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The newer Cummins are a lot quieter than the older models, but that has only been in the last few years so if you have an older one IT WILL BE LOUD !
7.3s are loud as **** too.
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Yes you are correct in the noise of a Powerstroke but IMHO it goes Chebby low noise, Ford in the middle and Cummins in the Dodge LOUD !
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no way. my dad has a new 6.7 and its damn quiet! even ripping on it its not loud. the dmax is quite but its quite but not as. i know a quiter diesel tho.... the CRD deisel in the libertys and grand cherokees... those are damn quiet!
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I have done a good amount of research on swapping the 4BT cummins in a Ranger. It WILL be a lot more expensive than the V8 just because of the cost of the motor. You will also need a different transmission, but you could find an engine/ trans combo that came out of a frito lay vans. You really do not have that much wiring like the EFI v8 would.

Also, no diesels spin high RPMs in stock form. There is no need to; they make all their torque down low. Granted, an Ford OEM trans will not hold up to the diesel, but neither will the V8 after it gets a few miles on it. I know I would not trust a 4R55E or 5R55E behind either of the power plants. I think the same goes for the rear end. It can hold up to both for a little while, but it will eventually break with either option. The diesel, I also believe will get better fuel economy than the V8. Diesels have always gotten better economy than an equivalent gasser. Check this link out with a 3.3 Cummins where the owner got over 30 MPGs: Mooktank's 4BT Ford Ranger...... Also, the diesel engine opens a ton of doors for alternative cheap fueling such as biodeiesel, vegetable oil, propane, CNG, and others. As for the Cummins being slow: 1998 Ford Ranger - Cummins Diesel Engine - Diesel Power Magazine YouTube - dodge cummins drag race
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the 4BT (which is the only Cummins going to fit a Ranger)
Hold on there jonny rocket. You should check out things before you jump to a conclusion now. Check this truck out with NO FIREWALL modification.

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Cummins is a good engine, powerful but not fast.
Cummins are in the larger truck for one reason they are powerful but not fast,
Ummmmm, sorry, but your dead wrong on not being fast. Cummins is a bad *** motor, and I am a Powerstroke guy.

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i think im gonna go ahead and do the 302... itll be easier on my wallet and ill be one of the lucky ones with a v8 ... i just hope i can save enough up real soon
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get a new 6.7 powerstroke.. drove one at work the other day.. it was sick!!!! didnt even feel like i was drivin a huge *** truck
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give me $50-60 grand and I'll get right on buying a new SD.
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just rip out a v-12 from one of those vw touaregs. That should give you plenty of power.
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302 swap
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Cummins is a good engine, powerful but not fast.
Cummins are in the larger truck for one reason they are powerful but not fast, powerstrokes are faster than some think and have decent power.
The newer Cummins are a lot quieter than the older models, but that has only been in the last few years so if you have an older one IT WILL BE LOUD !

Oh ya, the 302/5.0L is a fun engine in the Ranger, plenty of power to get the little truck moving and plenty of options.
For the Ranger the Cummins is not a good choice unless you just love Diesels.
Again my biggest problem with the 4BT (which is the only Cummins going to fit a Ranger) is it is slow on the uptake., has a low limit on rpms and although you can re-gear and re-tire the truck what you gain is not what you will reap wit the 5.0L.
One more thing, although the 302 version is nice and the carb a little easier to work, depending on the year of the Ranger, stick with a 5.0L. If earlier Ranger, gen 1, 2 or 3, stick to an engine from a 91 to 93 Stang and get the engine harness and computer, which is a separate harness form the vehicle harness. If later version of the Ranger tick to the Explorer 5.0L but what year I am not too sure YET.
Have you done any research before you posted this?
Yes the 5.0 is fun but you could put a 4 bt in it and do quite a few free mods to it and make some decent power. Im not saying its gonna be cheaper to do the swap cuz it wont be im sure just cheaper to make some more power.
My bro has a 12valve (same as the 4bt just 2 less cylinders) and has maybe $400 bucks in performance parts(turbo) and made 300 horse at the wheels. Its not the fastest thing ever but it will beat both our powerstrokes(chipp/intake/exhaust) everytime.You can get a lot of power out of those little 4bts there was one in the diesel power mag that made 800 horse.
And if hes thinking about swapping motors i really dont think he will care how loud it is. And once you put an exhaust on any diesel there all gonna be loud be it a chevy ford or dodge.
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Seeing that you covered all of the topics I mentioned I guess I did a little research.
I started to use a 4-bt about 5 or 6 years back on a Jeep project but decided against it based on what I said in my post.
I still stand with my posting, the 5.0 Powered Ranger will be a better all around vehicle, more fun, easier to mod and IMHO a better DD.

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man there are a **** ton of parts for the 4bt. theres a guy in canada that build the crap out of em. hes got 1 turnin 5kRPM. im a diesel mechanic so of course ima say go diesel.
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if you get a 4bt make sure you get 1 with a P pump(injector pump)
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Cummins is a good engine, powerful but not fast.
Cummins are in the larger truck for one reason they are powerful but not fast, powerstrokes are faster than some think and have decent power.
The newer Cummins are a lot quieter than the older models, but that has only been in the last few years so if you have an older one IT WILL BE LOUD !

Oh ya, the 302/5.0L is a fun engine in the Ranger, plenty of power to get the little truck moving and plenty of options.
For the Ranger the Cummins is not a good choice unless you just love Diesels.
Again my biggest problem with the 4BT (which is the only Cummins going to fit a Ranger) is it is slow on the uptake., has a low limit on rpms and although you can re-gear and re-tire the truck what you gain is not what you will reap wit the 5.0L.
One more thing, although the 302 version is nice and the carb a little easier to work, depending on the year of the Ranger, stick with a 5.0L. If earlier Ranger, gen 1, 2 or 3, stick to an engine from a 91 to 93 Stang and get the engine harness and computer, which is a separate harness form the vehicle harness. If later version of the Ranger tick to the Explorer 5.0L but what year I am not too sure YET.
You obviously don't know a damn thing about diesel's or Cummins diesel for that fact.
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if you get a 4bt make sure you get 1 with a P pump(injector pump)

X2, Matt Conrad (Cummins Terror) only lives about hour 1/2 from me, Runs VP electronic pump, has all kinds of problems even with the new govenor. that's why it smokes at a pace.
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4bt - screw that.....SO SLOW unless you build it.

Go with a 24valve or a V-8.
I know a guy that lives near me with a 4bt in a suburban, Twin turbo pushing 500 hp
(it's p-pumped of course)- Marcus Pelts
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I say 4bt or a 331. 5.0 is a car motor more than a truck one, and they aren't the best for high rpm. Try to make alot of power with a 302 and high rpm, and blocks gonna crack and its gonna be messy. I like the 351w myself or a 351c. Both are better blocks. A 4bt also comes with one of the best trannys out there. Even though its a chevy tranny a TH400 is heavy duty. Thats what your gonna want to use if you did a 4bt swap. Cheap and strong tranny and no other route would be worth the cost. there is a 4bt out there in a ranger with 800 hp so saying its slow is not really true. I like my fords, but a 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 are international motors not ford. I don't have anything against any of them either, as I know guys that have had great luck with all three. The 6.7 is fords first powerstroke. I think it needs time to see if any bugs need worked out though. A powerstroke won't fit easy at all. They hardly fit in the big trucks. A 6bt can be done, and has but its long but has room on the sides. 12v or 24v both can make power. A duramax is a good motor too, and really is a fast motor. Watch Pimp my Ride earth day speacial about the 67 impala thats faster than a lambo, and gets 27 mpg on biodiesel. Figure out how much money you have and then that should make your decision. Not much for performance on the 4bt really, not that they can't be done, but they are mainly generator motors, and only used in delivery vans. I'd try to steal the 4.4 ford diesel If you could. 330hp500+tq. Go to europe and find a wrecked land rover, or go to mexico and steal one from the plant.
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I know a guy that lives near me with a 4bt in a suburban, Twin turbo pushing 500 hp
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After some research you can run 500hp on a 12 valve for next to nothing in money
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hey to who ever responds to this but i saw in a diesel truck mag. a ranger with a cummins engine in it and really thought that was awesome ....

now heres the question what would be cheaper? what would be sweeter? what would YOU do? and do you think a cummins would be back stabbing ford just for the fact that its a dodge engine?
Man, where did you go with this… ?
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Ford owned cummins, so the fact that people think its a dodge engine is so false. It was more ford than dodge. Dodge just has a contract for the engine. Ford should have been smart and had CAT build them a motor. In the truck world cat had the best engine always. Cummins blow. I would even have like it if Volvo made a diesel for the ford trucks. They make the most powerful over the road engine. Not to mention that ford owns volvo.
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Ford owned cummins, so the fact that people think its a dodge engine is so false. It was more ford than dodge. Dodge just has a contract for the engine. Ford should have been smart and had CAT build them a motor. In the truck world cat had the best engine always. Cummins blow. I would even have like it if Volvo made a diesel for the ford trucks. They make the most powerful over the road engine. Not to mention that ford owns volvo.
Sorry your wrong.

Ford and Chrysler bought 10% of the shares from cummins. Later sold them for a profit. Ford has nothing to do with cummins except buying shares.


Cummins is a good engine, not sure why it "blows" Maybe smoke

7.3 is one of the best engines ever built. Why do with CAT?

What is wrong with Ford making its own engines? Far as I have seen they are kicking butt.
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You obviously don't know a damn thing about diesel's or Cummins diesel for that fact.
ROFL, from the same guy who did not know the difference between rated HP and wheel delivered HP ....seriously i looked in a lot of your comment, you obviously dont know what your talking about, about everything that guy said is a fact....so stop making your smart ***...it is boring
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Sorry your wrong.

Ford and Chrysler bought 10% of the shares from cummins. Later sold them for a profit. Ford has nothing to do with cummins except buying shares.


Cummins is a good engine, not sure why it "blows" Maybe smoke

7.3 is one of the best engines ever built. Why do with CAT?

What is wrong with Ford making its own engines? Far as I have seen they are kicking butt.
True 7.3 is a good motor, as is a 6.0 and 6.4 for some. I know guys with all three that have built them up and had no issues. Cat made a motor for ford in the past, and they make some of the best diesels out there, so why not? My point is a cummins is no more a crystler motor than it is a ford. Boy your bright. And talk to most truckers and you'll find that a cummins is not a choice engine for over the road diesels. I drive trucks and the cummins ones have the most problems, and the least amount of power and the worst fuel economy. Can't argue with facts.
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PSD or Cummins either way is going to be a lot of work as it has been said before. Also the up keep of any diesel is ridiculous. The fuel filter and oil filter for my granddad's PSD was just at $150, not counting the oil....I can change the oil (and filter) and fuel filter in my 4.0 for less than half of that lol. Just something to think about.
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