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Shifting without the clutch?

Just wondering if anybody does that, especially on a daily basis
and any tips?
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Why?
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yep every night, all night, all 10 gears
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you will wear the hell out of your syncros...dont do it
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Yes it can be done, all the time no way but get the RPMs leveled out and move the shifter, not for the faint of heart when doing this in a Ranger...
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yea, go ahead and do it, just have plenty of syncos, cause you'll break a few.
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yep every night, all night, all 10 gears
Tired of double clutching?
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If you're good enough, you can do it all ya want. I'll do it on occasion in my F350, although that's by accident/habit.

Swap in a 10-spd and you don't have to worry as much about wearing or breaking gear teeth.

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Tired of double clutching?
I find its just easier to shift without the clutch than double clutching our Macks. If you drive them enough and know the RPM splits its real simple.
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Tips:
Don't grab the lever with your fist. Just use your finger tips. That way if you miss a gear it will just bounce out or more correctly it won't go in. Never force it. Ever.

Don't hurry the shift.

Even Pro's use the clutch occasionally - the difference is they don't think about it cause their foot knows when to use it.

You'll have to nurse the throttle same time and learn how to hold it steady or up/down the rpms just a few.

You gotta know your splits.

You'll just about have to learn to shift by the sound of the engine.

Tight new boxes don't shift good w/o the clutch even if you are a pro.

Worn older ones do better - much better.

Realize there may be a certain gear you personally cannot hit. For example I never could hit direct drive in a main box w/o a clutch. My friend had no trouble with direct but couldn't hit 3rd on a 5 speed or 7th on a 13 speed w/o the clutch.

Learn all that happy horsecrap and it should shift smoooooth as a hydramatic 10-4.

My '79 Toyota has 217k on the original clutch/transmission. '73 Datsoon about the same.
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I find its just easier to shift without the clutch than double clutching our Macks. If you drive them enough and know the RPM splits its real simple.
I've never even tried floating the gears.
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i can do it in both my truck and my car. the truck is a lot easier, but has less miles on it. i don't do it all the time, mostly it just happens, but i can do it on command.
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Yep. Just have to match the revs to the gears. I occasionally up shift and down shift my car w/o the clutch. Not in a while though. The ranger is auto and sold the last manual truck I had back in '05.
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I used to be able to do it in 2 to 3 perfect in my 93 Ranger but couldnt do any other gears. Friends Miata he can do 1 to 2 But no other gears
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Just like other ones said: Sync the revs and do it ! its a matter of practice, I do it just when Im cruising without any hurry like sundays.

Mine is Manual 5speed 4 cyl. but Ive done this with a lot of compact pickups (Nissan D21, Chevy S-10)
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Since I started messing with my idle air control valve I can upshift all 5 gears but can't down shift them, whereas before I could upshift 3-4 and 4-5 and down shift them all with out the clutch. But on the 13 speed in the Dodge graintruck I never touch the clutch except to start and stop.
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Tips:
Don't grab the lever with your fist. Just use your finger tips. That way if you miss a gear it will just bounce out or more correctly it won't go in. Never force it. Ever.

Don't hurry the shift.

Even Pro's use the clutch occasionally - the difference is they don't think about it cause their foot knows when to use it.

You'll have to nurse the throttle same time and learn how to hold it steady or up/down the rpms just a few.

You gotta know your splits.

You'll just about have to learn to shift by the sound of the engine.

Tight new boxes don't shift good w/o the clutch even if you are a pro.

Worn older ones do better - much better.

Realize there may be a certain gear you personally cannot hit. For example I never could hit direct drive in a main box w/o a clutch. My friend had no trouble with direct but couldn't hit 3rd on a 5 speed or 7th on a 13 speed w/o the clutch.

Learn all that happy horsecrap and it should shift smoooooth as a hydramatic 10-4.

My '79 Toyota has 217k on the original clutch/transmission. '73 Datsoon about the same.
This guy knows what he is talking about.
it took me a while to learn this in a 9 speed eaton fuller transmission .
Something else ive learned is that when your down shifting take it out of gear and hold it to the next below gear and speed the engine up til you can put it in that gear with two fingers. NEVER jam,slam or jerk the transmission its more of a steady move. hope this helps. this also works with a 13 speed and pretty sure any transmission.
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Tired of double clutching?
yep, i cant even think how much i upshift & downshift all night its just shift without the clutch its like a natural thing when you drive big truck, i tried teaching my lil cousin how to do it but..... you gota just know ur rpm's & speed of the vehicle to get it rite. if i think about it i cant do it
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yep, i cant even think how much i upshift & downshift all night its just shift without the clutch its like a natural thing when you drive big truck, i tried teaching my lil cousin how to do it but..... you gota just know ur rpm's & speed of the vehicle to get it rite. if i think about it i cant do it
I hear ya, i've just never tried it. Double clutching is easy enough for me.
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My all time favorite is the Spicer 6-speed main box.

3rd to 4th you have to just barely flick your elbow or it will go into 6th instead - really puts out the fire.

Best of all its only 100 rpm between 5th and 6th (both are overdrives). That's really fun. Just wiggle your toes and pull/push it thru.
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Tips:
Don't grab the lever with your fist. Just use your finger tips. That way if you miss a gear it will just bounce out or more correctly it won't go in. Never force it. Ever.

Don't hurry the shift.

Even Pro's use the clutch occasionally - the difference is they don't think about it cause their foot knows when to use it.

You'll have to nurse the throttle same time and learn how to hold it steady or up/down the rpms just a few.

You gotta know your splits.

You'll just about have to learn to shift by the sound of the engine.

Tight new boxes don't shift good w/o the clutch even if you are a pro.

Worn older ones do better - much better.

Realize there may be a certain gear you personally cannot hit. For example I never could hit direct drive in a main box w/o a clutch. My friend had no trouble with direct but couldn't hit 3rd on a 5 speed or 7th on a 13 speed w/o the clutch.

Learn all that happy horsecrap and it should shift smoooooth as a hydramatic 10-4.

My '79 Toyota has 217k on the original clutch/transmission. '73 Datsoon about the same.
This sounds like good advice, i will probably get some more miles on the transmission before shifting clutchless all the time.
I wish my truck came with a 6th speed and a higher ratio axle
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