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351c versus windsor, what are the differences?

im tired of the 3.0 so its time for it to go. Is the 351 need alot of modding for a 97 splash? ive gone through some posts and it seems to have mixed reviews, let me know what you think. what is the difference between clevelands and windsors?

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why not swap in a 302, it would probably be easier.

edit: and cheaper. hold on i change my mind, how many miles your truck have?? i mean... why not just sell your truck and get an f-150 with a v8 in it already?
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its the point of having a small little ranger and having a v8 in it.
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If you have the skill, knowledge, and help do it. It won't be easy, wasn't exactly meant to go there. The block size of the 351 isn't all that different from a 302 (don't remember exactly the dimensions off hand). But of course the 351 will put out a little bit larger numbers. It's not that the 351 will need ne where near as many mods as the splash will. A body lift helps but I doubt your going that route.
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thas going to be one hella fast Ranger! lol! there were 2 versions of the 351. The Cleveland which is the big block and the Windsor which is the small block. The Cleveland will cost more upfront, there harder to find and some extensive mods will need to be done to fit that bad boy in there. Firewall, frame reinforcement, etc...

The Windsor you can find almost anywhere, easier to work with and doesn't cost as much and still have a *****in ride.

Don't know if you have the book already but these guys know there stuff when it comes to V8 Ranger swaps. I have the book and it gives you a good boost of knowledge. -Mike-

http://www.mre-books.com/ranger.html
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If you have the skill, knowledge, and help do it. It won't be easy, wasn't exactly meant to go there. The block size of the 351 isn't all that different from a 302 (don't remember exactly the dimensions off hand). But of course the 351 will put out a little bit larger numbers. It's not that the 351 will need ne where near as many mods as the splash will. A body lift helps but I doubt your going that route.
ya thats what i meant, what the ranger mods needed. 302 would be nice but a 351 is well... a 351 lol
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thas going to be one hella fast Ranger! lol! there were 2 versions of the 351. The Cleveland which is the big block and the Windsor which is the small block. The Cleveland will cost more upfront, there harder to find and some extensive mods will need to be done to fit that bad boy in there. Firewall, frame reinforcement, etc...

The Windsor you can find almost anywhere, easier to work with and doesn't cost as much and still have a *****in ride.

Don't know if you have the book already but these guys know there stuff when it comes to V8 Ranger swaps. I have the book and it gives you a good boost of knowledge. -Mike-

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351-C was a big block??
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351-C was a big block??
It was physically big enough to be a big block, and by many is considered a big block. But still many others consider it a small block because of it's mid sized displacement.
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Strange, Cleveland heads fit on a Windsor shortblock - Boss 302...
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same block different heads
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same block different heads

???

I was being sarcastic...

The Cleveland engine is only a bit bigger, especially up front. The Cleveland heads can be run on a windsor (289/302/351W) block, as Ford did with the Boss engine back in the day.
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???

I was being sarcastic...

The Cleveland engine is only a bit bigger, especially up front. The Cleveland heads can be run on a windsor (289/302/351W) block, as Ford did with the Boss engine back in the day.

no that was to someone telling me the difference between a cleveland and windsor was big to small block, lol i still am confused dammit, what i want to know is if i trip over a cleveland tomorrow will it fit in the ranger lol
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The 351 C is not a big block. It is a small block Ford. The only thing big block about the is motor is the the Transmission bolt pattern. IT its part of the 335 Series of Ford Engines. This engine went out of production.in 1975
The 351-C was only ever put in one modle of ford Truck and that was the Ranchero. It was then by the 351m Block which is a destorked 400 Ford. Ford Produced these motors well in to 82.
I would look for a Windsor. They can be really pumped up.
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Yes it will fit. You will be doing more work then a 302, but it will fit.
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It isn't just a straight bolt on to a Windsor block (heads) it requires a good bit of machining, and a Boss 302 is not Cleveland heads on a 302 block, it is Cleveland "style" heads on a Boss 302 block. A Boss 302 block is much different than a Windsor 302. Boss 302 have 4 bolt mains and a few other changes, Windsor 302's have 2 bolt mains.
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i didnt mention this in the beginning but we want to possibley supercharge the motor. couple guys mentioned that if i wanna go that way to do a 5.0 because it would rev higher? any input?
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i got a cleavland in my torino, you got a 427 cobra jet laying around ill do a trade lol
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It isn't just a straight bolt on to a Windsor block (heads) it requires a good bit of machining, and a Boss 302 is not Cleveland heads on a 302 block, it is Cleveland "style" heads on a Boss 302 block. A Boss 302 block is much different than a Windsor 302. Boss 302 have 4 bolt mains and a few other changes, Windsor 302's have 2 bolt mains.

Boy, thanks for the lesson. I know a Boss 302 block very well. Used to have one before I went to the 351W. The Boss 302 is a windsor design with thicker webbing, 4 bolt mains, and screw in freeze plugs. All mating surfaces and dimensions are identical to a 302 Windsor engine.

The Boss 302 heads are the predecessor to the 351C 4V heads. Only significant differences are the water passages and combustion chamber size.

My point was a 351C and Windsor engine share the same bore and cylinder spacing. All to clarify the 351C as a small block. It just has larger proportions up front and with the heads / intake.
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whats a 351?
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its the amount of headaches ive gotten tryiong to figure out the diff between a cleveland and a windsor lol
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whats a 351?

lol ?? its another ford v8..
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don't forget your option of a 351M/400........but those are big blocks......companies are starting to build aftermarket parts for them now.....my brother has a bored/stroked/roller rockered/balanced/blue printed 400 in his '79 F-150 show truck that will roast all 4 tires in 4-low.......it wont run on pump gas with its 13.5:1 compression ratio......

they can be built and anything can be done if you have the money...

FYI: 302 underdrive pulleys fit and line up on a 400 v8....
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lol ?? its another ford v8..
i was kidding around..








but seriously.... whats a V8?
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The 351M/400 is a Small Block Ford. It only has a big block Bolt pattern. The aftermarket is limited to for these motors.
Here are are a couple links about them it is a Good read.
http://www.projectbronco.com/Technic...rces%20Sources

These motors are tourquey though I should know I have one in my in my 78 Bronco.
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The 351M/400 is a Small Block Ford. It only has a big block Bolt pattern. The aftermarket is limited to for these motors.
Here are are a couple links about them it is a Good read.
http://www.projectbronco.com/Technic...rces%20Sources

These motors are tourquey though I should know I have one in my in my 78 Bronco.
actually the 351M/400 is a medium block engine.......designed to be between a 351C and a 460.......and they do NOT house the same bell housing as a 351C.....i know this because i have tried....
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