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The 69 heads are non emissions, have larger runners and flow better. The heads on the econoline are not good heads at all. It will be torquey, but dont expect a ton of power in stock trim. If you change the heads, cam, intake, and add some headers it could be a mean sumbich!
The 69-70 heads really aren't a whole lot better. The GT40 and GT40P heads (which are on the explorer motors) flow a lot better than even the windsor heads. Here a little flow chart.
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For reference some of the better small block Chevy heads flow 200ish on intake and 150 exhaust at .500".
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Oh boy...

Guys I never stated what my intentions for the 351w are. I plan on getting this motor and rebuilding it from the ground up. I also never stated who is building the engine either. I plan on getting the other motor too. The 5.0 that you saw has already been modified by the previous owner. I already know where and what clearances is going to be an issue. lets start with the headers. The stock headers won't fit. But the shorty headers or block hugger headers will clear the steering shaft. The oil pan will have to be either a rear sump oil pan, or dry sump which means external oil lines. If you go dry sump you'll gain at least 3 to 4 inches clearances. And who said anything about keeping the speed density? That **** sucks. Going to convert to MAF and fuel injection. here's a link: Powerjection Vs. Mass Flo EFI . It installs like a carb and has the looks of a carb but is fuel injection. plus who said I was keeping the stock hood and latch? I'm pretty sure I can get a hood that will give me extra clearance. The heads I'm looking at either Brodix or having the stock ones rebuilt. Edlebrock RPM airgap intake manifold is what I also plan on using. The camshaft I have chosen is the Z303 Ford Racing Camshaft. The transmission will be a C4 automatic with a 3,800 stall converter. And to help with the brakes a Vacum reserve canister from either comp or crane cams. Plus I get a few extra inches in clearance because mine is 2WD.

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Agreed why not go with a 5.0 out of a explorer? you can find um wrecked cheap i got mine for $500 then took it to the scrap yard after i took the rear axle/motor/trans/t-case out and still got $200 for it then you also have everything you need for the swap to.
And i also agree that the 351 is about as good for nothing as a boat ancor in stock trim at least better off going 5.0 imho.
What is your goal for the truck? drag/street/DD?
The intent is going for a little bit of street/strip and yet being able to still drive it daily. I have a 3.0 V6 in there now and all it's good for is either my mom's 2002 Dodge neon which will take alot of work or a 1923 T-bucket that has no weight basicly. That motor I posted earlier along with the 351 was already modified and turned into a cobra motor. The intake manifold on it was not stock and the MSD ignition coil on it tells me the guy was a street racer. Not to mention the cold air intake system which is an open airfilter. I don't like those types of intake systems with the open air filter. The only difference between the explorer and ranger is one had a V8 and the other didn't (depending on the year of course). He had an explorer but it was a V6. Why replace a V6 for another V6? plus I already dealt with this issue 4 times last year with geico whom doesn't know the difference between a piston head and their sister's titty. The last motor they sent from their supplier was indeed a highly polished terd. You can move the crankshaft BARE HANDED over a 1/4 of an inch, and they tried to tell me that the only thing wrong with it was the oil pan was leaking. Yeah and I'm the incredible hulk. These are the same guys that also tried to tell me that a 5.0 won't fit too and a reman was a reman. I laughed at them then hung the phone up on them after those statements. Geico's mechanical breakdown dept. are indeed full blown idiots.

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The 69-70 heads really aren't a whole lot better. The GT40 and GT40P heads (which are on the explorer motors) flow a lot better than even the windsor heads. Here a little flow chart.
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For reference some of the better small block Chevy heads flow 200ish on intake and 150 exhaust at .500".
Brodix cylinder heads is what I'm looking at. They flow up to if not more than 420 CFMs.

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I can't speak for late model Rangers but if I was to do it again on my '86 I would just build a stroker 302 (331 or 347) as the 302 I had was much better fit & less weight than the 351W I have in it now. I'm a diesel mechanic/fabricator by trade and originally I thought "no problem, same bellhousing & motor mounts, how hard can it be?" Ha, the joke was on me. If just to mention 1 thing, I had to cut up & modify the 302 "engine swap headers" to make work. If I had to pay someone else to do all the work I did to properly make the jump from 302 to 351W it would have cost me more than the truck is worth. Now that it's done . . . it's cool but if I had to do it again, no way unless I was making it worth the hassel like a stroker 393W or 408W.
That also is a consideration too. The motor will have to be rebuilt no question about that. The headers I can get right now will indeed fit the 351 and clear the steering shaft but they aint exactly legal (neither is this swap but who cares). As long as I can get an inspection sticker and it runs like a bat out of hell with it's *** on fire I'm happy as a clam. The guy that does my inspection checks the lights, horn, exhaust, turn signals, wipers and he'll pass it if all of those devices work. He doesn't have the equipment to check for emissions and I live in a small town with alot of state police officers who are encouraging me to do this swap because some of them are Ranger owners too and are also looking at doing the same thing. There's one of them getting ready to put the current interceptor package in his right now as we speak. Him and 2 others refused to go with the new chargers.
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If your going for a Street/Strip vehicle and DD I would go for the 5.0L because it is a very common engine, It will fit in easy with little to no clearance issues from intake or exhaust, A massive aftermarket market of parts, Not to mention the parts are fairly cheap because they are common, and better gas mileage then the 5.8L.

The 5.8L is a great motor too, and I would reccomend it for an off road application because it is a powerful motor in the fact that it has lots of torque and makes it at conciderably lower rpm's, which is great for turning large tires at slow speeds. It also gets decent mileage in small trucks but a 5.0L will give you better mileage for round town driving in a street only application.
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If you know of a set of off the shelf header that fit, please post them. There are MANY of us who have looked high and low since we started moding the '98+ trucks 10 years ago. NOTHING fits, aside from the old FRPP explorer headers that are no longer produced and the Torque Monster headers. No long tube, no shorty's, not block huggers, no tri-y's, nothing. And these were confirmed with trial fits for those that looked close. I would love to know if there is something available now...
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If you know of a set of off the shelf header that fit, please post them. There are MANY of us who have looked high and low since we started moding the '98+ trucks 10 years ago. NOTHING fits, aside from the old FRPP explorer headers that are no longer produced and the Torque Monster headers. No long tube, no shorty's, not block huggers, no tri-y's, nothing. And these were confirmed with trial fits for those that looked close. I would love to know if there is something available now...
If im not mistaken theres still nothing but i know on the older rangers you can get 5.0-5.8 swap headers for a stang and they will fit the older stuff but not the newer
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Correct, but I though from earlier in this thread, it was going into a 2000 truck.
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Correct, but I though from earlier in this thread, it was going into a 2000 truck.
Nope a 2004 Edge Model.

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If im not mistaken theres still nothing but i know on the older rangers you can get 5.0-5.8 swap headers for a stang and they will fit the older stuff but not the newer
Correct. I have looked into it and found nothing so far. But the guys at summit racing said something about having to cut the shorty/block hugger headers to help with the frame clearance issues.

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If you know of a set of off the shelf header that fit, please post them. There are MANY of us who have looked high and low since we started moding the '98+ trucks 10 years ago. NOTHING fits, aside from the old FRPP explorer headers that are no longer produced and the Torque Monster headers. No long tube, no shorty's, not block huggers, no tri-y's, nothing. And these were confirmed with trial fits for those that looked close. I would love to know if there is something available now...
Once the swap begins, I'll make a detailed section specificly for you guys on here because not too many post the exhaust headers and details that are specificly for that one issue.

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If your going for a Street/Strip vehicle and DD I would go for the 5.0L because it is a very common engine, It will fit in easy with little to no clearance issues from intake or exhaust, A massive aftermarket market of parts, Not to mention the parts are fairly cheap because they are common, and better gas mileage then the 5.8L.

Well the 5.0 has alot more detailed info to consider too. I haven't ruled the 5.0 yet.

The 5.8L is a great motor too, and I would reccomend it for an off road application because it is a powerful motor in the fact that it has lots of torque and makes it at conciderably lower rpm's, which is great for turning large tires at slow speeds. It also gets decent mileage in small trucks but a 5.0L will give you better mileage for round town driving in a street only application.
That's also being considered. I plan way ahead before doing anything.

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CLearance issues......BAAAHHHHHH! LOL
yeah we know diesel man. It can be made to fit for the right amount of money which is a little short right now.
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Looks like the 5.0...

gentlemen, it looks like the 5.0 might be winning because they have yet to give me a quote on the 351 Windsor because they don't want to fool with that friggin van. I can't really blame them though because they are a pill to work on. It's a shame though because that would be really kool to see that motor on the street though. They did give me a quote on the 5.0.

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$650.00 bucks for both the engine and trans and the motor still runs! All it needs is gas and a battery according to them that is. I say it will need a little bit more than that considering it's been setting for a good bit. Anytime a motor sets for a good while without all of the fluids drained and what have you, they lose their integrity and go bad. The radiator fluid, the engine oil, the fuel and not to mention no protection from the elements. Plus from the looks of it the previous owner, drove the immortal hell out of it. Just to be safe that engine will be rebuilt balanced and blueprinted to the extreme.
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gentlemen, it looks like the 5.0 might be winning because they have yet to give me a quote on the 351 Windsor because they don't want to fool with that friggin van. I can't really blame them though because they are a pill to work on. It's a shame though because that would be really kool to see that motor on the street though. They did give me a quote on the 5.0.

$650.00 bucks for both the engine and trans and the motor still runs! All it needs is gas and a battery according to them that is. I say it will need a little bit more than that considering it's been setting for a good bit. Anytime a motor sets for a good while without all of the fluids drained and what have you, they lose their integrity and go bad. The radiator fluid, the engine oil, the fuel and not to mention no protection from the elements. Plus from the looks of it the previous owner, drove the immortal hell out of it. Just to be safe that engine will be rebuilt balanced and blueprinted to the extreme.
$650 for the whole car? You know if all you plan to use is the block/heads/intake you can probably get a used good condition long block for like $400 . . .
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$650 for the whole car? You know if all you plan to use is the block/heads/intake you can probably get a used good condition long block for like $400 . . .
I know that. That's the price they want for both the engine and transmission which is a T5 manual tranny.
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I know that. That's the price they want for both the engine and transmission which is a T5 manual tranny.
Pre-90' T-5's are rated 15lb.ft less torque handling than 90'+, just FYI.
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Pre-90' T-5's are rated 15lb.ft less torque handling than 90'+, just FYI.
I know that. The car the 5.0 is in, is a 1995 mustang FYI. Besides who said the tranny aint going to be rebuilt?
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I know that. The car the 5.0 is in, is a 1995 mustang FYI. Besides who said the tranny aint going to be rebuilt?
Well you didn't say it was. 94/95' T-5's are 5/8" longer input shaft/bellhousing . . .

So the 5.0 you're talking about isn't the one in the 1st pic on 1st page?
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Hey yo, I finally got to visit a local salvage yard today and here's what I found: 5.0 H.O. Cobra Motor out of a Fox Mustang.

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well first of all this is not a "cobra motor" Its a 5.0 h.o. motor out a mustang. The reason you can tell its not a "cobra" motor is very simple. The intakes are way off. Cobras have diffrent intakes. The biggest smoking gun is the lack of a maf...which means it was a speed density car...which makes it an 1987 motor, cobras were in 1993. Ill bet also if you get to looking it has E7te heads. If it was a cobra it would have iorn gt40's


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well first of all this is not a "cobra motor" Its a 5.0 h.o. motor out a mustang. The reason you can tell its not a "cobra" motor is very simple. The intakes are way off. Cobras have diffrent intakes. The biggest smoking gun is the lack of a maf...which means it was a speed density car...which makes it an 1987 motor, cobras were in 1993. Ill bet also if you get to looking it has E7te heads. If it was a cobra it would have iorn gt40's


go with the 351
I will if they would give me a quote. The H.O. pic I posted is what my intentions are if I can't get the 351w. Plus I was thinking of another mustang he has sitting up there too. Oops wrong car. Either of them you can convert to MAF. That's only if I can't get the 351W. I want it very badly because the 5.0 has indeed been done to death. That's why there's so much info about it. Either motor I get will be converted to MAF cause that speed density crap sucks.

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Well you didn't say it was. 94/95' T-5's are 5/8" longer input shaft/bellhousing . . .

So the 5.0 you're talking about isn't the one in the 1st pic on 1st page?
No. I was thinking about another stang he has sitting up there which was my fault. he has a couple of cobras sitting up there as well, but both are pretty much stripped down. Only one has part of a motor and that's about it.
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Just got through checking the msgs on my answering machine and apparently the guys just don't want to pull out the 351 period. They keep trying to steer me towards the 5.0 H.O. which I don't want. So apparently I may have to go with my old plan and get a brand new long block assembly and go from there. I'm tired of these guys giving me every excuse in the book as to why they won't pull that old 351 Windsor out of that van. At first they were giving me legitimate reasons as to why they can't just yet. Now all they're giving me is excuses which I don't tolerate at all. Either they want to sell it or they don't. The least they can do is told me up front instead of jerking me around.
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