how much merc V for a trans fluid change?
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Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
i respect no one who dosn't tell the great people of "ranger forums" there real , at least, first name.
and dont even think for one second about doctoring anything!
and dont even think for one second about doctoring anything!
Direct screen shot from alldata for an 04 4.0 (first quarter software). Its been resized due to my desktop is 1650x1080.
Its identical to the ford procedure pictured above.
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Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
ok all you idiots be warned, tomorrow i will take a snapshot of "alldata's" way of draining a ford transmission.
this will be taken from the latest copy of alldata 2007 third quarter.
remember you have been warned!
this will be taken from the latest copy of alldata 2007 third quarter.
remember you have been warned!
And since you have been corrected, people reading this thread will now know the correct way to service trannies, and not be misguided by bad information!!
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Originally Posted by Blhde
Pan gasket is all thats needed. No rtv or other sealant.
i'll have my computer tech come over tomorrow and figure out a way to take a screen shot of my request from blhde.
unless he wants to post it on his own.
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Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
no reply to my other request?
I have deleted alldata as it does not cover my truck, atleast the dvd i got anyway.
Press the print screen button, then paste into your picture editing software.
Still, the fact a ranger doesn't use a Taurus tranny. So your info is wrong for his application/needs.
Last edited by Blhde; Aug 18, 2007 at 08:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by Blhde
Obliviously there is more than one way to skin a cat. ...It makes everyone involved look like a bleeding vagina.
First off, LOL...whoa. Thanks for the imagery concerning the latter of those 2 comments...
Secondly, I can only really think of one way to skin a cat...how many ways do you know? Skin a deer...check. Cat? Hm...is that how you got the "bleeding vagina" comment?
Lastly, I just replace my tranny pan & its fluid. I have heard of BOTH parties using those 3 described methods (just pan, run until "dry," and run + refill). I haven't heard of any problems with the "run til no more comes out" method, but I wouldn't wanna do that either. I think running it close to dry could cause problems down the road, and you can never bee 100% sure the Ford mechanic really DOES replace those 9 qts of tranny fluid.
I like the drain + refill method, despite its tediousness.
Does anyone have scanned docs of "Full Refill" procedures?
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Originally Posted by Takeda
Hopefully through all the posts in this thread, you have learned the correct way to service a Ford (or any other tranny)!!
And since you have been corrected, people reading this thread will now know the correct way to service trannies, and not be misguided by bad information!!
And since you have been corrected, people reading this thread will now know the correct way to service trannies, and not be misguided by bad information!!
Originally Posted by Blhde
I have deleted alldata as it does not cover my truck, atleast the dvd i got anyway.
Press the print screen button, then paste into your picture editing software.
Still, the fact a ranger doesn't use a tauras tranny. So your info is wrong for his application/needs.
Press the print screen button, then paste into your picture editing software.
Still, the fact a ranger doesn't use a tauras tranny. So your info is wrong for his application/needs.
i just thought you would want to prove the other idiot wrong, but then if you did you both look bad!
and "tauras" is spelled "taurus"
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ok bob ayers and blhde
now i expect you two to correct your answers and make things right ok.
i do know what i am talking about, the only reason the ranger is different is due to the cooler lines and how hard or easy it is to get to them to drain the trans.
now i expect you two to correct your answers and make things right ok.
i do know what i am talking about, the only reason the ranger is different is due to the cooler lines and how hard or easy it is to get to them to drain the trans.
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Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
ok bob ayers and blhde
now i expect you two to correct your answers and make things right ok.
now i expect you two to correct your answers and make things right ok.
If I could understand what the hell you said i just might.
Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
depends on how you do it.
if you just pull the pan and replace the filter 4-5 quarts.
the proper way to drain a ford transmission and get 98% of the fluid out is to un-hook one of the trans lines, put a hose on both ends and place them in a drain pan or 5 gallon bucket then start the engine, leave it in park and let it run untill no more fluid comes out.
then you will need 9-10 quarts, plus when you pull the pan you wont make as big of a mess.
if you just pull the pan and replace the filter 4-5 quarts.
the proper way to drain a ford transmission and get 98% of the fluid out is to un-hook one of the trans lines, put a hose on both ends and place them in a drain pan or 5 gallon bucket then start the engine, leave it in park and let it run untill no more fluid comes out.
then you will need 9-10 quarts, plus when you pull the pan you wont make as big of a mess.
Review of your statement leads to the same conclusion. Also you will not get 98% of the fluid out. You will get about 80 percent due the converter will not drain. It holds roughly 2 quarts. Again we are talking about a Ranger not a Taurus.
You cant just call all Ford transmissions the same and treat them as such. Its like saying all black people look this same.
Every transmission model has unique procedures. Just as all people are unique.
Essentially you are racist against Ford products. You need to tailor your method to each model and not treat them all the same.
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Where is the Alldata sheet for a full tranny flush for a 4R55E or a 5R55E? Could either of you post that, please?
In regards to that "racist" comment, I think it's funny when people ask me if I'm Bruce Lee's nephew (i.e.) when they discover my last name is Lee.
What is the final conclusion to draining the tranny?
In regards to that "racist" comment, I think it's funny when people ask me if I'm Bruce Lee's nephew (i.e.) when they discover my last name is Lee.
What is the final conclusion to draining the tranny?
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Originally Posted by Blhde
You need to tailor your method to each model and not treat them all the same.
there is a caution about pumping the ATF out. Check with Ford dealerships, they use the tranny service equipment (like I have previously posted) even
on Taurus's!!! Not having the tranny service equipment is why he didn't answer my question on how he services the new Ford trannies without a dipstick. The only way is with the tranny service equipment.
The method I described (removing and replacing a gallon at a time) emulates the flush the tranny service equipment does.
Last edited by Takeda; Aug 19, 2007 at 06:44 AM.
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Originally Posted by AgPete139
Where is the Alldata sheet for a full tranny flush for a 4R55E or a 5R55E? Could either of you post that, please?
What is the final conclusion to draining the tranny?
What is the final conclusion to draining the tranny?
Where is the Alldata sheet for a full tranny flush for a 4R55E or a 5R55E?
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wow you guys sure like to backpedal.
even after you have been proven wrong you still think in your mind that you are right.
and yes we do have a T tec trans flush machine at my shop and it gets used a lot. this however is just a fluid exchange only. the method i described was to help the guy in removing the pan so he didn't make a huge mess trying to do this on his back in his garage.
i bet niether one of you have even taken a pan off a transmission, and i dought have ever had one torn down like this.
i'm over this, you two can have a circle jerk all by yourselfs.
even after you have been proven wrong you still think in your mind that you are right.
and yes we do have a T tec trans flush machine at my shop and it gets used a lot. this however is just a fluid exchange only. the method i described was to help the guy in removing the pan so he didn't make a huge mess trying to do this on his back in his garage.
i bet niether one of you have even taken a pan off a transmission, and i dought have ever had one torn down like this.
i'm over this, you two can have a circle jerk all by yourselfs.
Last edited by 04 EDGE; Aug 19, 2007 at 07:21 AM.
Guys, Here is the text cut and pasted off the Ford Service CD.
Interestingly check out line 8 at the very bottom!
«2001 Ranger Table of Contents»
«Group 3: Powertrain»
«Section 307-01B: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION — 5R44E AND 5R55E»
«IN-VEHICLE REPAIR»
Fluid Pan, Gasket and Filter
Removal
µ 1. Note:
If equipped, the transmission servo heat shield needs to be unclipped from the fluid pan rail and positioned out of the way for fluid pan removal.
If equipped, loosen the nut and position the heat shield out of the way.
2. Place a drain pan under the transmission fluid pan.
µ 3. Drain transmission fluid.
l Remove all the transmission fluid pan bolts except for two in the front. Loosen the two front transmission fluid pan screws. Pry the rear of the transmission fluid pan down and allow fluid to drain. After fluid is drained, remove the front two transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 4. Remove the transmission fluid pan.
1 Remove the transmission fluid pan.
2 Remove and discard the transmission fluid pan gasket.
µ 5. Remove and discard the transmission fluid filter.
1 Remove the transmission fluid filter screw.
2 Remove the transmission fluid filter.
µ 6. Clean and inspect the transmission fluid pan and magnet. Clean all mating surfaces.
7. Flush the transmission fluid cooler and transmission fluid cooler lines. For additional information, refer to «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» in this section.
Installation
µ 1. CAUTION:
Lubricate fluid filter O-rings with MERCON ® V Automatic Transmission Fluid XT-5-QM meeting Ford specification MERCON ® V or they may be damaged.
Lube and install new O-rings onto the transmission fluid filter. Install a new transmission fluid filter.
l Position transmission fluid filter on the main control valve body.
µ 2. CAUTION:
Make sure wire harness is not pinched under filter.
Install transmission fluid filter screw.
µ 3. Position the oil pan magnet in the transmission fluid pan.
µ 4. Install the transmission fluid pan.
1 Position a new transmission fluid pan gasket on the transmission fluid pan.
2 Install and align the transmission fluid pan.
l Loosely install the transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 5. Tighten the transmission fluid pan screws.
l Use a crisscross sequence to tighten the transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 6. If equipped, position the servo heat shield over the servos and clip it to the pan rail.
7. Lower the vehicle.
8. Note:
When filling a dry transmission and converter, start with a minimum of 3.7 liters (4 quarts).
Fill transmission to the correct fluid level and check for correct transmission operation.
l Use MERCON ® V Automatic Transmission Fluid XT-5-QM meeting Ford specification MERCON ® V.
Interestingly check out line 8 at the very bottom!
«2001 Ranger Table of Contents»
«Group 3: Powertrain»
«Section 307-01B: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION — 5R44E AND 5R55E»
«IN-VEHICLE REPAIR»
Fluid Pan, Gasket and Filter
Removal
µ 1. Note:
If equipped, the transmission servo heat shield needs to be unclipped from the fluid pan rail and positioned out of the way for fluid pan removal.
If equipped, loosen the nut and position the heat shield out of the way.
2. Place a drain pan under the transmission fluid pan.
µ 3. Drain transmission fluid.
l Remove all the transmission fluid pan bolts except for two in the front. Loosen the two front transmission fluid pan screws. Pry the rear of the transmission fluid pan down and allow fluid to drain. After fluid is drained, remove the front two transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 4. Remove the transmission fluid pan.
1 Remove the transmission fluid pan.
2 Remove and discard the transmission fluid pan gasket.
µ 5. Remove and discard the transmission fluid filter.
1 Remove the transmission fluid filter screw.
2 Remove the transmission fluid filter.
µ 6. Clean and inspect the transmission fluid pan and magnet. Clean all mating surfaces.
7. Flush the transmission fluid cooler and transmission fluid cooler lines. For additional information, refer to «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» in this section.
Installation
µ 1. CAUTION:
Lubricate fluid filter O-rings with MERCON ® V Automatic Transmission Fluid XT-5-QM meeting Ford specification MERCON ® V or they may be damaged.
Lube and install new O-rings onto the transmission fluid filter. Install a new transmission fluid filter.
l Position transmission fluid filter on the main control valve body.
µ 2. CAUTION:
Make sure wire harness is not pinched under filter.
Install transmission fluid filter screw.
µ 3. Position the oil pan magnet in the transmission fluid pan.
µ 4. Install the transmission fluid pan.
1 Position a new transmission fluid pan gasket on the transmission fluid pan.
2 Install and align the transmission fluid pan.
l Loosely install the transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 5. Tighten the transmission fluid pan screws.
l Use a crisscross sequence to tighten the transmission fluid pan screws.
µ 6. If equipped, position the servo heat shield over the servos and clip it to the pan rail.
7. Lower the vehicle.
8. Note:
When filling a dry transmission and converter, start with a minimum of 3.7 liters (4 quarts).
Fill transmission to the correct fluid level and check for correct transmission operation.
l Use MERCON ® V Automatic Transmission Fluid XT-5-QM meeting Ford specification MERCON ® V.
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Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
the method i described was to help the guy in removing the pan so he didn't make a huge mess trying to do this on his back in his garage.
Removing 1 gallon is all it takes to not make a mess removing the pan, which I know from experience!!
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
For additional information, refer to «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» in this section.
Thanks Rich! Could you please post the «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» section on here as well? They are also arguing about this method as well...
Thanks!
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did anyone notice that in the alldata listing for the taurus it states at the bottom that this will remove ONLY 2-3 quarts of fluid... so now how does this process even come close to flushing the tranny empty? Even the process for the Taurus does not have you draining the tranny empty...
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thats somewhat of a missprint jason. if the pump is strong and it is full you should get 5-6 quarts out of it.
i used this method a few days ago when i changed my mother-in-laws leaking pan gasket on her 2000 explorer, got almost 6 quarts out of it. i had to use some of the special adaptors that came with out T-tec machine to hook to the lines.
i used this method a few days ago when i changed my mother-in-laws leaking pan gasket on her 2000 explorer, got almost 6 quarts out of it. i had to use some of the special adaptors that came with out T-tec machine to hook to the lines.
Originally Posted by AgPete139
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Thanks Rich! Could you please post the «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» section on here as well? They are also arguing about this method as well...
Thanks!
Thanks Rich! Could you please post the «Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning» section on here as well? They are also arguing about this method as well...
Thanks!
Rich
«2001 Ranger Table of Contents»
«Group 3: Powertrain»
«Section 307-01B: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION — 5R44E AND 5R55E»
«GENERAL PROCEDURES»
Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning
CAUTION:
Whenever a transmission has been disassembled to install new parts, or because the valve body sticks from foreign material, the transmission fluid cooler must be cleaned using a suitable torque converter/fluid cooler cleaner. Under no circumstances should torque converters be cleaned by hand agitation with solvent.
When internal wear or damage has occurred in the transmission, metal particles, clutch plate material, or band material may have been carried into the transmission cooler. These contaminants are a major cause of recurring transmission concerns and must be removed from the system before the transmission is put back into service.
1. Conduct backflushing with a suitable torque converter/transmission fluid cooler cleaner. Test the equipment to make sure that a vigorous fluid flow is present before proceeding. Install a new system filter if flow is weak or contaminated.
2. To aid in attaching the cleaner to the transmission steel cooler lines, connect two additional rubber hoses to the transmission end of the steel transmission cooler lines as described.
l Connect the cleaner tank pressure line to the steel transmission cooler return line (longest line).
l Connect a tank return hose to the steel transmission cooler pressure line (shorter line). Place the outlet end of this hose in the solvent tank reservoir.
3. Turn on solvent pump and allow the solvent to circulate a minimum of 5 minutes (cycling switch on and off will help dislodge contaminants in cooler system).
4. Switch off the solvent pump and disconnect the solvent pressure hose from the transmission cooler return line.
5. Use compressed air to blow out the cooler(s) and lines (blow air into the transmission cooler return line) until all solvent is removed.
6. Remove the rubber return hose from the remaining steel cooler line.
«Group 3: Powertrain»
«Section 307-01B: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION — 5R44E AND 5R55E»
«GENERAL PROCEDURES»
Transmission Fluid Cooler — Backflushing and Cleaning
CAUTION:
Whenever a transmission has been disassembled to install new parts, or because the valve body sticks from foreign material, the transmission fluid cooler must be cleaned using a suitable torque converter/fluid cooler cleaner. Under no circumstances should torque converters be cleaned by hand agitation with solvent.
When internal wear or damage has occurred in the transmission, metal particles, clutch plate material, or band material may have been carried into the transmission cooler. These contaminants are a major cause of recurring transmission concerns and must be removed from the system before the transmission is put back into service.
1. Conduct backflushing with a suitable torque converter/transmission fluid cooler cleaner. Test the equipment to make sure that a vigorous fluid flow is present before proceeding. Install a new system filter if flow is weak or contaminated.
2. To aid in attaching the cleaner to the transmission steel cooler lines, connect two additional rubber hoses to the transmission end of the steel transmission cooler lines as described.
l Connect the cleaner tank pressure line to the steel transmission cooler return line (longest line).
l Connect a tank return hose to the steel transmission cooler pressure line (shorter line). Place the outlet end of this hose in the solvent tank reservoir.
3. Turn on solvent pump and allow the solvent to circulate a minimum of 5 minutes (cycling switch on and off will help dislodge contaminants in cooler system).
4. Switch off the solvent pump and disconnect the solvent pressure hose from the transmission cooler return line.
5. Use compressed air to blow out the cooler(s) and lines (blow air into the transmission cooler return line) until all solvent is removed.
6. Remove the rubber return hose from the remaining steel cooler line.
