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Gauge Cluster - Separating Tach from the rest.

Is there a Gauge Cluster that I can install in my '03 (plug-in) that only has the Speed-O in the middle ?
Maybe it would have round gauges on the side too ?

Reason: I want a separate aftermarket Tach mounted on the left of the dash by the post.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
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you can get one from an older ranger that doesn't have a tach
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I think I have read somewhere that they are direct connects, not rewiring; is this true ?
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Anyone have input on this ?
What has to be done to make a ’96 Gauge cluster work in an ’03 EDGE ?
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should be plug and play
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That would be great !
Then get a S/S Face with RED Characters ($$ - need to wait)
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Hey just thought of something, (a little slow).

Will it matter if the Gauge Cluster comes out of a 4x2 or a 4x4; is there a difference ?

Any indicators not there in the 4x2 cluster vs the 4x4 ?

any indicator difference between the earlier ones and the 03 ?

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Anyone has any insight on this ?

Do I need a 4x4 cluster ?

Do a 2000 cluster have all of the indicator lights as the 03 would have ?

Please I am pending a buy and need input.

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The black clusters that I've seen are all the same, 4x4 or 4x2. The cutouts for the 4x4 lights show up more on a light background so Rangers with white or silver clusters should have a different version depending on whether the donor was 4x4 or 4x2.
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The black clusters that I've seen are all the same, 4x4 or 4x2. The cutouts for the 4x4 lights show up more on a light background so Rangers with white or silver clusters should have a different version depending on whether the donor was 4x4 or 4x2.
Thanks for the reply but to tell you the truth I am confused.
I can get a Gauge Cluster out of a 2000 but I do not yet know if it i a 2x or a 4x; the odometer has 3465 miles so it should be in good shape; there will be no over-lays.
What you are telling me is the actual cluster is the same but the indicator lights that I am talking about are on the outer edge ?
So can I take the speed-o and gauges out of the 2000 and put them in my 2003 ?
Am I making more out of this than need be ?
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Will it matter if the Gauge Cluster comes out of a 4x2 or a 4x4; is there a difference ?
I just looked at the 2000 owner's manual and it looks like the cluster without a tach has no 4x4 lights at all. So maybe having 4x4 required also having a tach in 2000. I'm not sure if it has always been that way.

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Do a 2000 cluster have all of the indicator lights as the 03 would have ?
Clusters without tach don't have the "check gage" light so there is no way to display a low fuel reminder.
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Low fuel is not a problem, my concern is with the other indicator.
4x4, speed cntrl, that type of stuff.
I don’t think I even look at the speed cntrl when it is locked in but.

So do you think the 2000 gauge will work OK even though the indicator are not there; will the computer be looking for something that isn’t there ?

Will there be pins available so LEDs can be added ?

sorry for all of the questions.

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the indicator isn't there because they made the overlay different, nothing to do with the electrical.
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Anyone ever take a gauge cluster apart and interchange parts ?
I wonder if I can use the Speed-O (w/o tach) from the 2000, in the 2003 (w/tach) ?

I am stating to confuse myself, I need a brake , more coffee, too many brews last night watching the Pats game; which we won 31 to 14.

Time to start spending and taking things apart.

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Low fuel is not a problem, my concern is with the other indicator.
4x4, speed cntrl, that type of stuff.
I don’t think I even look at the speed cntrl when it is locked in but.

So do you think the 2000 gauge will work OK even though the indicator are not there; will the computer be looking for something that isn’t there ?

Will there be pins available so LEDs can be added ?

sorry for all of the questions.

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4x4 lights are not shown in the O/M for the tachless 2000 cluster. This is just a bulb thing so it shouldn't affect anything else. Using added LEDS for 4x4 and 4Low should be possible using keyed power and the 2 switched grounds in the cluster harness.

The 2000 connector pinout for tach and tachless clusters looks the same as 2003 except:

1) The inertial switch reset wire in 2000 has been replaced by a fuel cap off wire in 2003. This shouldn't matter for the 2000 tachless cluster since it has neither anyway.

2) The Theft LED has switched power in 2000 but switched ground in 2003. So, chances are that it would no longer work.
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4x4 lights are not shown in the O/M for the tachless 2000 cluster. This is just a bulb thing so it shouldn't affect anything else. Using added LEDS for 4x4 and 4Low should be possible using keyed power and the 2 switched grounds in the cluster harness.
Wow, this is good, I think.
I am going to go further with the questions if it isn’t too much of an inconvenience.
Can I just take the Speed_O from the 2000 (w/o t) and put it in the 2003 (w / t) ?

[QUOTE=rwenzing;1533743]The 2000 connector pinout for tach and tachless clusters looks the same as 2003 except:

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1) The inertial switch reset wire in 2000 has been replaced by a fuel cap off wire in 2003. This shouldn't matter for the 2000 tachless cluster since it has neither anyway.
What does the Fuel Cap Off Wire do in the 2003 ?
Anything I need to be concerned about ?

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2) The Theft LED has switched power in 2000 but switched ground in 2003. So, chances are that it would no longer work.
Does it have the same pin out, if so do I need to do anything ?
also, can I lift the 2003 Theft wire(s) and add an LED there too ?

Sorry for all of the questions but I want a gauge cluster without a tach and there appears to be no way to get it in my 2003.

One last one, do you work for Ford, you appear to have a lot of info ?
Ok one more, if you do how about a p/n for a Gauge Cluster for 2003 4x4, 5sp w/o tach, is that even possible ?

thanks so much man,
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The Fuel Cap Off light allows the PCM to alert you to a possible loose or missing fuel cap before setting an OBDII trouble code for a vapor leak from the fuel tank/canister system. This is much more important to Ford than it is to you because it could prevent a very expensive and unnecessary recall caused by nothing more than collective driver error.

The 2003 Theft LED works electrically opposite to how it did in 2000. If you want it to work with a 2000 cluster in a 2003, I'm sure that there is a way to do it but it won't be plug and play.

That part number won't exist because all 2001+ Ranger clusters have tachometers as standard equipment.

I don't work at Ford but I do have a stack of Ford Wiring Manuals from eBay. I have couple of used dealer shop manuals, too - one for my 03 Ranger and one for my swapped Explorer engine and parts.
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OK thanks,

I am going to buy the low mileage cluster.
I don’t have the time to look for one and can’t seems to come up with one in the JY so I will have to buy it this way.

I was checking out the gauge cluster in my truck this evening and as the indicator go is as follows:

4x4 Indicator, don’t need it on the cluster so maybe find a way to add it by the switch.

Cruise Control Indicator - I never look at it when and if using the Cruise Control so maybe either forget it or make a new location for it.

The Theft Light - I would like to keep this but will have to locate the wiring and add it some where.

So i have three or four LEDs to add and I believe all the rest should work OK.

I will try it first as a direct plug and play and see what happens then attempt to locate the necessary wiring to add the LED.

Thanks to all for the info and I will let you know when and if it is successful.

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Keep us updated on the progress. This would also make a great "How-To". Just remember to take lots of step by step pics.
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Found an ’00 Ranger Gauge Cluster with only 3500 miles on it, wonder if that is 103500 ???? ha ha.

The pics look good and the guy said I could return it if it wasn’t exactly like I want.

The next step is as FX4Wannbe01 has stated install the ’00 cluster w/o tach in place of the ’03 Cluster with the tach and see what works and what doesn’t.
From there I am planning to add a few LED for indicators that may not be in this cluster.
I got an ’03Ranger Wiring Book, suppose to be a Ford Tech Version, time will tell, and I will see if I can find the wires needed for 4x4 indicator and the Cruise indicator then add LEDs.

Waiting for the ’00 cluster to arrive and then some testing, Color changing and maybe some LED lighting too.
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Found an ’00 Ranger Gauge Cluster with only 3500 miles on it, wonder if that is 103500 ???? ha ha.
The odo can register up to 999,999 so it would show if over 100,000. I do agree that it seems kind of odd to find a 10 year old cluster with such low indicated miles.
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The odo can register up to 999,999 so it would show if over 100,000. I do agree that it seems kind of odd to find a 10 year old cluster with such low indicated miles.
Yup, not sure why, didn’t ask, i hope it is in as good shape as it looks in the pic.

The wiring book is another story, it is red and says Ford Motor Company on the cover so I am hoping it’s good and covers what I need. I will look for a Ford number once I get it and see; main thing is if I can use it.
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The factory Wiring Manual is an excellent resource and is the exact manual used at Ford dealer service departments across the country. It covers every electrical component, connector and wire in the vehicle. There is a individual manual for each Ford model and year and red is the correct color for 2003.
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Price was right so i gave it a shot. it has shipped already so maybe it will be here Friday.

Here’s hoping it is a keeper but since I do not have anything, it has to help.

Thanks for all of the assist so far, I will probably be back for more when the actual install starts.
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I posted this in another thread but I got to thinking it should be here.

I got the new cluster, the ’00 without the tach, and now I want to re-color the characters/numbers.

The needles will have to be removed and in reading threads have read where you need to re-cal the speed-o before removing the needles; this seems a little more work than it should be ?

Anyone re-panit by just removing the needles, cold, and then replacing in the “0” position ?

When the needles were re-installed, were they in the correct position ?
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