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8-Cylinder Tech If you are one of the few with a V8 engine in your Ranger, or if you dream of a Ranger with a V8 engine, this is the sub-forum for you.

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Whats my options with this, how much power would i be able to gain & what would be my advantages, more top end torque/accelerate quicker or what?

also how much would the final bill run for something along these lines?
Explorer Express makes a SC kit for the 4.0 Ranger. I believe it's supposed to add about 75rwhp or so. Costs ~$4500. Get a custom tuner from Doug (Bamachips.com) and you'll be puttin out some serious power for a little Ranger. Be much easier than swapping in a V8.
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FL they would never know, nor never cheack for an engine. I know, I live here. no one cares and I love it.

Another thing is, I own a F-250 with the 6.0L Powerstroke and its beyond me how the damn thing could ever fit in a ranger! I would like to see that happen because I dont think its possible. anyway, back on topic.

You could do the 5.0L swap for well under what the Explorer Express kit would cost for the 4.0L. You can easily find 5.0 donors whether it be the HO mustang motor or the Mercury Grand Marquis/Ford Crown Vic. There are so many cars that had those engines that are cheap to buy now.
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Explorer Express makes a SC kit for the 4.0 Ranger. I believe it's supposed to add about 75rwhp or so. Costs ~$4500. Get a custom tuner from Doug (Bamachips.com) and you'll be puttin out some serious power for a little Ranger. Be much easier than swapping in a V8.
I agree 100%! You could even pull the motor and go through it and port the heads if you wanted even more power.Then add a supercharger on top of that and you would have more than enough power.You could still go back to stock if need be very easily.If you were to put a V8 in it there would be no turning back.This is the point I was trying to make.Now it wouldn't be so much of a stretch for someone like me to do a V8 swap because I have a 2000 with over 158,000 miles,not a nearly new 2004 4X4.He would totally ruin the value of the truck whereas my value is already ruined due to miles.I personally would just build up my motor or swap in a 4.0 SOHC and maybe supercharge it if I needed more power.
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yea, its not much point @ all swapping motors i've got around 25k miles on my '04 motor so i'de wouldn't wanna swap an motor with more miles, b/c that would kill my value of my truck for when i go to sell it down the road... also the dependability would be shot, w/an motor w/more miles....

if i would add an super charger & port the heads on my current motor, would it effect my book value of my truck?
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Also, by time you put $4500 into a SC kit you could have a nice nice V8. I'd say since it's too early to do a motor swap to gradually get all the parts for a swap. This will give you time to build up your motor the way you want it and won't drain your wallet like the SC would. You can get a decent 5.0 for a few hundred from a junkyard with all the accessories. Just my $.02
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I didnt really read the whole thread and this might have been said but it is possible to put a 351 in a ranger there is one on ebay for sale right now it also has a 4 inch lift which might be what is helping to fit that monster under there
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you could fit a 347 stroker in easier and only be 4 c.i. off
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You could put a stroked 460 in the neighborhood of a 514 in it if you really wanted. If you don't believe it can be done I'll try and get some pics of the Ranger that runs at the local track with this combo.

However, you are getting out of the realm of daily drivers with something like that. The truck I am speaking of has very little Ranger left in it. Just about everything on it is fabricated.
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i seen a few 460 powered ranger, mostly gen 3 and under.

a healthy 331 stroker (347s are to tempermantal for a DD IMO) will scoot a ranger around with ease and cost as much as an EE huffer kit...plus then u can add a huffer to that and make an easy 500 hp =-o

and a 351 is an inch higher so that isnt much harder to get in, plus u can stoke them to 393 ci rather easily and make monster, big block torque in a small block package...
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stop saying huffer...


althought the price of an EE could equal a swap, youre gonna need to hunt down a LOT of stuff to get a project like this done...
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The "biggest" engine is a stroked 460. Check this 460 based swap in progress out, some good pictures of a complete one:

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=164021

Now, Ford Special Vehicle Engineering has put in a 5.4L supercharged engine from the lightning into a Ranger as well. The 5.4L is as big if not bigger than the 460 in pure physical size. AKA, Lightning Bolt Ranger

The next largest is the 4.6L DOHC engine. It is huge as well. Here is another swap in progress:

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=142933

The 351W and 302 engines are very similar in size. The block base is common, but the decks on the banks are 1.3" higher (farther from crank centerline) on the 351W than the 302.

In late model (98+) Rangers, the Explorer 302 is literally a bolt in operation if you have torsion bars and very close to it if you have coil springs. The 351W will also fit in with very little effort. I am in progress of replacing my Kenne Bell supercharged explorer based 302 with a Kenne Bell supercharged 351W roller engine. Hope to make mad progress next week while I am home.

Now, for the powerstroke, I really cannot see any way for someone to have swapped the 6.0L into a Ranger without extensive modification to the dash panel / cowl areas. Just the routing of the exhaust / turbo is huge issue. Are you sure it wasn't the 3.0L Powerstroke we offer in the South American Rangers?
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Another thing, you will definitely be able to do the explorer V8 swap for less than the EE supercharger for the 4.0L. I have seen many Explorer V8 trucks for $1000 or less after being rolled. These are all you need - aside from custom cat back exhaust!
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Hey tmsoko welcome to Ranger-Forums.com! Thanks for joining us. I'm planning on getting a donor vehicle explorer. Most likyl a 98 5.0 awd. I will be doing the 5.0 AWD into my truck. Will everything bolt up basically and I can use everything for the donor, even the trans? And what trans did 98-01 come with for the 5.0 AWD?

You answered my quesitons in your other post. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Everything will bolt right in place for the engine / trans. I see you have a 4x2 Edge, so you have the right frame for 4x4 if you want to make the conversion. You can use the explorer axles, carrier, and drive shaft. Not sure about the knuckles though. There was a difference in my 1999 year between 4x4 Ranger and 4x4 Explorer knuckles. Not sure if they are common mounting on the 2003. It was a difference of the upper ball joint.

The trans from explorer is a great unit. It is the 4R70W, which is an evolution of the AODE / AOD line. It is now a 4R75W from Ford in the new F150 and ~2004+ crown vic, etc.. With only slight mods, it can handle a ton of power. I will be using mine with a fair amount of upgrades behind the 351W - it will have ~600 flywheel ft-lbs of torque!

If you intend to use AWD case, it is 100% mechanical, so you don;t have to worry about electrical, shifters, etc.. If you plan to run 4x2, you have two options, use the explorer 4404 AWD case and leave no front drive shaft in place ( I have done this for ~45K miles), but you will have a slight amount of trans fluid leak from t-case breather and some power lost. Or you can swap out tail shaft and housing from the explorer 4x4 transmission with 4x2 4R70W parts. These can be found on eBay about once a month or so.
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Hey Todd I have a few questions..

1. Where do I find a turbo? I have a 99 4x4 and I assume a 98-01 5.0 from an Explorer would definately be the best swap.

2. Why in the second set of pics do ya use an Expidition Tcase? Cause it can handle more power?

3. Where did you find the rolled explorer, a junkyard? Or call insurance companies and ask them if they have wrecked vehicles?

4. What about your gas mileage?

5. Should I upgrade from 7.5 axle to 8.8 axle? Seems like easiest thing to do would be to take the 8.8 from the rear of the explorer and remount it on.

Oh one more...more of an opinion question

6. How do you feel about changing a 4x4 ranger to AWD? It's just as good i hope..?

Thanks, Aaron
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Hey Todd I have a few questions..

1. Where do I find a turbo? I have a 99 4x4 and I assume a 98-01 5.0 from an Explorer would definately be the best swap.

2. Why in the second set of pics do ya use an Expidition Tcase? Cause it can handle more power?

3. Where did you find the rolled explorer, a junkyard? Or call insurance companies and ask them if they have wrecked vehicles?

4. What about your gas mileage?

5. Should I upgrade from 7.5 axle to 8.8 axle? Seems like easiest thing to do would be to take the 8.8 from the rear of the explorer and remount it on.

Oh one more...more of an opinion question

6. How do you feel about changing a 4x4 ranger to AWD? It's just as good i hope..?

Thanks, Aaron

Not sure what you mean by turbo in your first question. I run a supercharger, which is a modified Mustang Kit to work with explorer accessory package.

The Expedition t-case project was never finished on my vehicle. I trial fit a few years back, as I was looking to get something with selectable 4x4/4x2/4x4lo. The AWD case is full time AWD with no low range. This swap has been sucessfully done on an explorer from www.explorer4x4.com

Look on eBay for wrecked explorers. They are one there at least 1-2 times a month. Also, there are many salvage yards that sell rebuilders, but usually way more money.

Gas mileage sucks - 14.5MPG of premium. I have a lead foot and cruise to work at 80-85mph daily, so that does not help. The 4.10 gears don't help either.

The axle should be changed to 8.8". I found myself an 8.8" axle from a Ranger FX4 Level II with the torsen diff, 31 spline axles, and larger axle tubes/bearings. Very hard to find, but much stronger than stock Ranger 8.8. Code is V305C

As for 4x4 vs AWD. 4x4 is nice for 4x2 operation (MPG) and low range. If not overly concerned with milage and you don't off road / pull lots of stumps out of ground, AWD will work fine. I will be keeping the AWD case now, since I have plenty of low end torque to eliviate need for lo range and will need it to get traction with my new engine!
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Thanks, that answered some questions. I always confused turbos with superchargers, sorry. I was hopin there would be better gas mileage! Some people reported better, but my truck gets pretty ****ty mileage anyways. Oh and why again won't a ranger T-case work? because they don't connect togethor? I'd hope someone would make an adapter..

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Whats my options with this, how much power would i be able to gain & what would be my advantages, more top end torque/accelerate quicker or what?

also how much would the final bill run for something along these lines?
Do a paper roll-up on it.

For an EE kit, your looking at roughly 4 grand. For a 5.0 swap from an exploder, you need an insurance wreck ( theres 2 sitting in a yard near me for a grand each! engine compartments arent touched ) and some time.

At 8-10psi of boost, that SOHC block is starting to regret being owned by you. A 400hp 302 is NOT umcommon with a good cam and a set of heads.. your barely making the block feel uncomfortable.

All being said, the torque numbers from a N/A v8 will crush those of a well-built SOHC engine.

Its a comparrison of dedication if you ask me.
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I can give you a ball park of over $5000 to even start to think of doing it correctly.Your options are endless and power gain would be as much as you wanted if you have enough money.Do you really want to hack up a nearly new truck.I just don't understand where you are going with this.
I've wasted over 5 grand on all the SOHC 4.0's I've wasted. One right in Rayjays garage ( well.. a head sorta warped really bad till a valve caught a piston. ) .

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I agree 100%! You could even pull the motor and go through it and port the heads if you wanted even more power.Then add a supercharger on top of that and you would have more than enough power.You could still go back to stock if need be very easily.If you were to put a V8 in it there would be no turning back.This is the point I was trying to make.Now it wouldn't be so much of a stretch for someone like me to do a V8 swap because I have a 2000 with over 158,000 miles,not a nearly new 2004 4X4.He would totally ruin the value of the truck whereas my value is already ruined due to miles.I personally would just build up my motor or swap in a 4.0 SOHC and maybe supercharge it if I needed more power.
4500$ for the EE kit. Lets say we Pawn off the present Low-mile SOHC, its management system and tranny. We'll take a CONSERVATIVE return of a grand ( your could EASILY profit 1500-2000$ for both ).

The problem he will have will be a tranny or a bellhousing setup. Bob Wenzing was looking at such a thing in reguards to his truck, just to see if he could do it on paper ( put in a 302v8 ) and he had everything he needed on paper to do a swap ( I believe he might have even used a better/stronger transfer case ).

With a rebuild kit from summit ( 600$, flat tops, 8.7:1 compression ), obtaining a mill-able block and crank, a set of AFR heads ( 1500$ ), economically, the v8 is a LOT better on paper.

Not having to run 93/premium fuel is also a long term cost saving measure. A torquier v8 requiring lesser fuel, at a cheaper price, due to a lower compression.

Again, it comes down to the individual, their talents and their resourcefullness.

For all anyone knows, someone could have the body off their frame right now and have a process of a tube frame/mod-motor in the works.

If its just raw power and reliability, you can't beat a Detroit v8.
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I didnt really read the whole thread and this might have been said but it is possible to put a 351 in a ranger
Been there, done that with 408cid. The frame on my 84 Ranger broke/twisted right above the axle.
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I got a northstar V-8, with a supercharger in my other ranger, **** is fast
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No accually not. It is illegal to put a motor in other than it come factory. In regards to clys.
correction it is illegal to put in any motor that is older then that of the vehicle. so if you have a 95 it has to be a 95 or newer motor. but crate engines by pass this cause they are not orginal equipment.
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Just mount the engine in the bed!
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