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I'm also of the opinion that a Ford should stick with Ford, but that's just me. That would be pretty badass to see a LS1 in a Ranger though! -Mike-
I dunno, I have a Mazda badged Ranger with a Mazda engine and trans. Before this I had a stock 1990 F250 with an International diesel engine... Parts of my new truck are made all over the world--the horn has a stamp on it that it's made in India. What's a Ford? Put the engine in you want. Whatever turns your crank!
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I dunno, I have a Mazda badged Ranger with a Mazda engine and trans. Before this I had a stock 1990 F250 with an International diesel engine... Parts of my new truck are made all over the world--the horn has a stamp on it that it's made in India. What's a Ford anymore? Put the engine in you want. Whatever turns your crank!
you don't have a Mazada (which is owned by Ford) badged Ranger.....the only thing that is simular from Mazada to a Ranger is the interior....

Further more, Ford doesn't make a diesel engine theirselves.....so they contract with International to make their diesel engines; kinda like how Dodge contracts with Cummins and Chevy with whoever makes the Duramax (it isn't Chevy)........90% of parts on every manufactures vehicles are made/stamped/produced by outside companies that have contracts to build the parts.....then the automakers assemble the parts together to make a vehicle....that is the same with EVERY other manufacture industry in the WORLD......someone else makes the parts/pieces in the product and that company puts them together to for a different piece.....

A Chevy engine isn't designed to go into a Ford......yes, it takes some custome work (some ****ty and some nice), and the only reason that most people do it is to take the cheap way out.....IMO the proper way to build a car, truck, or whatever is to use an engine that was found in the same brand (ie: 302 in a Ranger, LSx in a S-10, etc.)......
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I don't see where BRAND has anything to do with it. Ok so when manufactured it's FORD's vehicle and they contract out to another manufacturer for parts. Now that it is your vehicle on a smaller scale assembly, you contract out ( metaphorically). Metal is Metal and wire is wire. Just because politics drove one company such as Ford to contract with a certain company doesn't mean there is some unwritten law that means you can't cross over.

Think of it as a collaboration. Anyway they are both American made, it's not like you are putting a Suzuki engine in or something.

You say LS1's are the cheap way out, I say the 302 is the easy ( "bolt-on") way out.
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While that is real nostalgic to keep all ford. In reality, it makes little sense. YEs a 5.0 is a drop in with a lot of wiring, but whe you are done you will have a Whopping 215 HP and 288 Ft/lbs of torque. Hardly enough to justify the swap from a 4.0 IMO. Now an LS1 wich weighs less, and is smaller in overall dimensions allowing for decent header clearance, is in stock form 310HP with 340 Ft/lbs of torque and will embarass a 5.0 in Gas mileage. Now a 5.0 in an explorer gets like 16 MPG averaged, and if you build that 5.0 to = an LS1 in numbers it won't be even close to that, probably more like 10. So well nostalgia might be great it is something you need to let go if you have intentions of having the ultimate vehicle.

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A Chevy engine isn't designed to go into a Ford......yes, it takes some custome work (some ****ty and some nice), and the only reason that most people do it is to take the cheap way out.....IMO the proper way to build a car, truck, or whatever is to use an engine that was found in the same brand (ie: 302 in a Ranger, LSx in a S-10, etc.)......
See... that doesn't make any sense to me at all. Now granted you said it was your opinion and everyone is entitled to one, so I fully understand that. But a 302 was never meant to go in a Ranger. Ford never did it, so either way your doing something custom. And if your to customize your truck, do it the way you want.

Yes I realized a Explorer 5.0 is damn near bolt-in as it's the same stylings, but that's besides the point. I mean by your logic me if I had a Ford 460 and a SBC 350, it would be more logical to put in the 460 simply because it was in a Ford at one point despite the fact the SBC would much easier and cheaper to fit in there. I'm sure you see where I'm coming from.

I'd say build it the way you want and be happy with it regardless of how other people look at it. Either way it'd be a **** truck.
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a 302 gas milage in an Explorer vs. 302 gas milage in a Ranger is 2 different ball parks....i would bet it would be more fuel efficant in a Ranger than an Explorer......

in a streetable/daily driver truck a LS1 is not a practical option....where a 5.0/302 is....

not just will you have MAJOR wiring problems with the LS1 (becuase there will be NO computer that will be compatable with any of the Rangers wiring), but you will have a hell of a time mounting the engine in the bay......

I just don't like crossing over with engines.....if i see an old car that i like at first glance and it has a different manufactures engine in it, i don't like it anymore.....plane and simple.......

it is kinda like a hot woman with an ugly face....
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I'd say build it the way you want and be happy with it regardless of how other people look at it. Either way it'd be a **** truck.
that would work, but when someone says they don't like it because "....", you know as well as me that everybody would be up in arms about it....all you would hear is how that person who don't like it is an idiot because they don't like it...
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i would put a 427 im mine screw the small blocks

but since you asked i would go wit teh 350
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how about a ford Gt engine in the bed?
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a 302 gas milage in an Explorer vs. 302 gas milage in a Ranger is 2 different ball parks....i would bet it would be more fuel efficant in a Ranger than an Explorer......

in a streetable/daily driver truck a LS1 is not a practical option....where a 5.0/302 is....

not just will you have MAJOR wiring problems with the LS1 (becuase there will be NO computer that will be compatable with any of the Rangers wiring), but you will have a hell of a time mounting the engine in the bay......
Are you serious? Their are plenty of manufacturers that make wiring harness's for the motor to be swapped into any car for fairly cheap. Also a 5.0 more streetable than an LS1? You have no clue as to what you are talking about. The LS1 in a Corvette will get 28 mpg and run 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. I have personally been in a Trans am with an LS1 that got 31 MPG on a road trip. They are quiet, and have good idle quality, and are extremely reliable, all while making mounds of HP. They are the best american motors ever made that are obtainable to the common man. There is no 5.0 in the world that could do that. Now in an S10 it will still get high teens in town and mid 20's on the highway, with well over 100 horse over a 5.0. The only problem you are going to run into is you'll need custom motor mounts and you might have to use a truck oil pan. But with custom applications that is the way it goes.

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Are you serious? Their are plenty of manufacturers that make wiring harness's for the motor to be swapped into any car for fairly cheap. Also a 5.0 more streetable than an LS1? You have no clue as to what you are talking about. The LS1 in a Corvette will get 28 mpg and run 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. I have personally been in a Trans am with an LS1 that got 31 MPG on a road trip. There is no 5.0 in the world that could do that. Now in an S10 it will still get high teens in town and mid 20's on the highway, with well over 100 horse over a 5.0. The only problem you are going to run into is you'll need custom motor mounts and you might have to use a truck oil pan. But with custom applications that is the way it goes.

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BS.....i highly doubt there is manufactures that make wiring harness for the LS1 to be put into a Ranger....hell a 5.0 swap is the most popular swap to a Ranger and no manufacture makes a wiring harness for it.....

also, you are comparing oranges to apples when you compare a 5.0 to a LS1 (5.7).......you gotta compare apples to apples.....the LS1 is a larger displacement engine so of course it will make 100 more HP.....stroke the 5.0 out to a 347 (which is only like a 5.4 i believe) and see how comparable the HP numbers are.....
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a 302 gas milage in an Explorer vs. 302 gas milage in a Ranger is 2 different ball parks....i would bet it would be more fuel efficant in a Ranger than an Explorer......

in a streetable/daily driver truck a LS1 is not a practical option....where a 5.0/302 is....

not just will you have MAJOR wiring problems with the LS1 (becuase there will be NO computer that will be compatable with any of the Rangers wiring), but you will have a hell of a time mounting the engine in the bay......

I just don't like crossing over with engines.....if i see an old car that i like at first glance and it has a different manufactures engine in it, i don't like it anymore.....plane and simple.......

it is kinda like a hot woman with an ugly face....
only problem is I dont think this truck is going to be a driver/streetable truck i think its just going for pure trail rig.
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BS.....i highly doubt there is manufactures that make wiring harness for the LS1 to be put into a Ranger....hell a 5.0 swap is the most popular swap to a Ranger and no manufacture makes a wiring harness for it.....

also, you are comparing oranges to apples when you compare a 5.0 to a LS1 (5.7).......you gotta compare apples to apples.....the LS1 is a larger displacement engine so of course it will make 100 more HP.....stroke the 5.0 out to a 347 (which is only like a 5.4 i believe) and see how comparable the HP numbers are.....
They make universal wiring kits for the LS1 since so many people swap them into other things. As far as stroking a 5.0, you could do it, but I have a feeling that you would loose some of its streetability since stroking it will also require a hotter cam (amongst other things). A 5.7 liter is a 350 so if you stroked a 5.0 to a 347, I would assume that it would be 5.7 liters as well (maybe 5.6xxx). They do get great fuel economy with the 6 speed, I know my trans am got 30mpg on a 140 mile trip cruising at 85 with the t-tops off and windows down. I do have to agree with John in the fact that it would be easier to get headers on a 350 since the overall size (width) of the block is smaller leaving more room between the wheel wells. Its all personal preference really. Another thing to consider is cost, I don't know what it would cost new motor to new motor to do a swap with all associated hardware....
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what John is saying, is that the LS1 come factory like that. you would have to bore out the 302 to get close. So add that cost or lack there of to reasons why the LS1 would be a better swap all around
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Maurice, I have to say your pretty open minded.
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^^^Now don't go down that road Mark, we're just having a friendly debate here...
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what John is saying, is that the LS1 come factory like that. you would have to bore out the 302 to get close. So add that cost or lack there of to reasons why the LS1 would be a better swap all around
it all goes back to comparing 2 not even close engines.....now if we were comparing a 351 to a LS1 (350), then it would be ok, but come on guys you all are not that dumb that you think a 302 (5.0) and a LS1 (350/5.7) are even in the same category engine wise.......please use your head a bit here.....

if you want to compare 302's then compare the Ford 302 and the Chevy 302.........<<--next someone will say Chevy never made a 302
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They are in the same category of Easily obtainable and relative price and abiltiy to fit in the bay. that's why these specific options were given. Otherwise jason could have made a poll between a Cummins Diesel and a Bugati Veyron power plant engine.

on a comparison level of relative price, ease and cost of obtaining the engine, size ( ability to fit under the hood without major firewall or fender mods) and then ease of install, the pros of the LS1 outweigh the pros of the ford 302

Check out Painless wiring harness for the LS1. It's what all the guys like Coddington and Foose use. I have to imagine that it will make stuff easier to transpose.
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if you want to compare 302's then compare the Ford 302 and the Chevy 302.........<<--next someone will say Chevy never made a 302
Back in the 60's they made a 302, but in modern times (80's~90's) it was a 305. I had to....lol.

EDIT: If we did talk 302 vs. 305, then yeah 302 all the way. Of course, the 350 and the 305 had the same block, so in theory, making it a 350 wouldn't be hard at all...
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^^^Now don't go down that road Mark, we're just having a friendly debate here...
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on a comparison level of relative price, ease and cost of obtaining the engine, size ( ability to fit under the hood without major firewall or fender mods) and then ease of install, the pros of the LS1 outweigh the pros of the ford 302
man i hope your kidding.....

lets see here.......
302:
- cheap easy to find in a junk yard
- very little modification to fit and bolt in
- not a lot of wiring (get a complete Explorer wiring harness to make it easier)
- could be done in a couple weekends,
- stock HP out of a 1999 Explorer 4.9L v8 is 215 (http://www.explorerforum.com/ntrprize/spec1999.htm)
- stock TQ out of a 1999 Explorer 4.9L v8 is 288 ft./# (http://www.explorerforum.com/ntrprize/spec1999.htm)
- stock 1999 Explorer 0-60mph time = 8.8 seconds
- range anywhere from $4,000 to $6,000 for a crate engine (345-360HP)


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- expensive and hard to find in a junk yard
- extensive modification to fit and bolt in
- a lot of custom wiring
- would take forever
- almost 400HP
- stock HP out of a F Body is 320 @ 5800 RPM (http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php)
- stock TQ out of a F Body is 340 @ 4000 RPM (http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php)
- stock 1998 Chevy Camaro Z28 0-60 time = 5.2 seconds (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html)
- range anywhere from $4,500 to $12,000 for a crate engine (410-450HP with being stroked out to 6.0L) (http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...4294755930+115)


by those 0-60mph times, looks like for the extra weight the Explorer has, it isn't bad......


BTW: a LS1 is only 346ci.....and a 5.0 is really a 4.9L
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Back in the 60's they made a 302, but in modern times (80's~90's) it was a 305. I had to....lol.

EDIT: If we did talk 302 vs. 305, then yeah 302 all the way. Of course, the 350 and the 305 had the same block, so in theory, making it a 350 wouldn't be hard at all...
yes they did....they made them for the road races......

kinda like how the 350 can be made into the 355 VERY easy...

if you want to compare a 350 Chevy to a Ford engine, you need to compare it to a 351 Ford.....and you can choose between a big or small block 350/351 to compare....
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Street and performance will take any car's wiring harness and wire it into an LSx Engine, or a Bicycle motor. People use LS1's in off road and on road jeeps all the time. Why? Light weight, and powerful. Reliable and easy to fit into tight palces. If you look at bobs thread the 5.0 had to be crammed into a ranger engine bay so tight that the exhaust system is choked down like trying to fart through a straw. Not to mention when you are don you still have a motor that is marginaly more powerful than a 4.0 SOHC. So what's the point? Ford to date hasn't made an engine that is even close to a LSx engine, and they've made no secret that they never intend to. Which is just plain too bad. So if you want the ultimate street or off road vehicle and you aren't blinded by brand loyalty the LSx is the way to go.

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Street and performance will take any car's wiring harness and wire it into an LSx Engine, or a Bicycle motor. People use LS1's in off road and on road jeeps all the time. Why? Light weight, and powerful. Reliable and easy to fit into tight palces. If you look at bobs thread the 5.0 had to be crammed into a ranger engine bay so tight that the exhaust system is choked down like trying to fart through a straw. Not to mention when you are don you still have a motor that is marginaly more powerful than a 4.0 SOHC. So what's the point? Ford to date hasn't made an engine that is even close to a LSx engine, and they've made no secret that they never intend to. Which is just plain too bad. So if you want the ultimate street or off road vehicle and you aren't blinded by brand loyalty the LSx is the way to go.

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