an engine that dies at 100k-120k miles but gets 5 mpg more or something that would be a big benefit.
I am still not complaining I get 15-16 every time i fill up and that is with 35s and some lift.
I think the newer rangers are getting much better.
Rich, why dont they design engines to run leaner(no sure that is the term im going for), i mean they may not last as long but an engine that dies at 100k-120k miles but gets 5 mpg more or something that would be a big benefit.
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