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65 mpg huh?

 

ok, id need more then that


cause right now, the 1350 is FREE and sitting in my garage (with 2 front driveshafts) and a 1354 will COST me money

 

Maurice, thanks for the info. Getting the speedo to work would be very nice indeed. It would make my error "worth it". lol. The next question (probably for rwenzig) is whether the speed output sensor would adapt to the 2004 electronics. There is some issue with a square weave signal, I remember reading that from him a while back with someone else. Even getting an aftermarket speedo would be fine. At this point the only working guages are tach and fuel level. Converting them all over to aftermarket would be pretty cool in itself.

 

I found one in e-bay. Any guess on speed sensor (was the explorer sensor in the rear end?) Also, does the pic show which front driveshaft is needed?
Here is what it shows to fit:
90-95 FORD EXPLORER 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

Up for auction is one used TRANSFER CASE. It will fit any

90-95 FORD EXPLORER 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

90 FORD BRONCO II 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

94 MAZDA B2300 3000 4000 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

91 MAZDA NAVAJO 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

90-94 FORD RANGER 4X4 WARNER 1354 TRANSFER CASE

If you have any questions feel free to contact me.

 

you need the older explorer driveshaft around 97ish. or the one off a 97 ranger.

one off a Jeep XJ might work as well

 

Ford had a strange setup in the 2WD Bronco II's for several years. The 4x4 style transmission (with extension housing) was used on all BII's during those years regardless of drive. The 4x4's got a real transfer case and the 2WD's got a straight through "dummy" case.


I believe that Ford started using the 13-54 in the 4.0L Ranger in 1990 to handle the additional torque. Explorers started production in 1991 as 4.0L's only and they all got the 13-54. Sometime during the 90's, Ford dropped the 13-50 altogether and started using the 13-54 in all Rangers regardless of engine size.

Some owners have retrofitted the 13-50 behind a 4.0L. The factory never did though. That might be a clue...

 

i would say the only reason for the retrofit was the 1350 is more readily available in a manual version than the 1354 is.....

 

95~97 Ranger speedometers read directly from a gear driven "signal generator" on the transmission or transfer case. It is adjusted for axle and tire diameter errors using a range of small interchangeable gears, similar to how a cable driven speedo would be corrected. The output pulse is wired directly to the speedo/odo.

98~2003 Rangers are different. They use one of 3 modules to read a low voltage wave from a sensor at the rear axle or transmission, depending on the year. That frequency of that wave is used by the module to calculate and output a 12VDC square wave for the speedometer and other "users" like the speed control and 4x4 Module. Correction factors for tire diameter and axle ratio can be flashed into the module.

1995~2003 Ford electric speedometers are standardized to an 8000 pulses/mile 12VDC square wave. That's why you can easily swap speedometers among those years.

For 2004+, things change again. In your truck, the signal from the trans sensor (OSS) is read by the PCM and a corrected square wave is sent to all other user modules EXCEPT the speedometer. Vehicle speed info for the speedometer is sent from the PCM separately over the SCP bus of the Module Communications Network. Since it is a separate signal, I have to believe that it is in a completely different format.

So, to get to the point, I don't see how you could make the 2004 Ranger speedometer work with the 95~97 signal generator. However you should be able to get it working if you install a 95~97 Ranger transfer case and find an aftermarket speedometer that is compatible with the 8000 pulse/mile square wave.

 

aftermarket speedo is no problem. Thanks for the info. The 200 miles i drove it with out a speedo, the GPS unit did just fine. If I have to stick with that I can work with it.

Reading between the lines-- the dummy 1350 unit from the Bii. There's one at the pick 'n pull for $65. Sounds like I can mount that to my truck and not connet the front driveshaft. The rear drive shaft will bolt on? no adapters or driveshaft swap needed for the rear?

That could get me back on the road again. get the new tranny debugged- shifting correctly, etc. Once I find a real transfer case at a decent price I'm back with 4x4.

 

nevermind, reading back through this post the rear driveshaft is different with a 1354 over a 1350. back to the drawing board. Still saving $30 a week in gas driveing a 4banger saturn. lol. I'm gonna be rich. I'm driving a saturn.

 

no the rear output of the 1350 and 1354 are identical, they both use companion flanges. It's the FRONT outputs that are different. Id say to go for a 1354 from a 90-97 ranger or a 91-96 explorer and get a front driveshaft from a 95 or 96 explorer as it will be the correct length for that style 1354 and the IFS D35.

 

I need a tie breaker on this. anyone? $65 and I'm back on the road if this will bolt on with no rear driveshaft mods.

 

well considering I'm using a 1350M in my '94 and my driveshaft is from an explorer (only ever had 1354s in them)... THERE IS NO FACTORY RBV T-CASE WITH A SLIP YOKE FOR THE REAR OUTPUT. Yes MOST (not all) 1350s use a slip yoke for the FRONT output none of them use one for the rear.

 

Thanks jason. I'm gonna try it.

 

I have the 1350 "dummy" case in my hands. I had to swap the rear output adapters to make it fit my driveshaft. That was easy enough. The big question:

Does it need oil? lol. Serious question though. This is a dummy case. There is no front driveshaft connection. Apparently Ford put this case in 2wd BII's so the same driveshaft and same odometer cable output could be used.

No drain or fill plugs on the unit.And it is LIGHT in weight. Wow. what a difference between the two.

 

no it doesn't need oil since it is a pass through only and it doesn't have a chain and gears in it.....

that was put in the 2wd Bronco II's like you said that way they could use the same parts they put in the 4wd BII's without having to mill different parts...

 

Thanks maurice. Question answered. I'm heading back outside.

 

It's on. Fixing to take a little test drive.

 

sweet! it should work with no problem....

did i miss what you are going to do about 4wd

 

awesome wayne, let us know how it goes. this will be what the first real drive with the new trans?

 

no. I managed to drive 200 miles without oil in the original case.lol. Not bad I guess.

All went well. I didn't push it because there is an open hole in the top where the speedo cable attaches. I just drove it a couple of miles.

I had tightened the TV cable based on the 200 mile run. The shift into second is now about right. Before it was shifting too soon.

 

I'll get a prpoper transfer case at some point. This was cheap and gets me back on the road.

 

ahhhh! i see!

 

so do you like it? glad you did the swap? anyway to compare this to the 5R55E