Unending Running Issues
Unending Running Issues
My truck has been idling really rough since I got it and I can't seem to track down the problem. It seems to miss every so often at idle and you can really feel it shaking while you're in it. Just earlier today I got on the throttle a little over half way and it misfired really hard. It never misses that hard when at idle. It doesn't miss during normal driving badly, seems more like just rough running. It's not as noticeable when driving at higher rpms like 2k. Not only that, but it runs so rich I get 12 MPG, you can really smell how rich it runs at the exhaust, and the plugs are pretty covered in soot after only 2k miles on them. It struggles to start too. It's not like its cranking and cranking, it immediately fires but really struggles for a couple seconds to reach idle speeds. I've replaced every single sensor in the engine bay except for the TPS sensor. Did a vacuum leak smoke test and found a leak at the lower intake manifold and pcv valve gasket, replaced both of those and that did not help at all. Not sure if I got all the vacuum leaks as I used a cobbled together smoke machine. Did a compression test too, 135-150 on all cylinders. New distributor cap, coil was replaced before I got it, timing was dialed in at 12 degrees BTDC, new oxygen sensor too. I'm just dumbfounded on what could be causing this.
Welcome to the froum
You should include year and engine with questions
1986 2.9l
O2 sensors fail after 12 years or 100k miles which ever comes first, the ONLY sensor that wears out, its like tires and brakes, except lasts long but does for sure wear out just like tires and brakes
And failed O2 WILL cause engine to run RICH
On the engine is the FPR(fuel pressure regulator) it has a fuel line AND a vacuum line, check the vacuum line for gasoline, shouldn't be any of course
Raw fuel can be sucked into the intake and cause RICH running
If its an automatic check the modulators vacuum hose for ATF
You should include year and engine with questions
1986 2.9l
O2 sensors fail after 12 years or 100k miles which ever comes first, the ONLY sensor that wears out, its like tires and brakes, except lasts long but does for sure wear out just like tires and brakes
And failed O2 WILL cause engine to run RICH
On the engine is the FPR(fuel pressure regulator) it has a fuel line AND a vacuum line, check the vacuum line for gasoline, shouldn't be any of course
Raw fuel can be sucked into the intake and cause RICH running
If its an automatic check the modulators vacuum hose for ATF
Welcome to the froum
You should include year and engine with questions
1986 2.9l
O2 sensors fail after 12 years or 100k miles which ever comes first, the ONLY sensor that wears out, its like tires and brakes, except lasts long but does for sure wear out just like tires and brakes
And failed O2 WILL cause engine to run RICH
On the engine is the FPR(fuel pressure regulator) it has a fuel line AND a vacuum line, check the vacuum line for gasoline, shouldn't be any of course
Raw fuel can be sucked into the intake and cause RICH running
If its an automatic check the modulators vacuum hose for ATF
You should include year and engine with questions
1986 2.9l
O2 sensors fail after 12 years or 100k miles which ever comes first, the ONLY sensor that wears out, its like tires and brakes, except lasts long but does for sure wear out just like tires and brakes
And failed O2 WILL cause engine to run RICH
On the engine is the FPR(fuel pressure regulator) it has a fuel line AND a vacuum line, check the vacuum line for gasoline, shouldn't be any of course
Raw fuel can be sucked into the intake and cause RICH running
If its an automatic check the modulators vacuum hose for ATF
Last edited by kxri318; Apr 12, 2023 at 09:31 PM.
Also, I didn't see any ATF in the trans modulator vacuum line.
You could try cleaning it up but the crystal does look finished
Good place to look for used parts: https://www.car-part.com/
1986
Ford Ranger
Computer Box Engine
skip areas
YOUR Zipcode
Search
New window opens
Select "Electronic Control Module" that matches what you have, i.e. 2.9l AT(automatic) or MT(manual)
Federal if its not a Calif vehicle
2WD or 4x4 doesn't really matter but select what you have
Search
Should get a list of available Computers, they will of course be 1985/86 so will be 38 years old, but................so are the "rebuilt" models, they are just cleaned up and the 2 or 3 capacitors are changed
$40-$60 is usual going rate
I didn't think the EEC-IV ever had a daughter board added, but it looks Factory
Good place to look for used parts: https://www.car-part.com/
1986
Ford Ranger
Computer Box Engine
skip areas
YOUR Zipcode
Search
New window opens
Select "Electronic Control Module" that matches what you have, i.e. 2.9l AT(automatic) or MT(manual)
Federal if its not a Calif vehicle
2WD or 4x4 doesn't really matter but select what you have
Search
Should get a list of available Computers, they will of course be 1985/86 so will be 38 years old, but................so are the "rebuilt" models, they are just cleaned up and the 2 or 3 capacitors are changed
$40-$60 is usual going rate
I didn't think the EEC-IV ever had a daughter board added, but it looks Factory
You could try cleaning it up but the crystal does look finished
Good place to look for used parts: https://www.car-part.com/
1986
Ford Ranger
Computer Box Engine
skip areas
YOUR Zipcode
Search
New window opens
Select "Electronic Control Module" that matches what you have, i.e. 2.9l AT(automatic) or MT(manual)
Federal if its not a Calif vehicle
2WD or 4x4 doesn't really matter but select what you have
Search
Should get a list of available Computers, they will of course be 1985/86 so will be 38 years old, but................so are the "rebuilt" models, they are just cleaned up and the 2 or 3 capacitors are changed
$40-$60 is usual going rate
I didn't think the EEC-IV ever had a daughter board added, but it looks Factory
Good place to look for used parts: https://www.car-part.com/
1986
Ford Ranger
Computer Box Engine
skip areas
YOUR Zipcode
Search
New window opens
Select "Electronic Control Module" that matches what you have, i.e. 2.9l AT(automatic) or MT(manual)
Federal if its not a Calif vehicle
2WD or 4x4 doesn't really matter but select what you have
Search
Should get a list of available Computers, they will of course be 1985/86 so will be 38 years old, but................so are the "rebuilt" models, they are just cleaned up and the 2 or 3 capacitors are changed
$40-$60 is usual going rate
I didn't think the EEC-IV ever had a daughter board added, but it looks Factory
My current one is a e6pf-12a650-c2a, but I see a lot more E6TF-12A650-P2A. The closest one thats my part number is 80 miles.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184531568980 There is a reman on ebay that says it's to replace either E6PF or E6TF so I'd assume they're interchangeable, but not sure.
Last edited by kxri318; Apr 16, 2023 at 11:41 AM.
The first 4 numbers are year and vehicle and department
E6 = 1986, E9 = 1989, E1 = 1981(F = 199, so F4 = 1994)
P = passenger car
T = truck
F = the department/division at Ford responsible for this part
P or T wouldn't matter in 1980's
(in the late 1980's 7 replaced T, 7 = Ranger)
12A650 = the part number of any Ford Computer for any model or any year, a 2023 Ford will have a 12A650 computer in it, this number is often left out when looking for Ford computers because it is the same for all Ford computers
So you would see
E6TF-P2A
e6pf-c2a
Listed without the 12A650 in between
Last digits are software/firmware versions, these matter the most, as they denote engine size, emissions, manual or automatic transmission
And Ford NEVER published any cross reference for these
But over the years there have been cross references put together, I don't have them, but it seems many wrecking yards have kept track of what came from what so are fairly reliable, if they say it matches then it usually does
Also Computer rebuilders are usually correct
E6 = 1986, E9 = 1989, E1 = 1981(F = 199, so F4 = 1994)
P = passenger car
T = truck
F = the department/division at Ford responsible for this part
P or T wouldn't matter in 1980's
(in the late 1980's 7 replaced T, 7 = Ranger)
12A650 = the part number of any Ford Computer for any model or any year, a 2023 Ford will have a 12A650 computer in it, this number is often left out when looking for Ford computers because it is the same for all Ford computers
So you would see
E6TF-P2A
e6pf-c2a
Listed without the 12A650 in between
Last digits are software/firmware versions, these matter the most, as they denote engine size, emissions, manual or automatic transmission
And Ford NEVER published any cross reference for these
But over the years there have been cross references put together, I don't have them, but it seems many wrecking yards have kept track of what came from what so are fairly reliable, if they say it matches then it usually does
Also Computer rebuilders are usually correct
Last edited by RonD; Apr 17, 2023 at 11:32 AM.
The first 4 numbers are year and vehicle and department
E6 = 1986, E9 = 1989, E1 = 1981(F = 199, so F4 = 1994)
P = passenger car
T = truck
F = the department/division at Ford responsible for this part
P or T wouldn't matter in 1980's
(in the late 1980's 7 replaced T, 7 = Ranger)
12A650 = the part number of any Ford Computer for any model or any year, a 2023 Ford will have a 12A650 computer in it, this number is often left out when looking for Ford computers because it is the same for all Ford computers
So you would see
E6TF-P2A
e6pf-c2a
Listed without the 12A650 in between
Last digits are software/firmware versions, these matter the most, as they denote engine size, emissions, manual or automatic transmission
And Ford NEVER published any cross reference for these
But over the years there have been cross references put together, I don't have them, but it seems many wrecking yards have kept track of what came from what so are fairly reliable, if they say it matches then it usually does
Also Computer rebuilders are usually correct
E6 = 1986, E9 = 1989, E1 = 1981(F = 199, so F4 = 1994)
P = passenger car
T = truck
F = the department/division at Ford responsible for this part
P or T wouldn't matter in 1980's
(in the late 1980's 7 replaced T, 7 = Ranger)
12A650 = the part number of any Ford Computer for any model or any year, a 2023 Ford will have a 12A650 computer in it, this number is often left out when looking for Ford computers because it is the same for all Ford computers
So you would see
E6TF-P2A
e6pf-c2a
Listed without the 12A650 in between
Last digits are software/firmware versions, these matter the most, as they denote engine size, emissions, manual or automatic transmission
And Ford NEVER published any cross reference for these
But over the years there have been cross references put together, I don't have them, but it seems many wrecking yards have kept track of what came from what so are fairly reliable, if they say it matches then it usually does
Also Computer rebuilders are usually correct
Should idle high on cold start, 1,000+ RPMs
Then as coolant warms up idle should slowly drop to about 750 for automatic or 650 for manual, V6 engines, 4cyl in the 800's
New Computer or reset computer needs to learn IAC Valve settings so can wander a bit but not very long maybe 2 drive cycles
Re-describe idle issues
Then as coolant warms up idle should slowly drop to about 750 for automatic or 650 for manual, V6 engines, 4cyl in the 800's
New Computer or reset computer needs to learn IAC Valve settings so can wander a bit but not very long maybe 2 drive cycles
Re-describe idle issues
Last edited by RonD; Apr 21, 2023 at 08:53 PM.
Should idle high on cold start, 1,00+ RPMs
Then as coolant warms up idle should slowly drop to about 750 for automatic or 650 for manual, V6 engines, 4cyl in the 800's
New Computer or reset computer needs to learn IAC Valve settings so can wander a bit but not very long maybe 2 drive cycles
Re-describe idle issues
Then as coolant warms up idle should slowly drop to about 750 for automatic or 650 for manual, V6 engines, 4cyl in the 800's
New Computer or reset computer needs to learn IAC Valve settings so can wander a bit but not very long maybe 2 drive cycles
Re-describe idle issues
You can't/shouldn't set the idle on any fuel injected engine, that's the computers job
If you are using the anti-diesel screw then don't
Warm up the engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC Valve
Turn anti-diesel screw counter clockwise until engine is barely running, but running, usually 600rpm
Plug IAC Valve back in and RPMs should go back up to "target idle", the RPM level the computer has in memory
If you manually set the idle it does two things
First, it can make TPS(throttle sensor) voltage too high
Second, computer can't set low idle and becomes confused, not "confused" like a person, confused in that it has a parameter it can not control, so that can effect other things
Drive it a bit more and see how MPG does
Clean spark plugs, if it was running Rich like you said then they need to be cleaned
135 to 150 compression is not great, that is at 10% difference, especially if 4 were at 150 and 1 or 2 were 135
Do the Dollar bill test on tail pipe
Google: Exhaust dollar bill test
See if you have a burnt exhaust valve, watch the videos, easy test
A spark or fuel misfire will not cause the bill to move out as far
Burnt exhaust valve misfire will pull the bill back towards tail pipe
If you have another vehicle that's not misfiring test on that as well
If you are using the anti-diesel screw then don't
Warm up the engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC Valve
Turn anti-diesel screw counter clockwise until engine is barely running, but running, usually 600rpm
Plug IAC Valve back in and RPMs should go back up to "target idle", the RPM level the computer has in memory
If you manually set the idle it does two things
First, it can make TPS(throttle sensor) voltage too high
Second, computer can't set low idle and becomes confused, not "confused" like a person, confused in that it has a parameter it can not control, so that can effect other things
Drive it a bit more and see how MPG does
Clean spark plugs, if it was running Rich like you said then they need to be cleaned
135 to 150 compression is not great, that is at 10% difference, especially if 4 were at 150 and 1 or 2 were 135
Do the Dollar bill test on tail pipe
Google: Exhaust dollar bill test
See if you have a burnt exhaust valve, watch the videos, easy test
A spark or fuel misfire will not cause the bill to move out as far
Burnt exhaust valve misfire will pull the bill back towards tail pipe
If you have another vehicle that's not misfiring test on that as well
You can't/shouldn't set the idle on any fuel injected engine, that's the computers job
If you are using the anti-diesel screw then don't
Warm up the engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC Valve
Turn anti-diesel screw counter clockwise until engine is barely running, but running, usually 600rpm
Plug IAC Valve back in and RPMs should go back up to "target idle", the RPM level the computer has in memory
If you manually set the idle it does two things
First, it can make TPS(throttle sensor) voltage too high
Second, computer can't set low idle and becomes confused, not "confused" like a person, confused in that it has a parameter it can not control, so that can effect other things
Drive it a bit more and see how MPG does
Clean spark plugs, if it was running Rich like you said then they need to be cleaned
135 to 150 compression is not great, that is at 10% difference, especially if 4 were at 150 and 1 or 2 were 135
Do the Dollar bill test on tail pipe
Google: Exhaust dollar bill test
See if you have a burnt exhaust valve, watch the videos, easy test
A spark or fuel misfire will not cause the bill to move out as far
Burnt exhaust valve misfire will pull the bill back towards tail pipe
If you have another vehicle that's not misfiring test on that as well
If you are using the anti-diesel screw then don't
Warm up the engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC Valve
Turn anti-diesel screw counter clockwise until engine is barely running, but running, usually 600rpm
Plug IAC Valve back in and RPMs should go back up to "target idle", the RPM level the computer has in memory
If you manually set the idle it does two things
First, it can make TPS(throttle sensor) voltage too high
Second, computer can't set low idle and becomes confused, not "confused" like a person, confused in that it has a parameter it can not control, so that can effect other things
Drive it a bit more and see how MPG does
Clean spark plugs, if it was running Rich like you said then they need to be cleaned
135 to 150 compression is not great, that is at 10% difference, especially if 4 were at 150 and 1 or 2 were 135
Do the Dollar bill test on tail pipe
Google: Exhaust dollar bill test
See if you have a burnt exhaust valve, watch the videos, easy test
A spark or fuel misfire will not cause the bill to move out as far
Burnt exhaust valve misfire will pull the bill back towards tail pipe
If you have another vehicle that's not misfiring test on that as well
These were the compression test results:
Cyl 1: 135/140
Cyl 2: 140
Cyl 3: 145
Cyl 4: 135
Cyl 5: 145/150
Cyl 6: 145
I forgot to do the dollar bill test while I was out so I'll do that some time soon
Those numbers are OK
Rule of thumb leave out the highest and lowest cylinders, add up the remaining cylinders, then divide that by 4 in the case of V6, to get an average PSI
140
140
145
145
142.5
Didn't include cylinders 4 and 5
10% of 142 is 14.2, so 14
142 - 14 = 128
142 + 14 = 156
So any cylinders lower then 128 or higher than 156 may have an issue, 10% away from average
Although the 135psi is still on the radar, lol
Its odd you have 800rpm in Park idle(warm engine) then lower "in gear idle" just the opposite of what it should be, computer should detect dropping idle RPM, instantly, when "in gear" and increase voltage to IAC Valve to compensate
I would expect 800rpm in gear, with automatic, 700-750 in Park, so odd
Computers with IAC Valves are +/-4rpm accurate so a very precise setup, and it reacts very quickly
I see why you had to adjust the anti-diesel screw to prevent stalling, but you really shouldn't have to
There is no "in gear" status for the computer on the A4LDs, that didn't start until the 1995 DTR sensors
EEC-IV Computer does have a "neutral" sense, pin 30, but in Rangers all it got was 12v when starting the engine
Rule of thumb leave out the highest and lowest cylinders, add up the remaining cylinders, then divide that by 4 in the case of V6, to get an average PSI
140
140
145
145
142.5
Didn't include cylinders 4 and 5
10% of 142 is 14.2, so 14
142 - 14 = 128
142 + 14 = 156
So any cylinders lower then 128 or higher than 156 may have an issue, 10% away from average
Although the 135psi is still on the radar, lol
Its odd you have 800rpm in Park idle(warm engine) then lower "in gear idle" just the opposite of what it should be, computer should detect dropping idle RPM, instantly, when "in gear" and increase voltage to IAC Valve to compensate
I would expect 800rpm in gear, with automatic, 700-750 in Park, so odd
Computers with IAC Valves are +/-4rpm accurate so a very precise setup, and it reacts very quickly
I see why you had to adjust the anti-diesel screw to prevent stalling, but you really shouldn't have to
There is no "in gear" status for the computer on the A4LDs, that didn't start until the 1995 DTR sensors
EEC-IV Computer does have a "neutral" sense, pin 30, but in Rangers all it got was 12v when starting the engine
Those numbers are OK
Rule of thumb leave out the highest and lowest cylinders, add up the remaining cylinders, then divide that by 4 in the case of V6, to get an average PSI
140
140
145
145
142.5
Didn't include cylinders 4 and 5
10% of 142 is 14.2, so 14
142 - 14 = 128
142 + 14 = 156
So any cylinders lower then 128 or higher than 156 may have an issue, 10% away from average
Although the 135psi is still on the radar, lol
Its odd you have 800rpm in Park idle(warm engine) then lower "in gear idle" just the opposite of what it should be, computer should detect dropping idle RPM, instantly, when "in gear" and increase voltage to IAC Valve to compensate
I would expect 800rpm in gear, with automatic, 700-750 in Park, so odd
Computers with IAC Valves are +/-4rpm accurate so a very precise setup, and it reacts very quickly
I see why you had to adjust the anti-diesel screw to prevent stalling, but you really shouldn't have to
There is no "in gear" status for the computer on the A4LDs, that didn't start until the 1995 DTR sensors
EEC-IV Computer does have a "neutral" sense, pin 30, but in Rangers all it got was 12v when starting the engine
Rule of thumb leave out the highest and lowest cylinders, add up the remaining cylinders, then divide that by 4 in the case of V6, to get an average PSI
140
140
145
145
142.5
Didn't include cylinders 4 and 5
10% of 142 is 14.2, so 14
142 - 14 = 128
142 + 14 = 156
So any cylinders lower then 128 or higher than 156 may have an issue, 10% away from average
Although the 135psi is still on the radar, lol
Its odd you have 800rpm in Park idle(warm engine) then lower "in gear idle" just the opposite of what it should be, computer should detect dropping idle RPM, instantly, when "in gear" and increase voltage to IAC Valve to compensate
I would expect 800rpm in gear, with automatic, 700-750 in Park, so odd
Computers with IAC Valves are +/-4rpm accurate so a very precise setup, and it reacts very quickly
I see why you had to adjust the anti-diesel screw to prevent stalling, but you really shouldn't have to
There is no "in gear" status for the computer on the A4LDs, that didn't start until the 1995 DTR sensors
EEC-IV Computer does have a "neutral" sense, pin 30, but in Rangers all it got was 12v when starting the engine
With computer control it will drop then come back up, that's the point of computer control, with a carb it can only drop unless it had a small computer operating an electric solenoid to kick up idle when in gear
Those were the first IAC(idle air control) Valves, lol, they opened up throttle a bit more letting in more air
Does current IAC Valve look like a Motorcraft or Hitachi brand?
Those are the only 2 IAC Valves that will work correctly with Ford software, they are true solenoid valves
If you want you can put a volt meter on the IAC valves 2 wires while its plugged in, warm engine
With key on/engine off you should see close to 12volts
Then start the engine, all EFI engines should surge above 1,000rpm on startup, warm or cold, its because computer has opened IAC Valve all the way, with 12volts
Should then see voltage drop, there is no "correct voltage" the computer "learns" the voltage to set, for say 700rpm idle, with this one IAC Valve on this one engine
But 7 to 8volts maybe
Then have someone shift it into gear
RPMs should drop and then come back up as computer increase voltage, should be instant, you should see a voltage jump, may not be much but should go up as should RPMs
If you see the voltage "bump up" but idle doesn't go up then could be IAC Valve issue
Those were the first IAC(idle air control) Valves, lol, they opened up throttle a bit more letting in more air
Does current IAC Valve look like a Motorcraft or Hitachi brand?
Those are the only 2 IAC Valves that will work correctly with Ford software, they are true solenoid valves
If you want you can put a volt meter on the IAC valves 2 wires while its plugged in, warm engine
With key on/engine off you should see close to 12volts
Then start the engine, all EFI engines should surge above 1,000rpm on startup, warm or cold, its because computer has opened IAC Valve all the way, with 12volts
Should then see voltage drop, there is no "correct voltage" the computer "learns" the voltage to set, for say 700rpm idle, with this one IAC Valve on this one engine
But 7 to 8volts maybe
Then have someone shift it into gear
RPMs should drop and then come back up as computer increase voltage, should be instant, you should see a voltage jump, may not be much but should go up as should RPMs
If you see the voltage "bump up" but idle doesn't go up then could be IAC Valve issue
With computer control it will drop then come back up, that's the point of computer control, with a carb it can only drop unless it had a small computer operating an electric solenoid to kick up idle when in gear
Those were the first IAC(idle air control) Valves, lol, they opened up throttle a bit more letting in more air
Does current IAC Valve look like a Motorcraft or Hitachi brand?
Those are the only 2 IAC Valves that will work correctly with Ford software, they are true solenoid valves
If you want you can put a volt meter on the IAC valves 2 wires while its plugged in, warm engine
With key on/engine off you should see close to 12volts
Then start the engine, all EFI engines should surge above 1,000rpm on startup, warm or cold, its because computer has opened IAC Valve all the way, with 12volts
Should then see voltage drop, there is no "correct voltage" the computer "learns" the voltage to set, for say 700rpm idle, with this one IAC Valve on this one engine
But 7 to 8volts maybe
Then have someone shift it into gear
RPMs should drop and then come back up as computer increase voltage, should be instant, you should see a voltage jump, may not be much but should go up as should RPMs
If you see the voltage "bump up" but idle doesn't go up then could be IAC Valve issue
Those were the first IAC(idle air control) Valves, lol, they opened up throttle a bit more letting in more air
Does current IAC Valve look like a Motorcraft or Hitachi brand?
Those are the only 2 IAC Valves that will work correctly with Ford software, they are true solenoid valves
If you want you can put a volt meter on the IAC valves 2 wires while its plugged in, warm engine
With key on/engine off you should see close to 12volts
Then start the engine, all EFI engines should surge above 1,000rpm on startup, warm or cold, its because computer has opened IAC Valve all the way, with 12volts
Should then see voltage drop, there is no "correct voltage" the computer "learns" the voltage to set, for say 700rpm idle, with this one IAC Valve on this one engine
But 7 to 8volts maybe
Then have someone shift it into gear
RPMs should drop and then come back up as computer increase voltage, should be instant, you should see a voltage jump, may not be much but should go up as should RPMs
If you see the voltage "bump up" but idle doesn't go up then could be IAC Valve issue
looks exactly like this one front to back
At cold startup it sits at around 1,650 RPM for a couple seconds then drops down to 1.2K and slowly drops to idle from there while it warms up.
At warm startup it does that but drops down to idle immediately.
I'll measure the voltage there tomorrow when I do the dollar bill test too.
Last edited by kxri318; Apr 22, 2023 at 07:37 PM.
Sounds like its working like it should
Except for the bump up when idle drops too low, that shouldn't happen
Not motorcraft or hitachi brand
If there is a wrecking yard near by see if you can find an original motorcraft IAC Valve, they were the same over many years just the connector changed
I wouldn't buy a new one just yet since you can avoid stalling by adjusting the anti-diesel screw
Except for the bump up when idle drops too low, that shouldn't happen
Not motorcraft or hitachi brand
If there is a wrecking yard near by see if you can find an original motorcraft IAC Valve, they were the same over many years just the connector changed
I wouldn't buy a new one just yet since you can avoid stalling by adjusting the anti-diesel screw
Sounds like its working like it should
Except for the bump up when idle drops too low, that shouldn't happen
Not motorcraft or hitachi brand
If there is a wrecking yard near by see if you can find an original motorcraft IAC Valve, they were the same over many years just the connector changed
I wouldn't buy a new one just yet since you can avoid stalling by adjusting the anti-diesel screw
Except for the bump up when idle drops too low, that shouldn't happen
Not motorcraft or hitachi brand
If there is a wrecking yard near by see if you can find an original motorcraft IAC Valve, they were the same over many years just the connector changed
I wouldn't buy a new one just yet since you can avoid stalling by adjusting the anti-diesel screw
Just as a testing method for wires, I use sewing pins to pierce wires and then have alligator clip add-on's for volt meter probes, so I can test wires at different places
Sewing pins won't hurt insulation or the wire inside, put pins in at an angle so they slide in farther, and not close to another pin so they could short out, lol
They actually sell needle probes, but I am cheap, and the separate "needles" with the clips don't need to be held in place so I can put the meter where I can see it from cab or other side of engine bay as needed, and have both hands free
Good that there is no sucking at tail pipe
Sewing pins won't hurt insulation or the wire inside, put pins in at an angle so they slide in farther, and not close to another pin so they could short out, lol
They actually sell needle probes, but I am cheap, and the separate "needles" with the clips don't need to be held in place so I can put the meter where I can see it from cab or other side of engine bay as needed, and have both hands free
Good that there is no sucking at tail pipe
Just as a testing method for wires, I use sewing pins to pierce wires and then have alligator clip add-on's for volt meter probes, so I can test wires at different places
Sewing pins won't hurt insulation or the wire inside, put pins in at an angle so they slide in farther, and not close to another pin so they could short out, lol
They actually sell needle probes, but I am cheap, and the separate "needles" with the clips don't need to be held in place so I can put the meter where I can see it from cab or other side of engine bay as needed, and have both hands free
Good that there is no sucking at tail pipe
Sewing pins won't hurt insulation or the wire inside, put pins in at an angle so they slide in farther, and not close to another pin so they could short out, lol
They actually sell needle probes, but I am cheap, and the separate "needles" with the clips don't need to be held in place so I can put the meter where I can see it from cab or other side of engine bay as needed, and have both hands free
Good that there is no sucking at tail pipe
Good data
That is odd that the RPMs did not go up with voltage, i.e. 8.95v to 9.34v, ain't much but ain't 0 either
"at about 800rpm was 8.95v and kept climbing slowly until it plateaued at 9.34v"
Shouldn't have stayed at same RPM
Computer will vary the volts a little to keep a steady Idle, 200rpm drop should have spiked voltage to keep idle up, more than 0.3v, but it did respond a little
I assume you have an onboard tachometer?
Computer has onboard tach tied to the same wire so should have the same data from TFI module
I am puzzled
That is odd that the RPMs did not go up with voltage, i.e. 8.95v to 9.34v, ain't much but ain't 0 either
"at about 800rpm was 8.95v and kept climbing slowly until it plateaued at 9.34v"
Shouldn't have stayed at same RPM
Computer will vary the volts a little to keep a steady Idle, 200rpm drop should have spiked voltage to keep idle up, more than 0.3v, but it did respond a little
I assume you have an onboard tachometer?
Computer has onboard tach tied to the same wire so should have the same data from TFI module
I am puzzled
Good data
That is odd that the RPMs did not go up with voltage, i.e. 8.95v to 9.34v, ain't much but ain't 0 either
"at about 800rpm was 8.95v and kept climbing slowly until it plateaued at 9.34v"
Shouldn't have stayed at same RPM
Computer will vary the volts a little to keep a steady Idle, 200rpm drop should have spiked voltage to keep idle up, more than 0.3v, but it did respond a little
I assume you have an onboard tachometer?
Computer has onboard tach tied to the same wire so should have the same data from TFI module
I am puzzled
That is odd that the RPMs did not go up with voltage, i.e. 8.95v to 9.34v, ain't much but ain't 0 either
"at about 800rpm was 8.95v and kept climbing slowly until it plateaued at 9.34v"
Shouldn't have stayed at same RPM
Computer will vary the volts a little to keep a steady Idle, 200rpm drop should have spiked voltage to keep idle up, more than 0.3v, but it did respond a little
I assume you have an onboard tachometer?
Computer has onboard tach tied to the same wire so should have the same data from TFI module
I am puzzled
Yes, Ford uses PWM(pulse width modulation) on the Ground wire of the IAC Valve
So the red wire always has Battery Voltage(system voltage) with key on(engine on or off)
The computer pulses the ground wire(grey wire) which in effect lowers the voltage inside the IAC Valves solenoid
A Solenoid is a coil of wire around a metal tube/core, when voltage is applied the metal tube/core becomes an electro-magnet, so works the same as a Relay, except relays are on/off, solenoids provide movement so can have more than just on/off, open/closed
There is a spring in the IAC Valve that holds the valve closed
As voltage is applied, the electro-magnet over comes spring pressure and pulls open the valve to let in more air, raising RPMs
With feedback from the tach(TFI module/coil -) the computer can Pulse the ground wire to slightly move the valve position in or out, accurate to +/- 4rpm
There is another popular method to do this, called a Step or Stepper motor, basically a digital positioning motor, it turns to a specific position if it gets a specific voltage pulse/level
3rd party IAC Valves can have this setup to be more "universal"
Motorcraft and Hitachi are the only brands that don't, they are true solenoids
Another test you can do with volt meter connected to IAC Valve ground wire and battery positive with warm engine idling
Remove a small vacuum hose from intake, idle will go up of course, and voltage should go down instantly in response
Use your finger on vacuum port to vary the leak to see computers voltage response, how quick it reacts
And then remove the air tube(from air filter) on the upper intake
With engine idling, use a gloved hand to cover up the throttle body to reduce air flow and idle, to see computers response to lower RPMs
IAC Valve would have nothing to do with misfires, that is a separate issue
So the red wire always has Battery Voltage(system voltage) with key on(engine on or off)
The computer pulses the ground wire(grey wire) which in effect lowers the voltage inside the IAC Valves solenoid
A Solenoid is a coil of wire around a metal tube/core, when voltage is applied the metal tube/core becomes an electro-magnet, so works the same as a Relay, except relays are on/off, solenoids provide movement so can have more than just on/off, open/closed
There is a spring in the IAC Valve that holds the valve closed
As voltage is applied, the electro-magnet over comes spring pressure and pulls open the valve to let in more air, raising RPMs
With feedback from the tach(TFI module/coil -) the computer can Pulse the ground wire to slightly move the valve position in or out, accurate to +/- 4rpm
There is another popular method to do this, called a Step or Stepper motor, basically a digital positioning motor, it turns to a specific position if it gets a specific voltage pulse/level
3rd party IAC Valves can have this setup to be more "universal"
Motorcraft and Hitachi are the only brands that don't, they are true solenoids
Another test you can do with volt meter connected to IAC Valve ground wire and battery positive with warm engine idling
Remove a small vacuum hose from intake, idle will go up of course, and voltage should go down instantly in response
Use your finger on vacuum port to vary the leak to see computers voltage response, how quick it reacts
And then remove the air tube(from air filter) on the upper intake
With engine idling, use a gloved hand to cover up the throttle body to reduce air flow and idle, to see computers response to lower RPMs
IAC Valve would have nothing to do with misfires, that is a separate issue
Yes, Ford uses PWM(pulse width modulation) on the Ground wire of the IAC Valve
So the red wire always has Battery Voltage(system voltage) with key on(engine on or off)
The computer pulses the ground wire(grey wire) which in effect lowers the voltage inside the IAC Valves solenoid
A Solenoid is a coil of wire around a metal tube/core, when voltage is applied the metal tube/core becomes an electro-magnet, so works the same as a Relay, except relays are on/off, solenoids provide movement so can have more than just on/off, open/closed
There is a spring in the IAC Valve that holds the valve closed
As voltage is applied, the electro-magnet over comes spring pressure and pulls open the valve to let in more air, raising RPMs
With feedback from the tach(TFI module/coil -) the computer can Pulse the ground wire to slightly move the valve position in or out, accurate to +/- 4rpm
There is another popular method to do this, called a Step or Stepper motor, basically a digital positioning motor, it turns to a specific position if it gets a specific voltage pulse/level
3rd party IAC Valves can have this setup to be more "universal"
Motorcraft and Hitachi are the only brands that don't, they are true solenoids
Another test you can do with volt meter connected to IAC Valve ground wire and battery positive with warm engine idling
Remove a small vacuum hose from intake, idle will go up of course, and voltage should go down instantly in response
Use your finger on vacuum port to vary the leak to see computers voltage response, how quick it reacts
And then remove the air tube(from air filter) on the upper intake
With engine idling, use a gloved hand to cover up the throttle body to reduce air flow and idle, to see computers response to lower RPMs
IAC Valve would have nothing to do with misfires, that is a separate issue
So the red wire always has Battery Voltage(system voltage) with key on(engine on or off)
The computer pulses the ground wire(grey wire) which in effect lowers the voltage inside the IAC Valves solenoid
A Solenoid is a coil of wire around a metal tube/core, when voltage is applied the metal tube/core becomes an electro-magnet, so works the same as a Relay, except relays are on/off, solenoids provide movement so can have more than just on/off, open/closed
There is a spring in the IAC Valve that holds the valve closed
As voltage is applied, the electro-magnet over comes spring pressure and pulls open the valve to let in more air, raising RPMs
With feedback from the tach(TFI module/coil -) the computer can Pulse the ground wire to slightly move the valve position in or out, accurate to +/- 4rpm
There is another popular method to do this, called a Step or Stepper motor, basically a digital positioning motor, it turns to a specific position if it gets a specific voltage pulse/level
3rd party IAC Valves can have this setup to be more "universal"
Motorcraft and Hitachi are the only brands that don't, they are true solenoids
Another test you can do with volt meter connected to IAC Valve ground wire and battery positive with warm engine idling
Remove a small vacuum hose from intake, idle will go up of course, and voltage should go down instantly in response
Use your finger on vacuum port to vary the leak to see computers voltage response, how quick it reacts
And then remove the air tube(from air filter) on the upper intake
With engine idling, use a gloved hand to cover up the throttle body to reduce air flow and idle, to see computers response to lower RPMs
IAC Valve would have nothing to do with misfires, that is a separate issue
Covering up the throttle body didn't change the voltage at all. It just sat around 8.53v until I accidentally choked it out and it stalled.


