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So I bought this 2008 Grille for my 05 Edge off an old man the other day, and we got to talking and he shows me this contraption that he built that basically is an HHO or Hydrogen Oxygen injection system which basically increases gas mileage by 20-35 percent. The design is really easy from what I understand. Basically my question here is if anyone has done one of these systems on their Ranger, and if not then I think I'll do a "project thread" in case anyone else wants to do it! Let me know guys, if you have questions, input, or any information you want to share. I'm going to start it this week and hopefully have it done by the fourth or so! Everything it takes are all items from home depot and walmart.
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In order for these systems to work, electrical power is consumed. I ran the numbers a while ago and you end up loosing 20% of your energy put out (through the power used in electrolosis and then the (power) output of hydrogen). If i havent lost you already, there are 2 factors that i did not take into account. They are the (increased) rate of burn of hydrogen (ie higher cylinder pressures) and what pure oxygen would add to the (completeness and btu output of the) burn. Remember, at sea level, your engine is taking in ~21% oxygen (making the fuel to air ratio different). A cutting torch uses pure oxy. and that is to hot of a flame for an engine to handle. My suggestion for you is to buy a cheap (old) test vehicle. Run it to work for a couple hundred miles and monitor milage. Then mess around w/ the hydrogen generator. WIth the "old vehicle" you can play around w/ a lot of the factors (ie a distributors timing and a carberator's jets). 3 reminders when messing around w/ a hydrogen generator, the rate of burn of hydrogen (extremely fast), hydrogen has a octane rating of 120 (or 110 i dont remember which). and pure oxygen makes things burn very hot (so does hydrogen). Oh and document your results (increase of milage ignition timing ect..) and share them w/ everyone
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i'm currently building a system right now and have started prepping it for my ranger. there is like you say a power consumption but theoretically the output is more. i've read up on it and although oxygen does burn hotter most of the gas is Hydrogen which from what i've read will not harm your engine. there are many factors that go into making your cell like how many plates, what voltage your running at and also what salt you use in your water. there are wet cells and dry cells, dry cells are the newest and most efficient. i'm behind the curve so i made a wet cell for my first one.
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LOL i love these threads. They are for people who are easily confused by science.
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Have fun burning pistons left and right
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you all are very supportive..... and ya i guess i will have fun burning my pistons? is that something you have experienced or have proof of? because i have a friend that ran his in a civic for the past 2 years no problem.
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Increased oxygen will increase cylinder temps and you'll probably melt something
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the rate at which you are putting in more oxygen and hydrogen in your engine is not enough to melt the blow or pistons.... not running nos through it.
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you all are very supportive..... and ya i guess i will have fun burning my pistons? is that something you have experienced or have proof of? because i have a friend that ran his in a civic for the past 2 years no problem.

I'm very supportive of you in your valiant effords to increase your fuel efficiency. The fact that you, with your (possible college level education), are able to design a way to simply increase your efficiency by 20-30%, while Ford, GM, Dodge, Daimler Chrysler, Suburu, Toyota, Nissan, well, every other large vehicle manufacturer with large amounts of ivy league scientists, are unable to grasp such a simple concept to give themselves a major lead over any other vehicle manufacturer. They surely have not tried to recreate what you are doing but with much more research dollars, and failed.

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if you know anything about history you would know that it repeats itself. thousand of inventions have been created that people thought wouldn't work or the mainstream thought as crazy. ever hear of Tesla and what he did back 100 years ago that we are just rediscovering now and this was because people who were interested in money made it seem as if it did not work. All i'm trying to say is this person posted and was curious to know about the technology. I was just trying to inform him of my own experiments, i have my doubts too, but i decided to put it to the test for myself, so your discrediting something you havn't even tried for yourself and too which you have no proof that it doesn't work. I am simply putting the technology to the test and presenting my findings, if your not interested in the subject then just leave it be.
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I'm very supportive of you in your valiant effords to increase your fuel efficiency. The fact that you, with your (possible college level education), are able to design a way to simply increase your efficiency by 20-30%, while Ford, GM, Dodge, Daimler Chrysler, Suburu, Toyota, Nissan, well, every other large vehicle manufacturer with large amounts of ivy league scientists, are unable to grasp such a simple concept to give themselves a major lead over any other vehicle manufacturer. They surely have not tried to recreate what you are doing but with much more research dollars, and failed.

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many people have built electric cars too and they cant.i saw the ford ranger they built it sucked.they threw the batterys in the bed.other people mounted them underneath were the gas tank was.why didnt ford think of that.
i built one of these when i was 12. yes they work your alt is making more power all the time.it gets wasted
the oil companys are fooling you.gas was 1.30 then jumped to 2.00 now 3.75 + why? i bought a box for the back to put mine in because i couldnt find room in the engine.you need some safety devices too.there was tons of stuff on youtube but they deleted the good ones.why would they care if it didnt work to delete the ones that were more successful.i am in pittsburgh pa and looking for other people that want to do this.i have a system that no one else has.
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ultimately i would like a cell in the bed that would a pressurized cell with pulse technology, and a deep cell battery. something like what this guy did
. and i thought it was weird all the videos got deleted too.... i didn't wanna sound like a crazy person and say something about it.
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many people have built electric cars too and they cant.i saw the ford ranger they built it sucked.they threw the batterys in the bed.other people mounted them underneath were the gas tank was.why didnt ford think of that.
i built one of these when i was 12. yes they work your alt is making more power all the time.it gets wasted
the oil companys are fooling you.gas was 1.30 then jumped to 2.00 now 3.75 + why? i bought a box for the back to put mine in because i couldnt find room in the engine.you need some safety devices too.there was tons of stuff on youtube but they deleted the good ones.why would they care if it didnt work to delete the ones that were more successful.i am in pittsburgh pa and looking for other people that want to do this.i have a system that no one else has.
I would love to see this system.
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I have you done the math on the volume of gas that can be created by this device vs what you need to run the engine?
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there is a write up on the explorer forum about this and if i remember corectly the guy was actually having good results with his i found the post i think

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...light=hydrogen

been wanting to do this to my ranger just havent read enough on it to try it myself would like to hear what you figure out on your ranger with it
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O.P. I am glad that you are taking a shot at this for yourself and keeping us posted about your build. For those asking why Ford or other large car companies haven't done things like this in their vehicles - the answer is all too simple; Oil companies buy out the car companies just the same as they buy the patents to the EV's and hide them away forever.
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anyone have any results we did this as a project in college but never put it on a vehicle. in theory you should increase you gas mileage. but i would like to hear from someone that actually did it and can show me how they did it
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