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Old 12-14-2006
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mid's in doors?? anyone ever attempted??

it's kind of a shot in the dark on this site, but i figure i'd ask anyways...

i've got my set of components, and will be adding my mid's soon. initially i was going to take my current door panels and mold them to hold the mid and woofer in seperate, sealed compartments, then leave my tweeters up on the dash, where they are now.

i wasn't afraid to cut the door panels apart, or the door itself, to build the proper setup needed... but now im having second thoughts... if i were to sell the truck... i'd need to fix it, plus get new door panels... and i dunno if i wanna bother with all of that, when the day comes to get rid of the truck.

so... has anyone put a 3 way set up in their truck... if so... what did you do? i dont like kick panels, so that's not an option.

Fernando... i'm assumming you'd be the best here with any input on what works and doesn't work well, etc... just not sure about our trucks.

thanks for any suggestions guys.
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I'd say maybe some kick panels and some 6x8s in the doors for mids or lows??
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i have 6.5s in my doors.. dont know if thats what you are wanting..
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I was thinking about putting some little 4inch ones in the door behinf those little vents on the bottom.........
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just mold em into the doors... unless your going to sell your truck any time soon, they will be out dated, sure they may still sound good, but there will be better speakers out there in the future..
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I'd say maybe some kick panels and some 6x8s in the doors for mids or lows??
nah, i mentioned above that i don't want kick panels..

and i've already got my set of components.. much better than any set of 6xanything's that you'd ever be able to find . im adding a mid (already got them picked out) to the set, to complete my sound staging...
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I was thinking about putting some little 4inch ones in the door behinf those little vents on the bottom.........
nah i'd stay away from those vents... they're there for cabin pressure, and shouldn't be tampered with.

my component set right now is 6.5" with the tweeter.. once i get my mid's, i'll be taking it down to the same set, but in a 5.25". the mid's i'm going with are 7" midbass drivers. retail are about $200 each.. but i'm still looking for cheaper (eBay, internet, etc.).

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just mold em into the doors... unless your going to sell your truck any time soon, they will be out dated, sure they may still sound good, but there will be better speakers out there in the future..
that's the thing though... taking the speakers out would be no problem... it would be leaving the door all modified to fit everything is what would be the problem.

the speakers were $800 and the mid's look like they are going to run me about $400, no way would i leave them in there and sell the truck with them included.. i wouldn't get a cent for them at trade in or whatever, lol.. plus then that mean's i'd have to leave my amps.. another thing i won't be doing if i ever get rid of the truck.
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IF you're looking for some Morels, check out MAdisound.com and PArtsExpress.com, i'm sure you can find better prices but that's a start....
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IF you're looking for some Morels, check out MAdisound.com and PArtsExpress.com, i'm sure you can find better prices but that's a start....
EDITED: i've already got my Morels. I'm searching for a set of Dynaudio MW170's. cheapest online i've found so far was $169 each.
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3-ways sound best when 6.5's and tweet are in the kick and mids in the doors. otherwise the imaging/tuning would be a total nightmare. thats the only thing keepin me from doin my truck. its a ranger so space is limited and kicking the cone of a $600 set of speakers bothers me. not so much me doing it, but a passenger.
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3-ways sound best when 6.5's and tweet are in the kick and mids in the doors.
maybe i'll keep my 6.5's and not trade them in for the 5.25's then... i just don't like kick panels at all

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thats the only thing keepin me from doin my truck. its a ranger so space is limited and kicking the cone of a $600 set of speakers bothers me. not so much me doing it, but a passenger.
EXACTLY!!!!!!! i know i'd be able to stay away from mine on my side... but i have a lot of different people ride in my truck... and it would be a matter of day's before someone's heel or toes goes right through it . becuase of that strong possibility, and because our trucks are cramped enough without taking away more foot room, i'm staying away from kick panels.


this brings me to my next idea. if i were to do everything in the doors, as mentioned earlier..... what if i were to mold my map pocket things on the lower part of the doors and put the set down there... then the mid up in the stock speaker location.

i'm not sure what would sound best... should i leave the components down below, with the mid in the stock location...

or do i put the mid down below, and leave the component's in the stock location? id rather not go through a trial and error, lol.
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What about speaker grills? You could even make some that pop out of the kick panel.
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What about speaker grills? You could even make some that pop out of the kick panel.
i've thought about it... i have metal grills that came with my components... and i know the dyn's come with grill's... so i could always put them on... i'd still be afraid of things getting kicked though.. or punctured thru the grill somehow
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well not in my truck but my rx7 has a center mid/tweeder in the dash, mids in the doors and subs in the hatch area with the ports sticking out the cargo cover. this is all bose though. sounds great. im sure it would sound good in your truck. i would put mids in the rear and just have the sub deal with all the bass
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nothing is going in the rear because i want the imaging to work...

i'm going for SQ now, and will be down sizing my subs soon. right now i have my 2 12's... but rarely use them. i have a bass gain controller in my dash, and it's mostly turned down.

i'm thinking i'm going to keep one 12 for myself put it in a tight sealed box, and tune it conservatively.. then put the other in my dad's car or something. i'm not into pounding anymore.. .i'd rather go for sq now since my taste in music has changed over the past couple of years.. i can't stand rap anymore (used to like it, got many cd's), and wouldn't be able to name anyone on mtv anymore, lol.
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if you give me until tomorrow i acan write up a how-to, there is two ways. both only costing 50-100 and about 10-15 hours per door depending on the look you are going for. i am on my out the door and wont have the time until after 7pm tomorrow.
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yeah the rx has no rear speakers either. it sounds soo much better that a 4 speaker setup. i feel ya in the conservative bumping. i just want one good 12 in mine just to be able to hear the drums in my music. i dont listed to much rap so no need for a big system. i also only want the bass for myself not the car next to me. i hate how my friend has his car set up. the bass boost is all the way on the amp and the head unit. even vons commercials have too much bass. he is the only one in chino hills that got an ilegally amplified ticket.
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nothing is going in the rear because i want the imaging to work...

i'm going for SQ now, and will be down sizing my subs soon. right now i have my 2 12's... but rarely use them. i have a bass gain controller in my dash, and it's mostly turned down.

i'm thinking i'm going to keep one 12 for myself put it in a tight sealed box, and tune it conservatively.. then put the other in my dad's car or something. i'm not into pounding anymore.. .i'd rather go for sq now since my taste in music has changed over the past couple of years.. i can't stand rap anymore (used to like it, got many cd's), and wouldn't be able to name anyone on mtv anymore, lol.
where are you when i am trying to push for front imaging? rear fill is useless, but no one here agrees with...us 3, i guess.
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where are you when i am trying to push for front imaging? rear fill is useless, but no one here agrees with...us 3, i guess.
lol, i dunno, i'm around here somewhere!! furthermore... our trucks are so small, ther's barely even a rear to try to fill anyway, lol.

it's like my buddies mustang... he pulls up, and you can hear everything outside of his car and overall, yeah it sounds just fine (i tore his trunk lid apart and stopped the only rattle he had, so for the most part it sounds just fine).....

but when you get in his car... there's no nothing... just pure sound coming from everywhere.... no imaging what-so-ever. i can't stand it, lol. but... some people have no idea they're missing out, and like having nothing more than "sound." so i guess.. to each their own, when it comes to tuning and imaging. (or lack there of, lol).

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if you give me until tomorrow i acan write up a how-to, there is two ways. both only costing 50-100 and about 10-15 hours per door depending on the look you are going for. i am on my out the door and wont have the time until after 7pm tomorrow.
yeah go ahead... i won't be tearing anything apart for a little while yet (january at the earliest).

i'm really set on just ripping everything out right now and not having anything at all for a little bit because my truck is pissing me off, lol.

i'm a paranoid freak when it comes to unwanted sounds in the cab... and since our trucks aren't the greatest, lol.... i have noises coming from everwhere (i hear them, but friends swear they can't.. or barely can, but say don't bother trying to fix it).

everything is loose from years of pounding... now i have to tear down, repair/retighten the loosened stuff, and get everything in shape again.

i'd really like to sound deaden the hell out of the thing... i just dunno if i want to put the time and money into my truck, is all.

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where are you when i am trying to push for front imaging? rear fill is useless, but no one here agrees with...us 3, i guess.
i agree


So, can someone explain this sound imaging?lol

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So, can someone explain this sound imaging?
i know i already explained it to you on AIM earlier today... but i'll explain it again in here for anyone else that might want to know...

basically... in a nut shell... sound imaging is exactly what it sounds like it might be... putting an "image" with the "sound."

easiest way to understand it is this-- when listening to a song in your car... close your eyes and imagin there's a stage in front of you... in our case, on your dash (for the most part). with proper sound imaging, you'll be able to distinguish where each and every instrument is, as well as vocals.

example: you'll be able to tell that the drums are in the center... maybe there's a piano, and it's way off to your right... you have a singer, and he's right in center.. his back up singers are off to the left. maybe there's a guitar solo at some point, it too is coming from the left side of the stage. then there's bass guitars.. they're over on the right..... all of this will be brought to life with proper tuning and imaging.

sound imaging is a large part of SQ.. because it involves a lot of tweeking, it is much harder to accomplish than simply building an SPL system (IMO). anyone can throw a couple of amps and a couple of subs in, and call it a day... it's making them reproduce what was originally recorded in the studio, is what makes a quality system (again, IMO).
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I agree with the whole imaging and SQ setups, i'm part of it too. I was thinking about a similar setup if I would upgrade in the future to a 3-way setup. Keep the tweeters where they are. Make a fiberglass 'pod' for the door; keep the 5.25's or whatever mids in the stock location (height speaking), and put the 7's or whatever size midbass a little lower. The problem that I have is I have manual windows and the winder is in the way of everything!
Similar to this pic I found online, except put the mid and woofer more vertically, and maybe not so aimed up but more "fitted" into the door.

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And not so "audio-bahn"-ish....lol. Me, I'm more of an SQL team member, but I still try to get some imaging out of my stock Mach system. I can do it on some CDs like The Crystal Method's and a couple other random songs...

I'm gonna wait and save up a bunch and pic out a "most of" or "all of" my equipment at once...
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