Connecting Rod Broken - Page 2 - Ranger-Forums - The Ultimate Ford Ranger Resource


General Ford Ranger Discussion General discussion of the Ford Ranger that does not fit in any other sub-forum.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #26  
Old 06-19-2008
t_schloesser's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 739
the whole thing started from him trying to install my jet performance module on the back of his ecu. and when he tried to start it, the alternator started to click (same as mine). so he replaced his battery to upgrade to an optimum (same as mine) and it wanted to turn over. the way the chip works is by changing the timing of the sparks and what-not. so it HAS to be electrically- thus the anti-theft light. it has nothing to do with the engine locking up, UNLESS the truck has a "self-destruct" mechanism.

Last edited by t_schloesser; 06-19-2008 at 11:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-19-2008
CrazyAznEdge's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tampa, Orlando
Posts: 433
if it has a self destruct mechanism.. then f*ck my life lol but thanks ricky let me know if you think of anything..right now its just gonna chill in the parking lot unless there are any other ideas you guys can come up with that i can check myself.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-19-2008
zabeard's Avatar
who?
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: IN
Posts: 26,045
you took the chip off right? its gone?

with a chip it is extremely easy to burn up your pcm.

if you only have 1 key and that last key took a crap they are going to charge a crap load to get your pats working again, it will have to reprogrammed. it says in the book to always have two keys that way if one fails you have a backup.

I lost one and went to get another and it was 100 bucks for a new key and reprogram.

so now it does not turn over at all? i would find a junk yard for an 02 pcm, not sure if you can swap them out but that would be something to try. id say the pcm is hosed.

how would the engine lock up? you never heard any noises right?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-19-2008
D.
Unregistered User
 
Posts: n/a
This HAS to be PATS related.

Get a 1 inch socket and a breaker bar, make sure your engine is not seized by turning the harmonic balancer ( crank pulley ) by hand.

You can reprogram a key yourself. Griggs posted how to do it a while back ( Maybe Rwenzing did? ). Something like taking a blank key, putting it in the ignition, turning it to the run position then back again a few times or something.. you CAN do it on your own.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06-19-2008
CrazyAznEdge's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tampa, Orlando
Posts: 433
the chip is off and the truck I bought at the auction and came with only one key. The truck wants to turn over, but the anti theft system which I think it is, is stopping it. All the lights, radio, dash work just fine it just wont let me start. It sounds like the engine is stuck when i try to start it.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 06-19-2008
CrazyAznEdge's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tampa, Orlando
Posts: 433
im not good with part names and what they look like, can ya give me a hint on what the harmonic balancer looks like lol?

Last edited by CrazyAznEdge; 06-19-2008 at 11:07 PM. Reason: change part name
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 06-19-2008
whippersnapper02's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Posts: 7,415
Quote:
Originally Posted by D. View Post
This HAS to be PATS related.

You can reprogram a key yourself. Griggs posted how to do it a while back ( Maybe Rwenzing did? ). Something like taking a blank key, putting it in the ignition, turning it to the run position then back again a few times or something.. you CAN do it on your own.
The PATS trick only works if you have the two original keys. The procedure just lets you use more keys after you have done the procedure to make them "friendly" keys. If he only has one original key then it has to be reprogrammed at the dealer.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 06-19-2008
whippersnapper02's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Posts: 7,415


Sorry for the big pic.

******This is not your engine, It's just a picture of an engine.*********

See that big black thing in the front of the engine with all the belts going to it? Well that is the crank pulley/harmonic balancer. There is a big bolt in the center. Take a breaker bar and socket and spin it. If it moves then your engine is not locked up. You will be able to turn the engine with no problem with a big enough bar.

Last edited by whippersnapper02; 06-19-2008 at 11:58 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 06-19-2008
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 647
This is on an 05 right? I thought this is the only year Ranger that DOESN'T have a pats system. I know my 05 just has a normal key (no chip).
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-19-2008
badboyzkustumz's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: sacramento CA
Posts: 64
the theft system no start is a no fuel on start. because of the fuel return system the newer rangers use there isnt enough fuel present to start without turning on the pump. the pump turns on once the key hits the ON position and the theft system has been turned off. ever notice why your engine takes a second to start? if the theft system is locked on you will not have enough fuel to start the truck, period. IF there is a bad connecting rod it does NOT need to have a full tear down of the motor. all you do is pull the oil pan. the crank, rods, pistons, bearings are all visible. anyone who tells you that they have to pull the motor completely apart is dumb. if you get power to the lights, radio and such when you insert your key than you are able to use the OBD2 scan tool to check for problems. ford has a 100+ point diagnostic check points. anyone with a scanner can see what their car is doing. anyone with a good scanner can make the car do what they want (SNAPON MODIS FTW). to conclude, that TECH, not the dealership, is wrong. go to autozone and borrow an obd2 scanner. its free. hook it up and post the codes on here and i can help you a little more.

steve
Ford F.A.C.T. certified. UTI grad, ASE engine builder
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 06-20-2008
06fx4 L2's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SO CAL
Posts: 430
Sounds fishy to me, it deosnt take 2 weeks for water to get from the puddle you went through to the piston. and steve is correct if the ign turns on then you can talk to the truck and if you caint talk to the truck then he needs to diag that.. hes hoping you will get scared off by the price and he wont have to diag your electrical problem.

at least from here where i sit thats what it sounds like

JOSH
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-20-2008
jrpro130's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,057
I am going with zack and saying your PCM is fried.

Make sure you burn that JET chip and never see it again.

I'm willing to bet your PCM is burned and along with that your PATS is thinking someone tried to hotwire
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-20-2008
CrazyAznEdge's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tampa, Orlando
Posts: 433
My truck is an 02, and should I go borrow a scanner to check it out? will it even let me get any codes if the computer is fried?
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-20-2008
mx98ranger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: GA
Posts: 1,493
turn the key to run. the scanner will still pull codes with the engine not running. its worth a shot. your motor more than likely is not messed up. have you tested your starter?

(id rather use a snap on brick than a modis)

Last edited by mx98ranger; 06-20-2008 at 11:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-20-2008
jrpro130's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,057
Try and get your hands on a "GOOD" reader (snap-on, mac, etc), and turn the key to run, and pull the codes. Thats the only way you will really know whats going on.

Hopefully you can do that, and let us all know what the codes are and we can go from there.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 06-20-2008
badboyzkustumz's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: sacramento CA
Posts: 64


the modis is made by snapon. it does everything you can think of and then some.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 06-21-2008
mx98ranger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: GA
Posts: 1,493
but for the money it should come with its own set of *****
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 06-21-2008
Jp7's Avatar
Jp7 Jp7 is offline
Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: My LED lab or on the dyno
Posts: 2,970
for 6K$ you could swap in a better engine
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 06-21-2008
Hayn Time
Unregistered User
 
Posts: n/a
Bad rods normally emit a knock (especially if the big end bearings are bad) that is highly visible (audible). Bad rods also have the proclivaty (likelihood) of finding their way out of the engine by means of intense force (punching through the cylinder wall). Signs of a bad rod/piston can include reduced compression, knocking, ovalling of the cylinder wall, burning oil, detonation and whole host of other probs. If you have taken care of your engine (oil changes etc) I highly doubt that you have a bent rod, worn or damaged big end bearings or worn wrist pins. Sounds like a PCM issue. If you need to get a new/used PCM, find out which series matches your vehicle (you can get the info from either the dealership or a parts recycler). I believe that there were 10,000 or so vehicles to each series of PCM per similar model (e.g. 3.0 auto, 3.0 manual, 4.0 auto, 4.0 manual etc). Once you get this info, then you can start hunting for a used unit. If you want to get the bottom of it, best advice is to go and get a code reader and pull the codes.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Broken Temperature Gauge = Broken Engine? TomJones General Technical & Electrical 7 12-19-2014 05:25 PM
Joined the Hydrolock Club: one cylinder filled and presumed broken connecting rod n3elz General Ford Ranger Discussion 55 05-30-2008 01:41 PM
Buggy's broken tie rod.....full roll of electrical tape, wrench, pliers....w/pics Alon Snapshots 26 04-29-2008 05:14 AM
connecting my radio to my laptop for MP3's FMD General Ford Ranger Discussion 12 02-28-2006 12:19 AM
how to: Connecting TWO JL Audio amps? Lumadar Audio & Video Tech 1 06-15-2005 06:00 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:21 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.