2003 Reg Cab Full System Install
#26
Yes, I decided on what I would like to use. I was trying to keep this as a somewhat budget build but somethings you have to do or are just better. Just like building a house you want to make sure your foundation is strong, in this case your power and source, so I spend a little more on my power wires and signal wires and eventually my h/u, but I look for quality used a lot of times. Just about everything in this install was left overs from other installs or second hand equipment. Also, make sure to try and route signals away from power wires. Some times it can't be avoided but generally solid grounds help eliminate issues.
A lot of what you are going to choose depends on what your goals are, in this build I was leaning a little more toward SQ than SPL. All speakers will get loud, question is how much distortion is present. An easy way to tell if something is playing clean is if you think you can speak to someone in a normal speaking voice and realize they can't hear you. Distortion is what causes us to perceive things as loud.
This system should still get to high 130's in that little truck easy. My buddy's quad cab ram with the same sub stage did around a 138 if I remember correctly on a bit more power than I will be running. So it will be loud, but the difference is that the 138 will be at 30-40hz, not 45-60. Though it seems like a small difference, the feeling is unreal. I'm ecstatic for it.
If you need help choosing equipment, I'd be glad to help, but I stay away from many mainstream companies with the exception of a few products from each. Just depends on what you are looking to achieve from your system. Choosing product comes down to understanding what each thing is capable of and comes back to the building a house analogy every time. A lot of power isn't necessary to get loud if you know how to design it.
I honestly would tell you to never converse with sales people on audio. Those people generally don't have half the knowledge people on forums do. Some of the fellas here on this board seem to know their stuff.
I love build logs so no worries on the pics and info. Just ask!
A lot of what you are going to choose depends on what your goals are, in this build I was leaning a little more toward SQ than SPL. All speakers will get loud, question is how much distortion is present. An easy way to tell if something is playing clean is if you think you can speak to someone in a normal speaking voice and realize they can't hear you. Distortion is what causes us to perceive things as loud.
This system should still get to high 130's in that little truck easy. My buddy's quad cab ram with the same sub stage did around a 138 if I remember correctly on a bit more power than I will be running. So it will be loud, but the difference is that the 138 will be at 30-40hz, not 45-60. Though it seems like a small difference, the feeling is unreal. I'm ecstatic for it.
If you need help choosing equipment, I'd be glad to help, but I stay away from many mainstream companies with the exception of a few products from each. Just depends on what you are looking to achieve from your system. Choosing product comes down to understanding what each thing is capable of and comes back to the building a house analogy every time. A lot of power isn't necessary to get loud if you know how to design it.
I honestly would tell you to never converse with sales people on audio. Those people generally don't have half the knowledge people on forums do. Some of the fellas here on this board seem to know their stuff.
I love build logs so no worries on the pics and info. Just ask!
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#33
Both doors are now sealed, passenger is completely deadened and done. I hate that Ford does the little hanger clips so you have to either deal with the hanger holes being left open or doing way too much work for the benefit. Only two noises come from the doors when the stereo is playing/closing the door; the grill in front of the speaker buzzes because i cut out the grooves, and closing the door the lock pin rattles eveeeeeer so slightly. Otherwise, not a peep from the doors.
16O enclosure done! I made the mistake of thinking it would be ok to add some height to the front, which totally screwed up how far back I can put the seat. Thankfully this is a temporary enclosure, I can't be riding like a grandma on top of the steering wheel. So I need to rebuild the enclosure at the end of this month maybe.
The 16O is RIDICULOUS. I can't say it enough. Unreal. If I had a D2 16O instead of a D4, I can't imagine. The only noise I really get when wanging on it is the sliding window buzzing. If I open it there is no noise and I don't lose much in terms of perceived SPL. Low end kills. Can't believe it. Can't believe how it destroys down low. Knights of Cydonia Dubstep is UNREAL.
Decisions, decisions.
16O enclosure done! I made the mistake of thinking it would be ok to add some height to the front, which totally screwed up how far back I can put the seat. Thankfully this is a temporary enclosure, I can't be riding like a grandma on top of the steering wheel. So I need to rebuild the enclosure at the end of this month maybe.
The 16O is RIDICULOUS. I can't say it enough. Unreal. If I had a D2 16O instead of a D4, I can't imagine. The only noise I really get when wanging on it is the sliding window buzzing. If I open it there is no noise and I don't lose much in terms of perceived SPL. Low end kills. Can't believe it. Can't believe how it destroys down low. Knights of Cydonia Dubstep is UNREAL.
Decisions, decisions.
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Thanks fellas. Both doors are now completely sealed and deadened. I didn't take pics as it was the same thing as the passenger side.
Alex, thanks for the tip. I think I am going to use some foam gasket tape and make rings around the hangers to see if that helps, but that will be when I have nothing else to do. :p
I'll take some pics of the temporary enclosure and the disaster of wiring and amps right now as it sits. Hopefully I can do the amp rack this weekend. I've had a horrible set back as far as woodworking goes so things might take some time to get completed.
Alex, thanks for the tip. I think I am going to use some foam gasket tape and make rings around the hangers to see if that helps, but that will be when I have nothing else to do. :p
I'll take some pics of the temporary enclosure and the disaster of wiring and amps right now as it sits. Hopefully I can do the amp rack this weekend. I've had a horrible set back as far as woodworking goes so things might take some time to get completed.
#37
I was hoping to have the final enclosure done tonight but got a CRAZY late start; had to stay late at work. So port is done and in and the baffle is almost done. Definitely done on Saturday.
Here are some pics of current state! Port is attached at both the back wall and also the exterior side wall. I also flanged in the port to insure no leakage.
:)
Here are some pics of current state! Port is attached at both the back wall and also the exterior side wall. I also flanged in the port to insure no leakage.
:)
#39
Nope! It fit perfect in that spot. I'd say it is...4x6? Also, I bought the component set used from a buddy and he had lost the covers, but I did not cover them with anything. I contemplated covering them. They are in a location that seems will never see moisture unless something epic happens. and if they do go I paid next to nothing for them.
#40
New box is done and now that it is done, think I want to revise it one more time just for fitment reasons, not for auditory reasons. As far as output goes, OMG. between the front stage and the substage it is David and Goliath and Goliath slaughtered David. Also, I need a D2 16O to get more power out of the M.80. There is still more left in the tank for the 16O which is a real scary thought.
It also sounds very nice when it isn't slapping against the back of the cabinet. I'm going to eventually L-bracket the enclosure to the back wall and hopefully that takes care of it. It's nice to have low end even when the volume is extremely low.
Old box in the truck.
Amp/wiring disaster
New box in the truck.
Amps cleaned up too.
Thought a piece of V4 would help calm the box/back of cab rattling. Wrong. WRONG.
Box done.
Foamed the 8 gauge power wires so no rattling.
Batting in, but thinking I may add some moooooooooorrrrrrre.
Loaded.
It also sounds very nice when it isn't slapping against the back of the cabinet. I'm going to eventually L-bracket the enclosure to the back wall and hopefully that takes care of it. It's nice to have low end even when the volume is extremely low.
Old box in the truck.
Amp/wiring disaster
New box in the truck.
Amps cleaned up too.
Thought a piece of V4 would help calm the box/back of cab rattling. Wrong. WRONG.
Box done.
Foamed the 8 gauge power wires so no rattling.
Batting in, but thinking I may add some moooooooooorrrrrrre.
Loaded.
Last edited by Joeybutts; 05-15-2011 at 06:21 AM.
#42
Pretty far. if you are 5'10', you're cramped, if you are 6', you have to of been in the circus to drive my truck. :p I'm 5'8', comfortable, but could use an extra inch or two.
I do plan on doing one more rendition later this year. I've rushed these two and made some small mistakes that have compromised space. The next one will give full use of the passenger seat and the driver seat will fit the farthest away position for me to drive comfortably.
I do plan on doing one more rendition later this year. I've rushed these two and made some small mistakes that have compromised space. The next one will give full use of the passenger seat and the driver seat will fit the farthest away position for me to drive comfortably.
#45
It isn't too bad. I'm finding the only bad part is comfortably turning the wheel. One more redesign though and I should be back to normal.
#48
Being a non-audiophile, home hacker type… why so big on the box ?
Just me but I would think a little smaller wouldn’t hurt so where does the size vs space come in, again novice here !
I take it every speaker has a certain enclosure size that makes it work correctly ?
thks
Just me but I would think a little smaller wouldn’t hurt so where does the size vs space come in, again novice here !
I take it every speaker has a certain enclosure size that makes it work correctly ?
thks
#49
Being a non-audiophile, home hacker type… why so big on the box ?
Just me but I would think a little smaller wouldn’t hurt so where does the size vs space come in, again novice here !
I take it every speaker has a certain enclosure size that makes it work correctly ?
thks
Just me but I would think a little smaller wouldn’t hurt so where does the size vs space come in, again novice here !
I take it every speaker has a certain enclosure size that makes it work correctly ?
thks
I went with 2.5 cubes as it is the largest recommended space and will allow for a bit more efficiency while keeping the response flat, and tuned it a bit lower to protect the driver and because I listen to a lot of dubstep/electronic/chopped and screwed and hip/hop.
The only upside to being 5'7"! (5'8" on a good day )