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Well, I've been thinking and I need some bump in my truck.

Here's what I got planned:

(2) Type Rs
(2) Hifonics 1206BD ([email protected], [email protected])
Hifonics 18v Line Driver
4ohm-1ohm Impedance switch

That's just the basics. I will have to get a box made by a shop cause I've tried to make a box to fit back there, but I haven't got any results that were satisfactory.

With the impedance switch I will be able to listen to my system with about 900W and when some kid pulls up next to me, bangin' his wimpy ****, BOOM!! 2400W!!

The Line Driver also has a balanced connection and is compatible with the amps, I just don't know if I have to have 2 because the Hifonics' website doesn't tell you anyhting. But I can plug an MP3 player into it...oh goody.

I just have to figure out my front stage and HU and RCAs and Wiring and ........ yeah...

I will gladly take suggestions/constructive criticism.

Thanks Everyone in advance.
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That's alot of speaker and power for what's gonna be a small box.
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^^x2...I wouldn't try to fit type r's...they have a 6.5" mounting depth IIRC.

They don't react well sealed either.

I would pick up a pair of JL's or RE's...just either

JLW3's
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Resonant Engineering RE's


Check out some of the other things you'd like and I'll comment on them.

JL and RE does well in sealed applications. Type R's hate sealed (I know from experience and word of mouth) and so does kicker.
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why do you say type r's don't like sealed boxes, my 12 is in a .75 cubic foot box and sounds great. It is all in box design.

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I would pick up a pair of JL's or RE's...just either

JLW3's
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Resonant Engineering RE's
there's one problem with that statement. The JL W3's won't take that kind of power. Believe me, I tryed. And when did the sealed box come in. He doesn't say anything about a sealed box. Personally, if you want loud subs, & if you do want a small box go with JL's W6 line. a 10W6 only needs 0.625 sealed or 0.75 ported. 12W6 is 1.25 sealed and 1.5 ported. They are made for small boxes. The only problem is they peak at 800 watts
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no go on the type r's ive never been a fan of the alpine sub line..

i got some elemental desings 13Ks for sale used for bout a week..if your intrested ill go for a good price..i got em 2 weeks ago..had em plugged in for a week..ready to sell haha..

either the elemental designs or RE
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the type R's take a hell of a box and a port.. or they will sound like *** and bottom out alot. the W6's are an amazing sub. that would be your best bet
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That's alot of speaker and power for what's gonna be a small box.
Smaller enclosure = Higher Q = Higher power handling. Box bracing can go a helluva long way when done properly.

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^^x2...I wouldn't try to fit type r's...they have a 6.5" mounting depth IIRC.
I'm a really small guy and I can accomodate a box to fit a XXX.

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They don't react well sealed either.

I would pick up a pair of JL's or RE's...just either

JLW3's
or
Resonant Engineering RE's

Check out some of the other things you'd like and I'll comment on them.

JL and RE does well in sealed applications. Type R's hate sealed (I know from experience and word of mouth) and so does kicker.
That may be a problem, then. My friend had 2 old TypeR's but i didn't listen to it all the time, ,so I didn't know if they really sounded good or not. JLs need a really deep ported SQ box to perform their best. Maybe Kyle will pop in and provide some RE knowledge.
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i got some RE knowledge for you..

get em there good i got a friend htat has 2 8s in his S-10 the lowest smallest sub they have and they KNOCK..loud sounds good nice and clear couldnt ask for more for the lowest smallest sub they make.

theres some RE knowledge for you
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Smaller enclosure = Higher Q = Higher power handling. Box bracing can go a helluva long way when done properly.
Been there, done that.
I've had an regular cab, with the biggest box I/you could fit behind the seats. The only way to go bigger is to start chopping the bench seats up or a rear cut through.

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You can eek out the airspace with a custom box, but it's definitely not optimal. If you're going with 10" it will mitigate the top mount depth limitations, even if you're short & small.

My wife enjoyed the back massage, long trips were more cramped. It sounded good though, but when I upgraded to a extended cab and rebuilt the box it was much improved.

You'll get around 1.5 internal cubic foot, minus volume for the subs. You'll probably have to subtract some if you gonna integrate an amp rack into the box too. I wouldn't be worried about bracing, it'll only subtract your internal airpsace and with a box that irregularly shaped, you'll only need it down the center, which if you're running 2 subs you might as well divide the airspace.

It'll still sound good. I think 2 high powered 10"s would kill for rock/lower midrange.
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1.5ft if I lucky...

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It'll still sound good. I think 2 high powered 10"s would kill for rock/lower midrange.
Amen!
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Just a quick question since you guys are on this topic if I may. I was wondering about the box that MTX makes that is ported and has a 10" in it. I think it is the ThunderForm. What size do you think that it is? Maybe you could make or have made something to those specs? I think the MTX is a little on the $$ side. I had a '99 amigo and had only 1 10". It was MTX . I had a pioneer head unit and JBL amp, I can't remember the output, but wasn't much, but it was enough to make my dogtags dance hanging from my rearview mirror. Listening to Metallica and stuff, it hit pretty good.

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JLs need a really deep ported SQ box to perform their best. Maybe Kyle will pop in and provide some RE knowledge.
Dude, no offense, but depends on what JL's you're talking about. The W6 line is designed & made for SMALL SEALED BOXES! Period. Talk to any JL dealer 7 they will tell you the same thing! Also, the W6 line is the most known for their sound quality in small sealed boxes for years. Now, if you are talking the W3 line, yes, they do need a large ported box. Or decent sized sealed.
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Well, I've been thinking and I need some bump in my truck.
If you do have a standard cab, I would go with the JL W1's. A 10" is only 4.34" deep & 0.625 sealed. I've installed alot of these subs & I am very impressed with them.
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no go on the type r's ive never been a fan of the alpine sub line..

i got some elemental desings 13Ks for sale used for bout a week..if your intrested ill go for a good price..i got em 2 weeks ago..had em plugged in for a week..ready to sell haha..

either the elemental designs or RE

Everyone says that...until they hear a properly done install.

come hear mine

not to be arrogant!!!
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The subwoofer is only 20% of the sound... the other 80% is the installation. Any competitior will tell you that.

I wouldn't put JL in my truck anyway. haha.
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^^^

70% install
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11% beer

I live by that...
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I don't like beer, so-->

70% Install
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The subwoofer is only 20% of the sound... the other 80% is the installation. Any competitior will tell you that
No S***! But if you buy POS equipment, you get POS sound! Any competitor will tell you that also! Not saying Alpine is POS cause I have an Alpine Head unit. Not saying you have to use JL either. I was just giving you an example! Everybody is entitled to their opinion & suggestions, wether you take it or not is your issue. If you can't take people's opinions, DON'T ASK!!
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Cool it down, bro. I was just sayin I don't like JL, but I understand that they have a low profile sub. Earthquake has one also... and it can take more power.
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It's cool. BTW are you doing a sealed or ported box?
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I'll just stick with my mb quarts and RE with hifonics anyday
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I love re's subs...their mids are awesome too!

I would still take a set of kickers or type r's over re's simply for the price.

I'm not willing to spend 700 on a sub (XXX or MT) to hit 148.x when I can do it with 2 12" type r's/kicker l7's for 700 for box/subs/speakers.....
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I love re's subs...their mids are awesome too!

I would still take a set of kickers or type r's over re's simply for the price.

I'm not willing to spend 700 on a sub (XXX or MT) to hit 148.x when I can do it with 2 12" type r's/kicker l7's for 700 for box/subs/speakers.....

RE stupid price hikes


but you can find used MT's for cheap :)
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