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Radar Jammer?

I got caught over the speed limit on my way to work a few weeks ago, and my Cobra radar detector didn't even seem to go off... or, my music was too loud. That fact doesn't matter now.
I was driving behind Neil today on our way back from Wharton and his radar went off one or two times and mine didn't. My radar detector is around 3 years old, so maybe it is somewhat obsolete and time for a new one. I know that the Valentine 1 is supposed to be top of the line and expensive to boot, so I'm looking into other alternatives. This is one that I came across. Any input if it looks like something good or like a hoax would ease my mind and help my decision loads.

http://www.radar-laser-jammers.com/RMRC450.htm
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doesnt seem too bad i guess. yea, your detector is old so its detection zone is small and the newer speed scanning equipment cops use reach farther then your scanner. plus, it may not pick up some of the newer stuff.
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they work but sometimes fail... exp. with the cheap ones. Escort makes beast stuff... I use whistler (not a jammer) and it works great. I only use it on highways since they are not allowed in VA
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easy free solution....

dont speed
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considering you have never speed before...
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easy free solution....

dont speed
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considering you have never speed before...
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ahright guys, lets NOT get into that... we all know if you don't want a speeding ticket, don't speed. I just want to know if something like this is truly fesable and worth my money.
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I think somtimes john...

because you are not going to catch all of them at first hand...
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Whatcha mean will?
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I mean the radar detector is not going to pick up everyone of them....
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they are so confident in their product, they'll pay your speeding tickets for the first year...
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its blckout, not blAckout :-P


What im trying to say is, if you are gonna worry about cops stopping you because of you speeding. the best way to avoid them, is to not speed. Simple.


yes i speed, if i get caught, then i get caught
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Not exactly worried, these days I rarely go more than 10 over, but I like the added insurance for those cases.

So would something like this be deemed illegal in the state of NJ? What I'm thinking is what if you're the only car on the road (speeding or not), they hit you with the radar and it comes back saying nothing, or whatever it does. What can happen then?
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in my experience I have gotten in less trouble not haveing a radar detector. For me a radar detector gives me a false sense of security. Its not going to pick up cops all the time. It gives no protection against a cop driving three car lengths back pacing you. A radar detector just encouraged me to speed.

Instead I have learned driving habbits that keep me under the radar.

If I am the only one on the road its less then 10 over. The rest of the time its make sure there is somebody ahead of you going faster then you. Stay out of the hammer lane. Stay in the right or middle lane on major highways with little traffic. Always look in your mirror for cops pacing you. Only put the hammer down up to 80 or high for a few seconds then back off. Never be the fastest car on the road.

But most of the time back and forth to work I am in bumper to bumper traffic. Just my $0.02

As for radar detectors go, I like Belle's set up its alot of money and is sopose to be one of the best. Belle makes a set up that mounts the scanner up front behind the grill or something like that. You can jam laser legally in most states believe it or not. The FCC wont legally allow any jammer that is going to really work good. RMR make their passive jammer I would bet they work some of the time. I personally would get the Belle setup that mounts the scanner front and back with the laser jammer lots of money but I would rather give it to Belle then the goverment.
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I got caught over the speed limit on my way to work a few weeks ago, and my Cobra radar detector didn't even seem to go off... or, my music was too loud. That fact doesn't matter now.
I was driving behind Neil today on our way back from Wharton and his radar went off one or two times and mine didn't. My radar detector is around 3 years old, so maybe it is somewhat obsolete and time for a new one. I know that the Valentine 1 is supposed to be top of the line and expensive to boot, so I'm looking into other alternatives. This is one that I came across. Any input if it looks like something good or like a hoax would ease my mind and help my decision loads.

http://www.radar-laser-jammers.com/RMRC450.htm

I have a cobra which has saved my a$$ a few times here it is on cobras website but you can find it cheaper Radar Detector
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First things first, Rocky Mountain Radar is the biggest crock of crap to hit the net. They lie like a rug and fat chance of you ever getting a dime out of them for anything.

I've yet to see a "radar jammer" that wasn't a crock of BS. There is nothing you can buy that will actively jam radar, period. You would need something transmitting on the same radio frequency to confuse the radar's receiever (like two people talking on a CB at the same time). There is no such device on the market that you can buy. If anyone did make one, the manufacturer and you the user would be fined thousands of dollars and it is a felony.

All these things they sell claiming to be "jammers" are passive jammers and are nothing but a radar detector. Period. They do not jam anything, ever. Never. They don't, they can't, and they won't.

Please understand I am not saying to because I don't want you to buy it so you get busted. I am saying this because I don't want to see you guys blow all that money on a complete pile of BS.
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To answer your question on this issue guys...

First off, I am a cop. I use Radar and Laser frequently.

Second, if you're traveling in a group of cars using a radar detector, you're usually pretty safe. If you're alone, you will be caught, and most likely made fun of by the cop. When you activate the radar unit, you can watch the speed and tell who has a radar detector and who doesn't, because when you know you're too far away for them to see you and their speed drops by 10-12 mph in 1-2 seconds... it's kind of obvious.

Next, laser detectors only detect infared light waves. This could be from any number of sources. Keep in mind though, I have gotten cars using laser at almost a mile away before...

However, these devices *do* exist. And yes, they do work. They confuse the computer inside the radar to act funny and show inaccurate speeds.

And for the final point. Any device that causes interference with another electronic device *intentionally* is, by federal law, illegal.

Yes, the FCC does monitor the usage of these devices. How they do it, I don't have a clue.

Anyways... just a few ideas to keep in mind whilst speeding.
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I just wanted to say I got a hefty fine two months ago for using K40's newest Radar/LAser jammer. This product was $2500 installed on my Ranger and guarunteed it blocked Laser as well as Radar from detecting me. Well they did but only if it was pointed where the jammer was located (right behind my lower billet grille).

It worked, until I was in front of the Laser point and the officer hit the passenger side of my truck. I got nailed with a ticket as well as a large fine and threatened to be thrown in jail. I didnt end up paying any of it though, the Mercedes dealer which installed it, and said it was "legal" flipped the bill for me to keep my mouth shut. Myfamily has updated to the K50 system with 8 detection points for all radar/laser bands....

Here's the new system:


As far as radars, I have never hear anything bad about BELtronics. All of my friends use them and swear by BEL.
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My passport 8500 picks up stuff from over 1 mile away it is badass. I got it from my brother for free because he bought a pocket rocket and had no where to put it.
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I didnt end up paying any of it though, the Mercedes dealer which installed it, and said it was "legal" flipped the bill for me to keep my mouth shut.
I see that tactic worked well for them!
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I've yet to see a working radar jammer from a "commercial manufacturer". I HAVE seen homemade ones that work, but they are devilishly difficult to tune. Screw them up and they make you look like you're going FASTER, lol.

Anyone who tells you they can reliably detect, much less jam, LASER is really selling you a crock. It's a "point source" and you'd need a sensor/emitter array that covered your entire "profile" to the officer to detect the beam.

I'd buy a really good name brand detector and forget the jammer stuff.

Jammers have basically two types: coherent (continuous wave -- "CW") and noise type.

Some really sophisticated CW jammers try to INSTANTLY ascertain the nature of the radar (and there are several types and frequencies) and return a signal that mimics the actual return signal, only significantly stronger. The signal sent back is adjusted to make your speed seem LESS than it is.

Another type of CW jammer tries to overload the front end (first receiver section) of the radar unit. This requires a lot of power and it needs to be spot on aimed at the source to be effective or it requires even MORE power.

The "noise" type is the traditional radio jammer. It emits large bursts of the radio equivalent of "white noise" to try to deafen the radar receiver. This can happen by either obscuring the returns (echo from you vehicle) information content, or again overloading the receiver. This also requires considerable output power and needs to be aimed well or it also requires even MORE power.

It's not a trivial thing to accomplish for radar and to acheive multi-system reliability (the ability to fool/jam many different radars) needs some pretty good hardware. Not likely at the prices you're looking at.

Real electronic countermeasures that are reliable are neither simple nor cheap in the "active return" type of jammer. Better you just build a chaff launcher into your vehicle front and back and take a ticket for littering instead...
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RMR sells junk.

A cheap radar detector is better than no radar detector, but none of them absolve you from the law.

The best two detectors on the market, based on my personal research, are the V1 and the Escort 8500 series.

No detector with a built in jammer jams anything. At all. The very expensive systems that mount jammers all over your car work marginally. The larger the car, the less they work. I've heard they're fairly effective on crotch rockets.

I use a cheap Cobra I bought at Sears.. it spends 90% of its time warning me about microwaves and automatic doors, but its never failed to detect the Ka band used by local sheriffs and FL state troopers. Of course, the last two times I've been pulled over, the officer quoted the pace-clock, not the radar.. fortunately one of the two didn't issue a ticket.
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plan and simple jammers almost never work....

2ndly dont rely on your detector... i drive with one because i sometimes go 15-20 over w/o even knowing it due to hills, passing someone or just not paying attention, but cops now use on/off radars that they control so dectors cannot pick it up intime because theres no signal untill the radar is on and once its on that means hes gettig your speed...(found out our police uses that yesterday wehn mine when from nothing to 5 jsut before we crested a hill)

DONT GO CHEAP IF YOUR GOING TO RELEY ON IT... get a v1 or the escort 8500...
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The larger the car, the less they work. I've heard they're fairly effective on crotch rockets.
Yes, that fits. A vehicle with such a narrow target would have to be illuminated by the radar right where the antenna is located, maximizing the returned energy from the jammer along the axis of the incoming beam.
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