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thank you captain obvious. we all know its been done. but no ones stupid enough to use a stock ranger trans.

there's a guy who actually wheels his 4bt ranger, and one on TRS that is getting parts if he hasnt already started the swap.
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The difference is that a 4bt can produce that torque at a MUCH lower RPM than a v8 gasser. Besides, with a v8 swap, you don't use the stock Ranger tranny, do ya
The rpm the torque is produced at shouldn't affect whether the transmission durability. From what I understand, transmissions are built to undertake a specific amount of torque, but the rpm is never specified for that reason (free body diagram could probably verifiy it).

I do agree though regardless, the stock trans would eventually be roasted, although it may be all right for a while, since the 4.0 puts out 240 lb-ft.
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switch the stock ford IRIDIUM spark plugs to
the new CHAMPION COPPER PLUS spark plugs
made a huge difference in engine power and fuel economy
i am now getting 650 km`s + per tank
i will be replacing the stock ignition coil with an accel one tommorrow
exhaust tone from the tail pipe is a-lot throatier
( get your fuel injection flushed first )
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switch the stock ford IRIDIUM spark plugs to
the new CHAMPION COPPER PLUS spark plugs
made a huge difference in engine power and fuel economy
i am now getting 650 km`s + per tank
i will be replacing the stock ignition coil with an accel one tommorrow
exhaust tone from the tail pipe is a-lot throatier
( get your fuel injection flushed first )
I think you posted in the wrong thread since diesel engines don't have spark plugs.
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i think hes referring to the dude saying he has 65k with no power
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im gonna jump in and call bull **** on a HUGE amount of power difference..and also the exhaust tone.
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Haha wow......
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great idea, but, as stated no stock tranny, go with a zf5, the 8.8 will handle the power, you can run a p-pumped 4bt through one and be just fine, just get the axles straightned and put some taller gears, like say 3.08's if your looking for 4wd i would suggest a front axle out of a 03 to ? 1500 dodge, (the ones with the solid axle) or possibly a jeep. if for some reason the 8.8 gives out, you can get a nine and be done with it. your only issue is going to be with getting it registered. because as far as diesel engine swapping goes i belive you have to have the same model year or newer of engine as the truck. and good luck finding a mechanical 4bt built 08 or later. but there is my suggestion to you. i have done a lot of researching on this cause i wanted to put one in my 07 but i always came back to the registration. its a bear and i decided i would get a 95 -97 half ton or one ton for a 6bt swap.

and thats my $.02

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Old 12-02-2009
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Sparkplugs won't make a lot of power difference in a stock engine, unless yours are DEAD and you're installing new ones.

My only concern with installing a 4BT in a Ranger is the engine height, and oil pan clearances. They're not exceptionally long, however you're removing a 400~ lb engine and installing a ~700 lb engine, and considering that an NV4500 would be the reasonably swap, you'll be picking up a couple of pounds there over the 5R55E. The stock 8.8" should handle the power/torque if you're not planning on drag racing the truck, but your front end IS NOT going to like the extra weight of the diesel, so a D44 (minimum) or D60 would have to be swapped in, or some other heavier front axle if you're 2wd. A D60 rearend would be ideal though just to be on the safe side...

So now you're looking at a diesel Ranger with D60s, weighing at least 1000 lbs heavier than stock (so you're weight's now around 5500 lbs). You're still cramped in the cab, its going to be hard fitting everything because the small engine bay was never designed for the size of the diesel, and you're going to have cooling issues from being forced to use a smaller-than-ideal rad.. I'm not trying to be negative, but unless you're a huge Ranger fan and a huge diesel fan, I would consider the swap to kinda pointless considering the amount of power that can be gained so much simpler from a 5.0L swap (and anyone who's done it knows even thats not a simple swap on a Ranger).

If you're into heavy fab work, then it'd be an awesome swap dude and I'd say go for it! If not, and you're just longing for more power, than buy a fullsize 4x4 and I promise you that you'll be 100x happier with it over your Ranger. Just my .02. LR
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Just curious... why are the ranger transmissions so crappy? I have a '96 with 182k miles on it and never had a single tranny problem.
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Just curious... why are the ranger transmissions so crappy? I have a '96 with 182k miles on it and never had a single tranny problem.
I got $10 says it's been replaced before. My 5R55E took a dump about 3 weeks ago now. 114K on my odo.
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Eh the the 5-speed tranny in my 87 has had no problems although it is a little wornout it still shifts fine no metal in the oil ect.
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wow old thread but it reminded me of this

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Outlaw Diesel's Twin-Turbo, Supercharged Cummins Ranger

Outlaw Diesel in Miami may have one of the fastest 4WD street trucks around once this bad boy is done. A twisted idea brought to life, this poor little Ranger didn't know what it was in for once Outlaw got ahold of it.
1997 Ford Ranger Rear View

The truck itself is a '97 Ford Ranger with an '04 front clip and a good ol' 12-valve Cummins shoehorned into it. Did we say shoehorn? Sorry, it took even more than that. If you look closely at the pictures, you'll notice the radical engine setback needed for this project to work. When we asked Felix Aleman, president of Outlaw Diesel, how he did the engine swap, he laughed and said, "With a lot of Sawzall blades."

The truck was originally set up to be a big-tire truck, but Felix was worried people wouldn't identify with a tubbed truck as much as they would a normal-tire-sized vehicle. So a new plan of action was hatched, and the truck was converted to 4WD. The entire frame was first boxed for strength while a custom four-link front and rear suspension was built for the truck. A divorced NP205 transfer case was used along with a built Dana 44 up front and a Ford 8.8-inch in the rear. Both have 3.55 gears and may be up to the task of dragstrip launches because of the Ranger's relatively light 4,500-pound projected weight.
1997 Ford Ranger Front View
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1997 Ford Ranger Front View
Outlaw Diesel of Miami is building one of the more unique street warriors out there with its radical, Cummins-powered Ford Ranger.

1997 Ford Ranger Engine Setback
Notice the drastic engine...

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1997 Ford Ranger Engine Setback
Notice the drastic engine setback, where the last two cylinders are actually under the cowl and dash of the truck. Extra room had to be created for the Cummins to fit and to make sure the cog drive for the front of the supercharger would clear everything.

1997 Ford Ranger Turbo
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1997 Ford Ranger Turbo
Normally, an HX35 turbo is good for about 400 hp at the wheels, but in this case, there are two of them mounted on a custom header. With a Vortech Mondo supercharger as the first stage, the twin-turbocharged, supercharged, two-stage, nitrous-injected Ranger should have no trouble making power.

The Cummins 12-valve got a Hot cam from Haisley Machine, as well as Stage 3 ported heads. All the machine work was done at Haisley, while the engine was put together by the folks at Outlaw. Custom lower compression 16.5:1 pistons are used, and the block has been girdled for strength. A modified P7100 215 pump is used with Haisley delivery valves and Industrial Injection Dragon Flow injectors.

The induction setup is where things get very interesting. For boost, the engine relies on a unique combination of a Vortech Mondo supercharger blowing into twin HX35 turbochargers on a custom Outlaw Diesel-built header. All this air is then chilled by an air-to-water intercooler and two stages of nitrous oxide. "The blower should help spool up the turbos so there is almost no lag, and with the way the blower is pullied, we should be able to leave the line at near full boost [100 psi]," Felix said. With a projected 1,100-1,300hp level at the crankshaft, this Ranger should be able to spin all four Nitto 555R drag radials on its way to quarter-mile passes in the 9-second range. And, yes, it's street-legal in Florida.

Building something Crazy? You need this
1997 Ford Ranger Adapter

What is it? Well, with many drag trucks using mix-and-match parts that were never designed to work together-much less work in whichever vehicle they may be going into-custom engine and transmission parts are starting to become a reality.

This particular piece is in the possession of TS Performance's Dennis Perry and is an adapter that will mate an Allison transmission to an NV271 transfer case. This means that newer Fords and Dodges will soon be able to take advantage of the Allison's many speeds.

Currently, this adapter is part of a Cummins-powered Ford project, which along with the Allison transmission, will take the Chevy/Dodge/Ford diesel alliance to a whole new level.
found it here

Project Garage - Drag Trucks - Diesel Power Magazine
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thats awsome . . . btw the 4bt was offered in chevy and ford framed box trucks and bread vans which outweigh a ranger any day, so no worries on buliding a stronger, though heaveier, front and rear suspensions cause the engine will eat it up and ask for seconds, your not going to overwork it so i wouldnt worry about that, nevertheless, dont try using stock suspension . . . at all . . . i would say leaf sprung all around would be the best bet and the easiest to fabricate (less suspension geometry and whatnot) plus its tried and true for years.

if you do decide to to it, make sure you post pics and tell me how you got past the whole registration problem.

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ford makes diesels over seas, wouldnt it be easier to to swap those?. i know this is an old thread, but i have been thinking this is the way to go for low end towing power and gas mileage.
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It won't pass in the states thats why we don't have them here for a long time the 1 ton diesels were excluded from testing which made it illegal to put one in a ranger which is in the light truck category. Especially now that the states are testing diesels you will have to wait until ford releases an "approved" configuration that is the ONLY way it will pass inspection the same year or newer rule only applies to gas motor to gas motor or diesel to diesel swaps. Its just way to much money and when your done you have a 4000 pound paperweight in your driveway.
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