Oil Drain Valves?
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I had thought about using one but
1. It's easy enough to unscrew the plug
2. I haven't had full confidence in them not dumping the oil out on the highway or the trails. It may be fine, I just have to think is it worth saving 10 seconds on an oil change for that worry? I'd be looking under the truck 5 times a day.
1. It's easy enough to unscrew the plug
2. I haven't had full confidence in them not dumping the oil out on the highway or the trails. It may be fine, I just have to think is it worth saving 10 seconds on an oil change for that worry? I'd be looking under the truck 5 times a day.
#5
I have a Fram Sure Drain and love it. I got it because a dealer tightened the **** out of the drain plug damaging some of the threads in the pan. I tried getting a new OEM plug, but the damaged threads in the pan messed it up too, so I got the Sure Drain. With the Sure Drain, no additional damage is being done. I have had it for probably a year and so far it has not leaked or anything. Oil drains slower because the opening is smaller, but it's less messy because you can control the stream of oil. Even without damaged threads it is a nice thing to have.
#6
Originally Posted by graniteguy
2. I haven't had full confidence in them not dumping the oil out on the highway or the trails. It may be fine, I just have to think is it worth saving 10 seconds on an oil change for that worry? I'd be looking under the truck 5 times a day.
Like I said, I have had mine for a year and it doesn't leak a drop of oil.
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Originally Posted by graniteguy
2. I haven't had full confidence in them not dumping the oil out on the highway or the trails. It may be fine, I just have to think is it worth saving 10 seconds on an oil change for that worry? I'd be looking under the truck 5 times a day.
#9
Originally Posted by pacodiablo
Chances of that happening are slim to none. The end cap on the Fram is sealed with a gasket, so even if the valve were to leak (highly unlikely), the oil would not be able to leak past the end cap.
Like I said, I have had mine for a year and it doesn't leak a drop of oil.
Like I said, I have had mine for a year and it doesn't leak a drop of oil.
#10
While all the people that have tried the Fram unit have good things to say about the item.... I am not much of a gambling man and feel that while this item does make oil changes easier.... You actually only save the plug removal and installation time, but then lose the time you saved by a slower drain time due to the smaller drain hole.
I feel like I am gambling whether the valve or cap will fail. I am going to play it safe !!
Save the gambling for Las Vegas, Atlantic City or Monte Carlo...
OR 4x4
I feel like I am gambling whether the valve or cap will fail. I am going to play it safe !!
Save the gambling for Las Vegas, Atlantic City or Monte Carlo...
OR 4x4
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Gotta put my $.02 in...
I've had the SureDrain for three years on my 4.0, and no problems. I will conceed that the entire plug sticks further down from the oil pan the the stock plug. If you shear off the plug assembly, I'd say you have bigger problems that that anyway. You also lose the magnet. It also drains a lot slower too, so it helps to do the oil change with a hot engine so the oil runs faster. Besides, it gives me time to load up a Skoal.
Like Rand does with his, I just stick the end of the tube into an empty milk bottle and let it run. Gotta shut the flow off to change to and empty bottle once the first one fills up.
Here's where it gets fun... I used a PermaCool remote oil fiter kit that I ordered from Summit Racing to relocate the oil filter. The filter is now on the outside of the passenger side frame rail. It's tucked up far enough that it won't get damaged. The oil filter is mounted horiziontally, so when I unscrew it there is no oil to run down my arm as with the filter screwed to the engine block. I just set a milk jug with a funnel under the oil filter before I unscrew it.
I made these changes because I was tired of the mess from the original setup. I'm rather pleased with it. I have nothing to clean up except the funnel, and nothing winds up on the garage floor.
With most oil fiter relocation kits, the required filter is the same size as the Fram PH-8A (I run the Motorcraft FL-1A). This is a larger filter that what fits the block, and with the volume inside the tubing (it takes about three feet in each direction) I run an extra quart of oil. That's probably too much, but I'd rather have a little too much, than too little.
I deviated a bit off topic, but the mess comes from the oil fiter, not the drain. If you want to keep it clean, this is the way to go!
I've had the SureDrain for three years on my 4.0, and no problems. I will conceed that the entire plug sticks further down from the oil pan the the stock plug. If you shear off the plug assembly, I'd say you have bigger problems that that anyway. You also lose the magnet. It also drains a lot slower too, so it helps to do the oil change with a hot engine so the oil runs faster. Besides, it gives me time to load up a Skoal.
Like Rand does with his, I just stick the end of the tube into an empty milk bottle and let it run. Gotta shut the flow off to change to and empty bottle once the first one fills up.
Here's where it gets fun... I used a PermaCool remote oil fiter kit that I ordered from Summit Racing to relocate the oil filter. The filter is now on the outside of the passenger side frame rail. It's tucked up far enough that it won't get damaged. The oil filter is mounted horiziontally, so when I unscrew it there is no oil to run down my arm as with the filter screwed to the engine block. I just set a milk jug with a funnel under the oil filter before I unscrew it.
I made these changes because I was tired of the mess from the original setup. I'm rather pleased with it. I have nothing to clean up except the funnel, and nothing winds up on the garage floor.
With most oil fiter relocation kits, the required filter is the same size as the Fram PH-8A (I run the Motorcraft FL-1A). This is a larger filter that what fits the block, and with the volume inside the tubing (it takes about three feet in each direction) I run an extra quart of oil. That's probably too much, but I'd rather have a little too much, than too little.
I deviated a bit off topic, but the mess comes from the oil fiter, not the drain. If you want to keep it clean, this is the way to go!
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Well since we are talking about filters now..
I take a 2 liter bottle. Cut the top off about 2/3 away from bottom.
Then you loosen the filter to where it almost starts dripping.
Slide the cut bottle completely over the filter.. then loosen until it falls into the
bottle.(if you arent careful it will splash)
Continue holding the 2 liter there for about 15-20sec to get all the drips.
And voila.. Last oil change I got 1 drop of oil total.
Also you can then drain the filter and 2liter mostly into a funnel in the
old 5qt bottle. Toss it then when I get 2-3 5qt bottles I take them to
autozone or advance auto parts for free disposal.
Rand
I take a 2 liter bottle. Cut the top off about 2/3 away from bottom.
Then you loosen the filter to where it almost starts dripping.
Slide the cut bottle completely over the filter.. then loosen until it falls into the
bottle.(if you arent careful it will splash)
Continue holding the 2 liter there for about 15-20sec to get all the drips.
And voila.. Last oil change I got 1 drop of oil total.
Also you can then drain the filter and 2liter mostly into a funnel in the
old 5qt bottle. Toss it then when I get 2-3 5qt bottles I take them to
autozone or advance auto parts for free disposal.
Rand
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Originally Posted by Rand
Well since we are talking about filters now..
I take a 2 liter bottle. Cut the top off about 2/3 away from bottom.
Then you loosen the filter to where it almost starts dripping.
Slide the cut bottle completely over the filter.. then loosen until it falls into the
bottle.(if you arent careful it will splash)
Continue holding the 2 liter there for about 15-20sec to get all the drips.
And voila.. Last oil change I got 1 drop of oil total.
Also you can then drain the filter and 2liter mostly into a funnel in the
old 5qt bottle. Toss it then when I get 2-3 5qt bottles I take them to
autozone or advance auto parts for free disposal.
Rand
I take a 2 liter bottle. Cut the top off about 2/3 away from bottom.
Then you loosen the filter to where it almost starts dripping.
Slide the cut bottle completely over the filter.. then loosen until it falls into the
bottle.(if you arent careful it will splash)
Continue holding the 2 liter there for about 15-20sec to get all the drips.
And voila.. Last oil change I got 1 drop of oil total.
Also you can then drain the filter and 2liter mostly into a funnel in the
old 5qt bottle. Toss it then when I get 2-3 5qt bottles I take them to
autozone or advance auto parts for free disposal.
Rand
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eh, I dunno why they put the filers on the way they do, in my opinion its just a big headache for everyon, in my 4 cylinder car, the filter was upside down, so all the oil drained back into the engine, made removing it a piece of cake, i could also reach it from the top wich helped ALOT.
now on the ranger, I have often thounght about taking an awl and poking a hole in the old filter to drain the oil from it, however the fear of damaging the block has prevented me from doing this.
now on the ranger, I have often thounght about taking an awl and poking a hole in the old filter to drain the oil from it, however the fear of damaging the block has prevented me from doing this.
#23
Originally Posted by Roach2004
I was thinking about getting one of those oil filter relocators.
PM me if you want some pics. I'm due for my next oil change in 1000 miles, so I can get whole setup shot.