Cylinder 6 misfire on 2004 Ranger, valve recession? Where to go from here?
Cylinder 6 misfire on 2004 Ranger, valve recession? Where to go from here?
Hey everyone first post here, I’ve got a PO 306 misfire in my 04 V6 ranger with the 3.0 engine. I think it’s gotta be the valve recession or the heads as it happens only at idle and wobbles for a minute before returning to normal just like the other people described, and it doesn’t do it if I hold the gas down and keep it above 1500 rpms or so. I’ve had spark plugs and wires and coil pack replaced by my mechanic and it didn’t help . I doubt it’s injectors or anything like that. I don’t really have the tools or time to tear this thing apart, how likely is it that it’s valve recession?
I’ve been driving it for a few months and it happened after a month and in the month or two since it started misfiring it only got a little worse in that it happens a little quicker. If I ignore it what happens? How long do I have before I drop a valve? Will I still continue to wear out the heads and risk dropping a valve if I keep the rpms high and stop it from misfiring? What’s the best course of action here, it’s really not a bad truck besides this misfire issue. Someone said they replaced cam synchronizer and replaced the heads with some heavy duty ones and that seemed to fix the issue, but that was quite a few years back. Is there a consensus now on what to do with this misfire? Getting rid of the truck would be a real pain with the misfire so I’d either wanna drive it as is or get it fixed, or eventually just do an engine rebuild or put a new engine in it, or one from a ranger year without this problem. Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanks,
Peter
I’ve been driving it for a few months and it happened after a month and in the month or two since it started misfiring it only got a little worse in that it happens a little quicker. If I ignore it what happens? How long do I have before I drop a valve? Will I still continue to wear out the heads and risk dropping a valve if I keep the rpms high and stop it from misfiring? What’s the best course of action here, it’s really not a bad truck besides this misfire issue. Someone said they replaced cam synchronizer and replaced the heads with some heavy duty ones and that seemed to fix the issue, but that was quite a few years back. Is there a consensus now on what to do with this misfire? Getting rid of the truck would be a real pain with the misfire so I’d either wanna drive it as is or get it fixed, or eventually just do an engine rebuild or put a new engine in it, or one from a ranger year without this problem. Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanks,
Peter
Welcome to the forum
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Welcome to the forum
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Any time you have a misfire the first thing you should do is a compression test on all cylinders, because if it IS a compression issue you can waste alot of time and money on parts that don't help
Changing the spark plugs is fine because they do wear out, so not really a waste of money or time
The compression test tells you if compression is or is not an issue
If it is then heads will have to come off, but if the wet test doesn't show a big increase in compression then just the heads have to come off, you don't need a full rebuild because piston rings are bad
If valves are at fault for the lower compression then doesn't matter if its seats or burnt valve, fix is the same for either, new heads or full valve job
Injectors rarely fail, but if they do then its best to swap all 6(V6 engine) since they will be from the same Factory batch which can raise the probability of another failure
Compression test is not hard to do
Pull out all 6 spark plugs
Screw compression gauge into #1 cylinder
Push gas pedal to the floor and crank engine
You will hear it "hit" compression stoke, it needs to "hit" 5 times at least
Look at pressure on the gauge, it holds highest pressure seen
WRITE IT DOWN, #1 = XXX
Let pressure out of the gauge, there will be a button/pin to do that
Repeat for each cylinder
Expected pressure on 3.0l is 160+ PSI
All 6 should be within 10% of each other
The exact numbers are not as important as the AVERAGE number, because the exact numbers vary because gauges are not calibrated for exact pressure, but as long as all cylinders are tested with the same gauge the results can be averaged
Changing the spark plugs is fine because they do wear out, so not really a waste of money or time
The compression test tells you if compression is or is not an issue
If it is then heads will have to come off, but if the wet test doesn't show a big increase in compression then just the heads have to come off, you don't need a full rebuild because piston rings are bad
If valves are at fault for the lower compression then doesn't matter if its seats or burnt valve, fix is the same for either, new heads or full valve job
Injectors rarely fail, but if they do then its best to swap all 6(V6 engine) since they will be from the same Factory batch which can raise the probability of another failure
Compression test is not hard to do
Pull out all 6 spark plugs
Screw compression gauge into #1 cylinder
Push gas pedal to the floor and crank engine
You will hear it "hit" compression stoke, it needs to "hit" 5 times at least
Look at pressure on the gauge, it holds highest pressure seen
WRITE IT DOWN, #1 = XXX
Let pressure out of the gauge, there will be a button/pin to do that
Repeat for each cylinder
Expected pressure on 3.0l is 160+ PSI
All 6 should be within 10% of each other
The exact numbers are not as important as the AVERAGE number, because the exact numbers vary because gauges are not calibrated for exact pressure, but as long as all cylinders are tested with the same gauge the results can be averaged
Last edited by RonD; Jan 11, 2020 at 02:40 PM.
I own a 2001 ranger with the 3.0 flex fuel engine that I purchased with 10,000 miles on it in 2004 When I reached 65000 the miss started ,bad comp, the valves had recessed into the heads. This engine had never been replaced.
Very unusual for 2001 model
I have a 02 ranger 3.0 and I’m having similar issues leaning towards the valves 🤦🏻♂️ Did the paper test at the exhaust pipe and it was flapping in and out but I haven’t got compression test yet , random misfire code I reset it and gonna check again when it pops back up , I swapped coil pack from a friend still no fix . I pulled the wires off the coil and plug 5 made no difference in the engine idle so I’m thinking cylinder 5 is the one damged I really don’t know 😔 anyone in in NC want to make some money 🤣
Welcome to the forum
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Valve won't drop if its a failing seat
Only way to confirm if a valve is the issue is with compression test, dry and then wet, and could be a burnt valve, if it only effects the one cylinder, doesn't matter really, the fix is the same, replace BOTH heads, or have BOTH rebuilt, new seats, guides and valves
If the heads were replaced already then its for sure NOT the recessed valve seat issue, that was from a batch of bad seats installed at the Ford 3.0l engine assembly plant in 2003-2005, these were installed in 2004-2006 Rangers
They were never used as spare parts, so replacement heads could never have this issue
A dirty injector can cause issues at idle
But do compression test FIRST take that off the table before spending money on non-fixes, if its a compression issue
Last edited by corby; Jun 1, 2020 at 01:20 PM.
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