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Ok, it seems most people on this forum want something like the old Ranger. Here is a single cab and supercab, with 5 cylinder 3.2 diesel. Now with a lift kit and some big tires this may satisfy some.
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Except it has an insanely strong truck chassis not a car chassis. The Chassis has more strength then the Toyota Hilux and that's saying something. Sure its has creature comforts but it probably has three times the pulling power and payload of the old compact Ranger. Call it a car all you want. 7500 lb towing is no joke. Driving in 800 ml of water is also not very car like (I've done it in Nadi Fiji during a flood). If you like ugly just order a basic XL model with steel wheels. They also make it in extra cab and just two door 2WD 4WD, short and long bed, 2.2 diesel, 3.2 diesel (5 cylinder) and gas engines. Its just my choice to have 4 doors so I can transport more people in Fiji and having the money to afford XLT trim so I can have a decent stereo, back up camera, BT etc.. They have it in all flavors... except in the US. Sold in 180 countries with huge success.

I think you have this truck confused with the Ford Explorer truck (sport trac) that was based on a car chassis and truly was a POS. Although, it was popular when produced I have no idea why. Most likely the US will see even far worse with some kind of unibody compact truck in 2016 that might be able to haul a big screen TV on a nice tar sealed road. Although for 80 percent of Ranger owners, that would probably be enough. Most just get stuff from home depot but a Unibody POS would buckle if you put a ton of gravel or cement blocks in the bed. With the global Ranger, you would hardly notice a ton of gravel in the bed (especially with the torque of the 5 cylinder diesel) being it has a 2,954-pound payload capacity. Again, not very car like.
I don't think anybody was talking about the physical capabilities, but rather the styling and proportions (or at least I am). Of course it can tow more than the old Ranger, it's bigger and newer and a truck frame. But it looks too big/bubbly and car-like, which I think was the complaint you were responding to.

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Ok, it seems most people on this forum want something like the old Ranger. Here is a single cab and supercab, with 5 cylinder 3.2 diesel. Now with a lift kit and some big tires this may satisfy some.
The regular cab is always a nicer looking version imo, but the front end and overall shape is less truck-like than the old Ranger when I look at it. Putting on bigger tires doesn't fix that for me
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I'm thinking the front end shape has more to do with wind tunnel testing for less drag. It has a steeper rake on the windshield as well. Some of these new rangers get close to 30 MPG. The look may be more for function then style. Even with all the ecoboost on the F-150 the average MPG is still only 16. The old ranger maybe got 24 at best. This truck with more power and capabilities gets higher MPG. That's quite an achievement being this thing is mid size borderline full size truck against the old ranger that was compact size.
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I'm thinking the front end shape has more to do with wind tunnel testing for less drag. It has a steeper rake on the windshield as well. Some of these new rangers get close to 30 MPG. The look may be more for function then style. Even with all the ecoboost on the F-150 the average MPG is still only 16. The old ranger maybe got 24 at best. This truck with more power and capabilities gets higher MPG. That's quite an achievement being this thing is mid size borderline full size truck against the old ranger that was compact size.
I think we all know it was styled more like a car for mpg, it's just not a tradeoff I'd like to make for a couple mpg (it sounds like you're not disagreeing about what the styling is). Also, just to be fair, the old Ranger in 4 cylinder manual form was rated at 27 mpg on the highway, with an engine from 2001 (and a truck shape). Same with S10's from the late 90's. If the new Ranger and Colorado don't get at least 30 in 4 cylinder mode, some will probably be expecting better.

Instead of making trucks bigger and bragging about getting the same mpg, I wish someone would keep the truck the same size and actually get better mpg.

Sorry to keep bumping this thread when we're probably rehasing the same points. I just wanted to make my perspective clear and I'll move on. And again, I'm not hating your truck HiDesert. It's a good truck I'm sure, but just doesn't fill the same niche as the old Ranger for some people.
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I have to agree with you that thing is extremely ugly. The pre 2011 rangers were not as rounded over and had more of a squared off "boxy" style body. To me that is what made the ranger look so good. Ford Motor company needs to reopen their ranger production plant and bring back the pre 2011 ranger. They should also consider 4 door rangers in the states but make sure they look like a pre 2011 ranger and not this rounded over crap like overseas. Just my opinion.
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One leak I heard from Ford is a compact that only handle a 1k pound load and tow only 3k lbs to be released sometime 15/16. Whether its a unibody car or truck chassis I don't know. But with specs that low, probably unibody. Now the global ford can handle loads over 3k pounds and 7.5k towing. Be careful what you ask for. I think you will be even more disappointed with what Ford has in mind.

Personally, when I go back to the states I would buy the old Ranger but it needs the updated engines that are found overseas. I would love a old ranger with the 2.2 ecoboost diesel. I would want a updated interior as well. One thing they did not update in 18 years was the interior of the old Ranger. I would want all the updates NAV, BT etc.. As well as more comfortable seating. The 2011 Ranger has the identical interior as the 1993. Keep the square look ok but modernize it some. But it will never happen. The US will get the worst Ranger replacement with a unibody POS. Ford does not want anything to remotely cut into F-150 sales. Most likely a unibody POS for hauling big screen TV's. Every rumor I hear points to a compact and not a mid size. The Global Ranger will never make it to North America which is too bad because believe me, plenty of people want just that. Just check out the socialford.com web site. But I respect everyone's feelings about the old Ranger. I too might even buy one but not the aging one that had the SOHC engine. Its got to be updated. To say you really want something that old tech does not make sense. But I realize they are easy to work on and know that is why folks want the exact old Ranger. Its just never going to happen. I know Ford hated that plant and wanted to close it for years and wanted to end that union as well. Sales continued so they keep it around longer then they wanted. The plant is gone now in Minn. The tooling is also gone. Its over. That model is dead forever you better believe it.

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Ewwwwww. Looks like a Frontier banged an Edge.
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So looking at the old Ranger specs it got over 2k lbs load and over 5k pounds towing. Now if the new Rangers specs for US is truly only 1K lbs load and 3K tow this sounds like a souped up VW Rabbit truck I'm afraid to say.

Read this link from what marketing manager Doug Scott from Ford says, Ford Confirms US Compact Pickup, Hints Redesigned Ranger

People on this forum are going to be pissed. Even the old 2.3 Ranger had more then double the load capacity of something this weak. Forget the picture on the article, that's the global ford that has triple the specs they are talking about in article. Not sure why they posted that picture other then they have not shown any prototype yet. But my Ford dealer in Albuquerque confirmed that a small compact was in the works. Unfortunately, its not something that fans of the old design will likely like.

At this point, I would like to hear what people have heard what the US might get? Don't worry if you don't like the Global Ford. I'm positive Ford has no plans to bring it in even though it enjoys great success in all markets its available. Its too close in size and price to the F-150. I would at least like to see some of its diesels make it state side. But I hear Ford will make a small 2.7 diesel for F-150. That would be a great engine for a Ranger as well. None of this will probably materialize. I think the 2.2 overseas diesel would be perfect for a new US based Ranger. That would have the power of the old 4.0 and hit 30MPG if not more.

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the new ford ranger cost just as much and some can cost more than the new f150 about 32,000 us dollers for the new ranger and ford would have to bulid a plant here to make them cheap enof for us to get them and it would hurt the sells of the best selling truck in the world so it would be dumb on there part they would lose money doing that and buliding a new plant and so on and so fourth
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the new ford ranger cost just as much and some can cost more than the new f150 about 32,000 us dollers for the new ranger and ford would have to bulid a plant here to make them cheap enof for us to get them and it would hurt the sells of the best selling truck in the world so it would be dumb on there part they would lose money doing that and buliding a new plant and so on and so fourth
Actually the Ranger built in South Africa is exempt from the 20 % import tax but the cost of transport would be high. The vehicle costs too much as it is. I've seen some bare bones single cab Rangers in Fiji that must cost considerably less with steel wheels, 2WD, etc.. I'm sure something like that would cost maybe 20K in the US. They can make these cheaper for sure. They look really small compared to the lifted up 4 door models.
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My opinion, all the "new" Rangers are waaay overpriced. I mean this in the best way possible, don't be scared of a full-size. Once you have one, you will never even think about a Ranger again.
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My opinion, all the "new" Rangers are waaay overpriced. I mean this in the best way possible, don't be scared of a full-size. Once you have one, you will never even think about a Ranger again.
But on average, people only get 16 mpg on a F-150. I can afford the gas but it seems unreal in this day of age to have a guzzler like that. But the Global Ranger feels almost full size to me. I probably would have bought a Toyota Hilux but the damn thing cost 100k (FJD) in Fiji. You get so much more for your money with the Ford. It destroys the Hilux for performance and fuel economy. I drove with a friend the other day that owns a Hilux and it really feels right for size. Very nice truck. And Toyota knows it and charges allot. You see allot more Ford's being sold now then the Hilux. Toyota can't be very happy about that. I'd buy a hilux in the states if they offered it in 1 second flat.

But at this point in the US the Full size Ford is the way to go being the Frontier is horribly dated and sucks gas and the Tacoma gets horrid gas mileage as well and has become damn ugly IMO. Almost as bad as the Full size Ford so your right, if one has to buy new in the States, there is little options and the Full size Ford is 1st choice. I'd much rather like to choose between the Mitsubishi L200, Hilux, Ranger and Nissan Navara in the US but that choice is for everyone else except North America.

We probably won't get a "real mid size" Ford truck in the US. What they will do instead is shed 700 lbs of steel for aluminum panels and drop a 2.7 gas ecoboost and try to increase MPG that way. I've heard mixed things about Ford's gas ecoboost engines and many people have issues with them and they don' delivery very good gas mileage and in many cases, their gas mileage gets worst with time with little that Ford can do to diagnose issues. In fact, I've heard so many horror stories about their gas ecoboost that if I bought a F-150 I'd just get the V8 and take the hit for less MPG. But in some cases, there is no hit being the V8 gets about the same as the ecoboost for some owners. One thing to note is the Ford Transit in the US will receive the overseas 3.2 ecoboost diesel (ranger). So there is still hope.

As far as driving a F-150 and never going back, your wrong. As long as I live anything I buy must have MPG's in the high 20's. I already traded in my Frontier in the US for a Sentra. 17 mpg was pissing me off on that truck. The sentra averages just over 32 mpg. I use my pathfinder to haul.. and yes, it sucks gas with its 4.0 engine but I rarely use it. I want to buy a new truck in the US when I get back but there are zero options at this point. I just don't want to waste non renewable resources. Yes, once it burns, it turns to carbon. And that is a one way reaction. The rest of the world gets it. But the US still builds gas guzzler monsters even though we all know many have died fighting wars over energy. Our Government should do more to encourage US automakers to do the right thing. Sure, they tweaked, shut down cylinders, added computer management fuel systems etc.. But its not enough. Sure you might get 22 mpg on a big ford driving 60 MPH on a straight road with no wind. Not good enough. Believe me, once to take it to 70 MPH, nobody gets near the reported MPG that ford claims on their big trucks. You have to drive them with a very very light foot just to gain a couple MPG's at best.

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Here is one design proposal for the US. Start worrying. A souped up Falcon. Ford will probably open up a totally new segment then to jeopardize or cannibalize F-150 sales. Front wheel drive of course.

Future Cars: Drafting a Modern Light-Duty Pickup Truck for Ford - Carscoops
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OK Let me settle the price difference if Ford was to bring back the Ranger. You might pay up to $30,000.00 for a Ranger but it would be fully loaded and have 4 wheel drive. I'm talking power locks, power windows, all the bells and whistles. If you buy a new F-150 for $30,000.00 after taxes it won't have all the bells and whistles and will not be 4 wheel drive. And if they do come back with a Ford Ranger in the US a base model could start around $15,000.00 to $17,000.00. That is why the pre 2011 Ford Ranger style is wanted and needed back in the US. Thanks.
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If you buy a new F-150 for $30,000.00 after taxes it won't have all the bells and whistles and will not be 4 wheel drive. And if
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and i average 20MPG in my 2014 F150.....
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its still uglier than all hell. I highly doubt it would sell well at all here due to its looks. not an american loolking truck. If they changed the body, sure. id be all for it. but id never set foot in any of these ugly *** overseas midsize trucks.
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and i average 20MPG in my 2014 F150.....

To be fair, $30,210 only gets you a base STX extended cab with no other options (open diff, 4x2). Just priced it on Ford's site. Also to your point, I can average 25 mpg in my ext cab that has an engine design from the Pinto.

But the point of what people like HiDesert and Ross's Ranger are saying is that $35-40k and teens mpg shouldn't be the price of entry for a Ford truck today. And as good as the F-150 is, it just doesn't fit everyone's needs. Sometimes a smaller truck is more practical.
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we are talking 4wd 4.0 ranger form not the 4cyl variant

you also have to consider the rebates that ford offers on the F-series...people getting anywhere from 4-10k off sticker price


not trying to start a pissing match here lol just a discussion
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we are talking 4wd 4.0 ranger form not the 4cyl variant

but what you also arent taking into consideration are the rebates that ford offers on the F-series...people getting anywhere from 4-10k off sticker price
Nobody in the recent posts mentioned only talking about the 4.0, and the thread title does not mention a displacement. Talking about the 4 cylinder versions is valid to the points made recently, especially when you consider how old that motor is and how much better a modern 4 could do in that size truck with a 6-spd. The fact that you dismissed the 4 cyl from the argument means you must agree with that point, correct?

I am taking that into consideration, even so you're still talking over $30k. Remember, the higher discounts usually come on the more loaded models. Lets just say you were able to get a near-base truck to a little under $30k. That's still a lot more than what a base or near-base small truck could go for. Like I said, $30k should not be the price of entry for a truck. Again, all things aside, that's the overall point. No "pissing match" here either
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oh i do agree to that point..if ford put one of the eco 4cyls in it could be excellent on gas but those motors arent exactly cheap
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oh i do agree to that point..if ford put one of the eco 4cyls in it could be excellent on gas but those motors arent exactly cheap
Sure, but I'm thinking even a n/a modern 4 would probably do just about as well with a little less umfph and cheaper.
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Sure, but I'm thinking even a n/a modern 4 would probably do just about as well with a little less umfph and cheaper.
yea that it could if they put the 2.5 in it
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Have to agree with Red Rider on this one. You can't tell me Ford can't make a new base model Ranger with a better more fuel efficient 6 cylinder engine for under 20k. If you can make an ecoboost for a F-150 you could put that technology to use in a Ranger engine. I think Ford has realized that they screwed up by getting out of the compact truck market, that is why you here talks about a F-100 or some other small truck. What ever ford does it won't be an American looking truck like the pre 2011 Ranger and in my opinion these overseas Rangers aren't Rangers. I have owned two Ranger in my life. My first one was a 2010 XL with a camper top and it got totaled. I looked at an overseas Ranger because it was after 2011 when it got totaled. Hated the look and price so bad that I settled on my current Ranger which is a 2008 XLT 4x4. Bottom line is that Ford screwed up BIG TIME!
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