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as for the SOHC, id put a Briggs and Stratton in my truck before id own one of those turds
?!?!?!?

I'll give you mine to play with for just 5 minutes the way I let RednekStone check it out. You will change your mind very quickly.
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What's wrong with the SOHC? Jealous of the torque and horsepower output?
Something to realize about the whole pull.

As Rich stated, The first one to gain forward momentum has a great advantage. The one whom has better grip will also have a great advantage. TIRES can make a HUGE difference.

A pushrod engine will make more torque ' Down low ' in the RPM band. *MY* engine doesn't start picking up until 3000-3200 rpm's but it goes strong to 6500. That little 3.0 will start its power curve somewhere below 2000-1750rpm's. Thats a HUGE powerband difference. If the pushrod engine and OHC engine rev-up at the same speeds, the pushrod engine will have its power before the OHC engine.
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i can tell you never have driven a OHV 4.0L low end just ***** it has.. its known for it...

SOHC having to SCREAM to make power just like any top cam motor.. no thanks.. timing chains timing chains timing chains.... < there i said it...

I'll take my good old push rod motor...
Wanna trade? Mine for yours?
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I'm not starting a pissing match I just don't see how the SOHC is a bad motor.
Honestly.. Pushrods beat cammers for Torque. Torque is the real factor of it all. ' Useable energy ' or ' real energy '. ' Horsepower ' is nothing more then a mathematical equation.

Did you ever see that rice companies NEVER show how much Torque their engines DONNT produce compared to a Chevy V8 or an American Pushrod based engine? They sure talked about ' Horsepower ' which trucks really don't need.

If you were to go to a track and race 2 autos.. one has 100hp/500lbft and the other had 500hp/100lbft, who would you put your money on?

The same applies with off-roading, towing..

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Yes the timing chains are a problem but guess what, I didn't design it. And I don't consider 3000 RPM screaming. If the 3.0 was such a good motor then why was it phased out?
The 3.0 engine was replaced by a ' world ' type of engine. One more universal. Its NOT a bad motor. I would say for reliability, its better then the SOHC. Its a simple, time proven concept compared to a mechanically more intricate engine. The less moving parts, the more efficient an engine CAN be.

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Oh and you showed the driver what's up not the engine. A similar equipped 4.0 would have dragged you across town.
I wouldn't go as far as saying such. Sure.. if we could put the SAME driver in 2 autos at once, we could have a definite scientifical answer.
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?!?!?!?

I'll give you mine to play with for just 5 minutes the way I let RednekStone check it out. You will change your mind very quickly.
I have respect for your truck D. but how many motors have you gone threw?


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Wanna trade? Mine for yours?
LOL no not as a daily driver

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If the 3.0 was such a good motor then why was it phased out?
like D was trying to explain, there is a new motor being the 3.5L which is what they are going to be using. the 4.0L should be gone next year or tops year after it was slated to die when the ranger did but they keep pushing it back..

the 3.5L is able to be sleeved like the new boss motors. its capable of 3.0L which is being worked on now.. then the normal 3.5L, a 3.5L direct injection, then the 3.7L twin turbo

its all the same motor... now a days its all about money so they can keep the same block just re-sleeve it for what they need
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I would take a 4.0 OHV over a 3.0, but i do like the high rpm power band the 3.0 has that the 4.0 lacks, reguardless the 4.0 has alot more power. as for the SOHC, id put a Briggs and Stratton in my truck before id own one of those turds
oh come on Justin, the SOHC is not that bad of an engine.

I am not saying the 3.0L is a crappy motor at all or even the 4.0 OHV engine but you cant rag on the SOHC, its been around for some time with little issues.

Some say timing chains but I dont see people breaking them on here? Or complaining about them like crazy.


I dont have much of an issue spinning my 37s if I want to.
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also to the OP, im not bagging on ur truck. just saying u had an advantage over him that is why u won. that is why in sled pulls all hitches need to be within x amount distance to keep things equal.
they have different classes for that but I agree, it did help him. But it wasnt about what was better or worse setup.

it was setup vs setup, they guy fully knew what was going on and he was an idiot for saying he would win. Justin showed him up.
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oh come on Justin, the SOHC is not that bad of an engine.

I am not saying the 3.0L is a crappy motor at all or even the 4.0 OHV engine but you cant rag on the SOHC, its been around for some time with little issues.

Some say timing chains but I dont see people breaking them on here? Or complaining about them like crazy.


I dont have much of an issue spinning my 37s if I want to.
a properly maintained SOHC will do good great for a long while..

Take Grants truck for instance Hazzardjohn old truck it have about 75k on it and the motor sounded like it wanted to die..

plus there is the fact alot of people dont know what there hearing in the engine bay... for instance my motor the OHV i honest dont think was taken very well care of. the valve train is a little more noisy then i would like it personally. and looking at all the engine oil changes receipts i got with the truck one time they use 5w30 like it supposed to be next is 10w40 then "bulk oil" then 5w20..

i am not as happy with this motor as i was say the orange splash motor and it had more miles..

its more i personally would rather rebuild a push rod motor then a SOHC there just a pain in the ***..

its not just, Justin and I that rag on OHC motors. if you read like muscle mustang mags tons and tons prefer push rod 5.0L over 4.6L modular style. its a old school vs new school thing..

you have the old minded people that dont want to except the change then you have the newer minded crowd that loves it...

just like D said here what does he keep building Modular style motors but what he just posted the the push rod have difference style advantage its all in what you want..

i know i seem to rag on the SOHC motor alot. its just i wanted t-bar suspension truck and i have the option of a OHV or SOHC for 4.0L in the truck i wanted.. so.. i weighed the benefits "normally" OHV motors live better with higher miles then SOHC motors do being the truck i could afford cant be "new" or lower miles i'll take the OHV style which "normally" will last longer with out as many problems..

now who says my motor wont blow up tomorrow it could happen it would suck but its the risk you take...
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congrats on the win dude. a guy at work with a chevy van keeps running his mouth, i might use your idea to shut him up.
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they have different classes for that but I agree, it did help him. But it wasnt about what was better or worse setup.

it was setup vs setup, they guy fully knew what was going on and he was an idiot for saying he would win. Justin showed him up.
exactly.. he said in the form his truck was in it would "Drag justins truck all around the parking lot" this guy i have had the crappy opportunity of meeting he is an "i am better then you" kinda attitude.. i always have something better then you kinda guy
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wider tires gives less traction on asphalt thats more weight spread out so less traction if the other guy had like 28x40 he would lose for sure.
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Something to realize about the whole pull.

As Rich stated, The first one to gain forward momentum has a great advantage. The one whom has better grip will also have a great advantage. TIRES can make a HUGE difference.

A pushrod engine will make more torque ' Down low ' in the RPM band. *MY* engine doesn't start picking up until 3000-3200 rpm's but it goes strong to 6500. That little 3.0 will start its power curve somewhere below 2000-1750rpm's. Thats a HUGE powerband difference. If the pushrod engine and OHC engine rev-up at the same speeds, the pushrod engine will have its power before the OHC engine.
Cam profile has a lot more to do with power band than push rod vs OHC. There are plenty of push rod motors that dont make power until 4,000 RPM and there are OHC motors that make power down low.

OHC motors can spin to higher RPM's with out valve float or other valve train issues and because you make more power at higher RPM's with the same amount of torque (power is a factor of torque over time), the engine is designed to have a higher power band. Power can always be geared down for more torque (power stays constant). You can never gear a transmission for more power.

Thus an OHC 4.0 will have plenty of road pep with the higher, more useful power band but when you need to dig deep and pull you would put it in 4 lo giving yourself more torque while still using the same power band.
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Pull offs prove nothing about the trucks, but congrats on the win
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Pull offs prove nothing about the trucks, but congrats on the win
Prolly...
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D., you are the SOHC god, and your truck is proof. You and Rich have the only trucks that are the exception to my stubbornness about SOHC motors. Beards seems to be holding up quite well also. Grants on the other hand.....that deserves its own thread

As long as a SOHC is properly maintained, it is a great motor. Where i used to work, we saw all the neglected 7500+ oil change motors. In the almost 2 years i worked there, i did atleast 20 sets of 4.0 SOHC cam chains, about 1 per month. They arent terrible motors, i just dont care for them, like i dont care for the 4.6 or 5.4.

Pull off's dont prove performance, off road capabilities, horsepower, but they do prove traction. It really doesnt matter what they prove, all that matters is he is done talking smack, and the class as a whole says they have earned alot more respect for my ranger.
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Next time challenge him to a dirt pull in 4wd. :D
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Justin text messaged me this right after it happened!

i am impressed!

i asked him if he wanted to hook up to my bumper lol.
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D., you are the SOHC god, and your truck is proof. You and Rich have the only trucks that are the exception to my stubbornness about SOHC motors. Beards seems to be holding up quite well also. Grants on the other hand.....that deserves its own thread

As long as a SOHC is properly maintained, it is a great motor. Where i used to work, we saw all the neglected 7500+ oil change motors. In the almost 2 years i worked there, i did atleast 20 sets of 4.0 SOHC cam chains, about 1 per month. They arent terrible motors, i just dont care for them, like i dont care for the 4.6 or 5.4.

Pull off's dont prove performance, off road capabilities, horsepower, but they do prove traction. It really doesnt matter what they prove, all that matters is he is done talking smack, and the class as a whole says they have earned alot more respect for my ranger.


Sounds like someone needs to hitch bumpers with you and knock you off your horse now too
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D., you are the SOHC god, and your truck is proof. You and Rich have the only trucks that are the exception to my stubbornness about SOHC motors. Beards seems to be holding up quite well also. Grants on the other hand.....that deserves its own thread

As long as a SOHC is properly maintained, it is a great motor. Where i used to work, we saw all the neglected 7500+ oil change motors. In the almost 2 years i worked there, i did atleast 20 sets of 4.0 SOHC cam chains, about 1 per month. They arent terrible motors, i just dont care for them, like i dont care for the 4.6 or 5.4.

Pull off's dont prove performance, off road capabilities, horsepower, but they do prove traction. It really doesnt matter what they prove, all that matters is he is done talking smack, and the class as a whole says they have earned alot more respect for my ranger.

D is on his like 9th SOHC.

My dad is on his 2nd 4.6L

but I still like the 4.0, probably next on one of those replacements.
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I just want to hook up to his bumper for something fun to do, even if I do lose. LOL

I dont like doing it on dirt, I hate stone chips, been there done that.
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I just want to hook up to his bumper for something fun to do, even if I do lose. LOL

I dont like doing it on dirt, I hate stone chips, been there done that.


Your truck would tow the a**hole out of an elephant with those tires and axles now the added power...ide like to see that!
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next ranger / b will be a 3.0 unless i can afford an 02+ with the 2.3 .... everybody is pulling the same gas miles if not better than my 2.5 with em
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ahahahha cool thread!
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what a way to shut him up
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as for the SOHC, id put a Briggs and Stratton in my truck before id own one of those turds
Ok now thats a real dumb comment.
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